Unintended Consequences Mafia: The Saga Concludes

[Kirby King]

Day 1 Vote Count
Rockin (2): Ryker, Gf2tw
Ryker (2): Fatchu, ChiboSempai
The Paprika Killer (1): KevinM
Nicholas1024 (1): Macman
Scamp (1): Bunglefever
Roxy (1): Evil Eye

Not voting: Pierre the Scarecrow, Gheb_01/Xonar, Nicholas1024, Scamp, The Paprika Killer, Roxy, Rockin

It takes 8 out of 15 votes to lynch.

The deadline is Sunday, March 14 at 11:59:59 PM ET.


Two players have requested replacement. I only have one replacement. You do the math.

 

[Purple]

KevinM is constantly getting metagamed, i don't like the idea of it.

 

[Purple]

Also, please don't use the "he/she's online" excuse as why they might be scummy. None of us want to say something that would get us lynched, therefore we might need to take time just reading and collecting our words. Don't try to force things, you might force mafia to scumtell sure, but you might force town to **** up something they edit.

 

[Rockin]

Also, please don't use the "he/she's online" excuse as why they might be scummy. None of us want to say something that would get us lynched, therefore we might need to take time just reading and collecting our words. Don't try to force things, you might force mafia to scumtell sure, but you might force town to **** up something they edit.

..........erm.....what? o.o

 

[KevinM]

Also, please don't use the "he/she's online" excuse as why they might be scummy. None of us want to say something that would get us lynched, therefore we might need to take time just reading and collecting our words. Don't try to force things, you might force mafia to scumtell sure, but you might force town to **** up something they edit.

Haha thank-you for trying to tell people to avoid meta but that will fall largely on deaf ears.

However this post is kind of odd, it seems as if you're pre-emptively trying to avoid being called out for lurking a thread.

Any particular reason? Most lynches aren't formed off of that so what would you have to be worried about.

@Scamp: How coasty are you going to be this game? Or can we expect great things from you?

@EE: I thought you weren't going to make me read novels in this game, I guess not . Your thoughts on current D1 situation, what do you think of what I've FOS'd Ryker about.

@Macman: At this stage if you had an ideal scum mate whom would that person be in this game and why. (The candidate has to be someone currently playing)

@Rockin: If the Gheb/Xonar connection ends up being that one of them is opposite the alignment of the other, whom do you think would be anti-town and your particular reason for thinking so.

@Nicholas: What do you think is the best way to utilize the weird Gheb/Xonar vote, how should they go about doing it.

 

[Rockin]

@Rockin: If the Gheb/Xonar connection ends up being that one of them is opposite the alignment of the other, whom do you think would be anti-town and your particular reason for thinking so.

Hmm. Trick question.

The game is still a bit early and I havn't seen anything big from either of the two (in terms of scum vibes). I guess I would go with Gheb for being anti-town, only cause it seems like he wants to dictate the votes.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

I've requested replacement, I feel liek I've been stretched out by playing more than 2 or so games. Sorry guys. Didn't wanna half-*** it


lol just saw Kiki's post.

 

[KevinM]

Hmm. Trick question.

The game is still a bit early and I havn't seen anything big from either of the two (in terms of scum vibes). I guess I would go with Gheb for being anti-town, only cause it seems like he wants to dictate the votes.

This isn't a trick question I want it answered.

Can you cite specific examples of this?

 

[Rockin]

This isn't a trick question I want it answered.

Can you cite specific examples of this?

I was going to say Post 128, but after another look, it didn't seem like he wasn't wanting to dictate his question at all (I read it off as Gheb talking to Xonar the first time. Guess you can say I kinda skimmed)

So in essence, I can't propertly answer this question at the moment cause neither one looked/seem scummy.

 

[Rockin]

EWOP: Vote, not question.

 

[Purple]

tournament today, not going to be able to post anything until sunday EST

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Though I question as to why Macman followed KevinM's FoS with a vote. Can you explain please?

What do you want me to explain?

@Macman: At this stage if you had an ideal scum mate whom would that person be in this game and why. (The candidate has to be someone currently playing)

Never understood why this question was ever asked. Seems so pointless and I can't think of how it would be conducive to scumhunting. I abhor playing scum and can't even think of someone I would ever want to be scum with. if I HAD to pick, it'd be someone who was widely considered good, who wouldn't get lynched early.[kevinM] Or someone who can feign townie easily with larg-y posts.[EE when he's active]. But I'd never want to ever ever be scum =/

I didn't feel like looking at the player so my 2 choices are based off of people I remember being in this game.

 

[Evil Eye]

@EE: I thought you weren't going to make me read novels in this game, I guess not . Your thoughts on current D1 situation, what do you think of what I've FOS'd Ryker about.

I wouldn't say there's much of a "current D1 situation". There're a few random dialogues going on and very few have been very illuminating. There are a lot of people in this game I have a hard time reading, so I'm trying to keep my eyes open observe as much as I can.

Since I have a vote out, I obviously have more to say there. I can't expand just yet, though.

Secondly, maybe it's because I've never played a game with Ryker, but I don't feel like there's much of anything there to pursue. I do agree that it's irksome that he pulled the ol' "stuff to say, will say later" and didn't, but I can't throw too much on that considering the fact that I have done that myself as both major allignments.

I'll speak up if my opinion changes on my next reread.

 

[Jim Morrison]

@Macman: At this stage if you had an ideal scum mate whom would that person be in this game and why. (The candidate has to be someone currently playing)

Why do you ask this question? It adds barely anything and would only give scum info on who to kill first.


Also, I too have requested replacement, mostly because this mafia is a bit out of my league. I don't get half of the post, so I go off and lurk and do something else. I think it'd be better if someone else played then .

 

[~ Gheb ~]

1) Do you agree with the fact that the discussion we are having now stemmed directly from the discussion back then?

I guess you can say that but that doesn't mean it's pro-town. You can't excuse doing something scummy by saying "hey at least it promoted discussion so it was pro-town!" - because it isn't. You like to do that a lot and it never did you any favours so cut it please.

2) Do you agree with the fact that the discussion we are having now is indisputably pro-town?

Not at all.
Also, learn the definition of the word "fact" because as far as I'm aware nothing implies that the current discussion is bound to be fruitful.

You're white-washing harmful things. You did exactly the same in Scum Wars and I think it should be about time to learn from your mistakes: This game is not about being absolutely right in any situation but that seems to be what you think. Just admit that you are wrong for once and don't argue yourself into a hole. You're not inherently scummy but the way you misconstrue things to justify every single thing you say is extremely scummy.

3) Do you hold that the person (Pierre) or the position he took that sparked said discussion back then is scummy?

Not yet.

4) Do you still hold that agreeing with above position is scummy?

What?

I guess I would go with Gheb for being anti-town, only cause it seems like he wants to dictate the votes.

Elaborate.

 

[#HBC | ZoZo]

It's hard really to step up something with potentially sticking your neck out, at tihs point i'd rather just watch a pick out things that are fishy.

Roxy, I agree that a townie should try it's best to not get lynched, but this should never go at the cost of scumhunting. At this point I'd rather have you participate in scumhunts.

KevinM is constantly getting metagamed, i don't like the idea of it.

How is he getting metagamed?

Elaborate.

stop skimming

 

[Nicholas1024]

In honor of the new Miles Edgeworth game I've just gotten around to playing (which is awesome), this post will have a little theme inserted...

I guess you can say that but that doesn't mean it's pro-town. You can't excuse doing something scummy by saying "hey at least it promoted discussion so it was pro-town!" - because it isn't. You like to do that a lot and it never did you any favours so cut it please.

You dodged the question. Let's try it again, yes/no answers, please. Besides, you said down in your answer to question 3 that you didn't find Pierre's position scummy as of now. So what's the point of your paragraph? It's either worthless (because Pierre didn't do anything scummy), or you're contradicting yourself. Which is it?

Not at all.
Also, learn the definition of the word "fact" because as far as I'm aware nothing implies that the current discussion is bound to be fruitful.

You're white-washing harmful things. You did exactly the same in Scum Wars and I think it should be about time to learn from your mistakes: This game is not about being absolutely right in any situation but that seems to be what you think. Just admit that you are wrong for once and don't argue yourself into a hole. You're not inherently scummy but the way you misconstrue things to justify every single thing you say is extremely scummy.

No, it's not about me being right, it's about pointing out the contradictions in the other guy's position. You had no problem whatsoever with what I was doing in Scum wars, and you were town there. You know what that implies about this game... (Sure, you'll call it meta-gaming, but meta-gaming is useful for picking up contradictions and telling you who to look at. You just need something more concrete to back it up with, which I'll supply below.)

I can't believe you'd dispute the fact (or the theory, if you insist, but I'd say its obvious) that this discussion is pro-town. Just about every discussion is pro-town. (Except for the obvious stuff, like rolefishing, which this discussion is obviously not). I'll give you a nice, easy example. Compare how easy it is to pinpoint scum in games with a lot of discussion (for example, Phoenix Wright mafia), to games with almost no discussion at all (TV-allstar mafia). Discussion forces mafia to take a stance on issues, and eventually backs them into a corner made out of the lies they've spouted.

Sure, nothing makes any discussion 100% sure to catch scum, but out of all the actions possible for town, it's the one with the best chance of catching scum, which makes it a pro-town thing to generate discussion.

Not yet.

I see. What would change your mind? (Short of Pierre flipping scum, as that's an obvious one.)

What?

Agreeing with Pierre's position. That is, what ChiboSempai and I did, that you called us out for. You've admitted yourself that said postion isn't scummy.

I rest my case.

@KevinM
I'm not sure quite yet, but I'm thinking about just lynching Gheb and letting Xonar using the vote on his own.

 

[KevinM]

Why do you ask this question? It adds barely anything and would only give scum info on who to kill first.


Also, I too have requested replacement, mostly because this mafia is a bit out of my league. I don't get half of the post, so I go off and lurk and do something else. I think it'd be better if someone else played then .

Or someone who can feign townie easily with larg-y posts.[EE when he's active]. But I'd never want to ever ever be scum =/

I didn't feel like looking at the player so my 2 choices are based off of people I remember being in this game.

Don't like how you guys discredited the questions so quickly.

Hey Mac, I used the same exact question in L4S and then called the connection between Xiivi and Circus.

Feigning you forgot or did you just not want to play mafia again?

 

[Scamp]

@Scamp: How coasty are you going to be this game? Or can we expect great things from you?

On a scale of Kiki to Iggy... probably somewhere in between. It really depends on how things go.


On the other hand: I will not rest until I have investigated every suspicious-looking nook and cranny.

Vote: Nick

EUREKA!!!


(These are all references to the newest game in the Phoenix Wright series, for those who don't know. It's what Nick just picture-spammed the thread up with.)

 

[#HBC | Mac]

Don't like how you guys discredited the questions so quickly.

Hey Mac, I used the same exact question in L4S and then called the connection between Xiivi and Circus.

Feigning you forgot or did you just not want to play mafia again?

Probably didn't read the game at that point. Still don't see how that question could help someone scumhunt.

 

[Deleted member]

lol, only just now spotted bungle, kevin and roxy have the same picture but recoloured.

@Scamp, do you even have a reason at all for that vote? you didn't go against nick before and you also aren't going along with someone else (or not showing it).

 

[CT Chia]

I'm having trouble following this game, I need a full re-read soon.
But yea...
I don't like Roxy

Unvote Vote Roxy

 

[Nicholas1024]

On the other hand: I will not rest until I have investigated every suspicious-looking nook and cranny.

Vote: Nick

EUREKA!!!


(These are all references to the newest game in the Phoenix Wright series, for those who don't know. It's what Nick just picture-spammed the thread up with.)

Aside from the unexplained vote on me... that is win. Anyway, what's your reasoning for the vote?

 

[Scamp]

@Scamp, do you even have a reason at all for that vote? you didn't go against nick before and you also aren't going along with someone else (or not showing it).

He's using old sprites for Edgeworth to talk about his love for a new game. This I know because he doesn't face to the left in the new game.

Thanks for your contribution for the game, by the way.

Aside from the unexplained vote on me... that is win. Anyway, what's your reasoning for the vote?

I know, right? If only real life were as fun as the Phoenix Wright games. I'd start committing crimes just to see my lawyers duke it out in court. (Or, in the case of the latest game, to follow around the investigation. Perhaps there would be a livestream.)

Anyway, let's just say my vote is to let you know IGMEOY and also to test waters.

Oh, and I didn't like your answer to Kevin's question at all.

 

[Nicholas1024]

He's using old sprites for Edgeworth to talk about his love for a new game. This I know because he doesn't face to the left in the new game.

Thanks for your contribution for the game, by the way.

Yeah, these are the sprites from the first game. The sight I use for PW sprites doesn't have the latest game yet...

I know, right? If only real life were as fun as the Phoenix Wright games. I'd start committing crimes just to see my lawyers duke it out in court. (Or, in the case of the latest game, to follow around the investigation. Perhaps there would be a livestream.)

No comment....

Anyway, let's just say my vote is to let you know IGMEOY and also to test waters.

Oh, and I didn't like your answer to Kevin's question at all.

Fair enough. My answer to KevinM's question was serious though, I haven't liked the way Gheb's been playing at all. My other suspect is Roxy, I don't really like the way how she tried to derail my questioning of Gheb.

 

[Nicholas1024]

Yeah, these are the sprites from the first game. The sight I use for PW sprites doesn't have the latest game yet...

Wow, did I just say "the sight I use"? FAIL. I mean the site, http://www.doulifee.com/Storage/aceatt/

Now back on topic.

 

[Kirby King]

Virgilijus replaces Gf2tw.

Moronik (Marshy/Ronike hydra) replaces Bunglefever.


Day 1 Vote Count
Rockin (2): Ryker, Virgilijus
Nicholas1024 (2): Macman, Scamp
Roxy (2): Evil Eye, ChiboSempai
Ryker (1): Fatchu
The Paprika Killer (1): KevinM
Scamp (1): Moronik

Not voting: Pierre the Scarecrow, Gheb_01/Xonar, Nicholas1024, The Paprika Killer, Roxy, Rockin

It takes 8 out of 15 votes to lynch.

The deadline is Sunday, March 14 at 11:59:59 PM ET.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

omg virg

and what do we have to unvote...? Whack.

unvote, vote:ryker

 

[Kirby King]

Day 1 Vote Count
Rockin (2): Ryker, Virgilijus
Roxy (2): Evil Eye, ChiboSempai
Ryker (2): Fatchu, Macman
The Paprika Killer (1): KevinM
Scamp (1): Moronik
Nicholas1024 (1): Scamp

Not voting: Pierre the Scarecrow, Gheb_01/Xonar, Nicholas1024, The Paprika Killer, Roxy, Rockin

It takes 8 out of 15 votes to lynch.

The deadline is Sunday, March 14 at 11:59:59 PM ET.

 

[Jim Morrison]

Thank you

Have fun all.

 

[Virgilijus]

All right, I'm in.

Going to read the thread after grocery shopping. Because of that, unvote: Rockin because I have no idea what's going on. Back in a bit.

 

[Moronik]

were not sk. lame

rereading...

lol european alliance

Although I agree, in the future could you please give reasoning why? Unless you're an established player like Marshy/KevinM (who have a track record of catching scum and a method to their unexplained votes), assertions without evidence won't get you anywhere. And it just frustrates the rest of us.

speak for yourself guy. dont do this scum wars ****

also why are you saying "dispute the fact". if somethings a fact how can it be disputed. i know what you mean but its annoying

virg you gonna replace out if youre scum right?

vote roxy

 

[Nicholas1024]

Ok Marshy, I'll speak only for myself this time around...

 

[Virgilijus]

Vote: Chibo

I just reread (though admit to skimming EE's giant post and Nick's post with the Phoenix Wright gifs :urg) and haven't like a single post of yours.

While other people are discussing things, whether or not they are town or scum, they are talking and getting the game going. You did parrot a little snippet of an answer in what looks like just a way to keep your activity up. You admit to not keeping up with the game, need to reread, and then vote Roxy because you "don't like Roxy".

You're playing like a leech so far. Don't like it at all.

As for the other discussions, I don't have full opinions of them yet. I do get the feeling that Macman is town, but it's just a feeling.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

I haven't even done anything yet

 

[CT Chia]

Sorry, I should have been a bit more specific.

I have been skimming this game (not just ignoring it), but I haven't had enough time yet to give it a thorough read which every player in every game should do. However, while briefly skimming the thread so I'm not completely left out of the loop, some of Roxy's post suck out to me as noteworthy, and voted accordingly. Examples of such posts include:

It's hard really to step up something with potentially sticking your neck out, at tihs point i'd rather just watch a pick out things that are fishy.

Also, please don't use the "he/she's online" excuse as why they might be scummy. None of us want to say something that would get us lynched, therefore we might need to take time just reading and collecting our words. Don't try to force things, you might force mafia to scumtell sure, but you might force town to **** up something they edit.

 

[KevinM]

Unvote
Vote Macman

Completely fine with my vote being on you because its quite clear you're NEVER going to help the town.

 

[#HBC | Mac]

how is that clear?

 

[Evil Eye]

I hope you plan to actually read my posts, Virg, because if you think that was a "giant post" you are freaking kidding yourself. That's me pointing out something interesting.

Just wait 'till I make a case.

Speaking of, tomorrow night I can tell y'all why a special someone can die real good.

 

[Evil Eye]

I hope you plan to actually read my posts, Virg, because if you think that was a "giant post" you are freaking kidding yourself. That's me pointing out something interesting.

Just wait 'till I make a case.

Speaking of, tomorrow night I can tell y'all why a special someone can die real good.