Pierre said:
So, why didn't you comment on my #55, where I elaborated on what I meant?
For the simple reason that it didn't apply to my point, where you made two posts that
could conceivably trip somebody up into revealing something (and in my mind, anything at all when unnecessary is too mucH) about their role, both of which saw a response and thus had the potential for that reveal of potentially crucial information.
Yes, in the follow-up you did say "Oh, well, I'm not even considering what specific role that you have because I don't know what role you have and I'm not interested in what role you have.", but that was after two posts poking for more elaboration about it. Anything could be a tell, even the way by which people choose to remain silent on the matter.
Two posts needling someone for information jumps out at me, even with a third one that says you didn't want specifics after the fact (and thus, after the damage could have been done). Perhaps moreso, since the third could be seen as gracefully bowing out of the conversation lest any fishing become too prominent or noticeable.
It
is obvious that their role relates, somehow, to what's going on here. In my opinion, obvious courses of discussion are not productive for the town, and obvious courses of discussion that have the potential to suck info out of possible town PR's are a straight up bad idea.
You didn't find their conversation on Page 1 to be noteworthy? They buddied up immediately, and personally I would have been hesitant to smiling at the person who I would have to share my vote with without knowing their alignment. I would want my own vote.
Not on first blush. I'll take another peek at it, but they've always seemed pretty cavalier in mafia games. They even butted heads early on about what to do with a particular vote. I'll take another look at it.
What question? How is telling someone to elaborate fishing?
Sorry, not the question. I was of course referring to the bolded part.
And telling someone to elaborate is fishing when you've opened up a discussion about someone's role, and the someone saying that they "highly doubt" your affirmation about their role. This entire conversation was quite literally about Gheb and Xonar's roles, and telling someone to elaborate after they say they "highly doubt" an affirmation amde about their role is certainly fishing for an answer.
What answer you get could be carefully worded to answer your ostensible question while revealing as little as possible, or it could be hastily offered, offering either a hint as to the person's role or, in a Monster Mafia-style jackpot for scum, a full, spooked claim. And yes, before you bother saying it, it's pretty darn unlikely. But people make stupid plays sometimes, and that's one of the worst someone could make this early on.
I think if you reread your conversation with Gheb it's pretty easy to see why it feels so dangerous.
"It's definitely your role doing this."
"I doubt that. Elaborate."
"It totally is [reasons it is]. Why don't
you elaborate?" *nudgenudgenudge*
That second post would have been a good place to put your "I'm not interested in your specific role". A much better, safer, and townier place.
