#UltimateDLCSoMale: The Female DLC Character Discussion

Should we have at least one female newcomer in the DLC?


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It ain't just the males though. There's a handful of female artists out there too that get off on the idea of young anime boys being boned by their own mothers. I don't necessarily see it as a male or female dominated community being a cancer to said community. It's just questionable and disgusting people whether they are male or female being a cancer to said community.

But yeah, you're right. It's the internet. Not much we can really do about it unfortunately.
Ah, sasaeng fans...that's the first thing that comes to mind.

I found the problem.
Women need to straighten up before they ruin Smash Bros. too!
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Explain in your own words how this affects our discussion here?
 

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It ain't just the males though. There's a handful of female artists out there too that get off on the idea of young anime boys being boned by their own mothers. I don't necessarily see it as a male or female dominated community being a cancer to said community. It's just questionable and disgusting people whether they are male or female being a cancer to said community.

But yeah, you're right. It's the internet. Not much we can really do about it unfortunately.
There is one thing that can be done: Not getting affected by other people on the internet.

NSFW fanart have been around for a long long time now and is present pretty much everywhere, no matter the franchise. "The Internet is for Porn" goes the old adage. Thats just how it is if you put a bunch of hormone filled primates infront of the internet. Seeing that pedophilia (even as a tendency) is pretty frequent, you could even view it on a more positive note that many people use fictional cartoon characters to satisfy their needs. For fictional characters, age really is "just" a number.

Just avoid them. Those folks usually tend to stick to their circles and don't garner much attention, as it should be. It would be unfortunate to make your decision based one a niche group of people you can't stand.
 

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There is one thing that can be done: Not getting affected by other people on the internet.

NSFW fanart have been around for a long long time now and is present pretty much everywhere, no matter the franchise. "The Internet is for Porn" goes the old adage. Thats just how it is if you put a bunch of hormone filled primates infront of the internet. Seeing that pedophilia (even as a tendency) is pretty frequent, you could even view it on a more positive note that many people use fictional cartoon characters to satisfy their needs. For fictional characters, age really is "just" a number.

Just avoid them. Those folks usually tend to stick to their circles and don't garner much attention, as it should be. It would be unfortunate to make your decision based one a niche group of people you can't stand.
And y'know, I don't disagree at all. You hit the nail on the head. I fully support freedom of speech and expression even if there is some ugliness to them but I do also believe that their artistic creations do speak volumes of who these people really are deep down. I don't have to like it but it's hard not to let it get to me sometimes. Just a personal thing I guess.

When having this kind of discussion my mind often wanders to the hypothetical question: 'What would happen if the internet just shut down tomorrow?'. I don't know but if that were to happen, I wouldn't want any of these people near our schools or our playgrounds. I don't ****ing trust them.
 

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When having this kind of discussion my mind often wanders to the hypothetical question: 'What would happen if the internet just shut down tomorrow?'. I don't know but if that were to happen, I wouldn't want any of these people near our schools or our playgrounds. I don't ****ing trust them.
Remember the "hormone filled primates" comment? That is 100% accurate.
What happens when you give a gorilla a banana and take it away?
 
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There is one thing that can be done: Not getting affected by other people on the internet.

NSFW fanart have been around for a long long time now and is present pretty much everywhere, no matter the franchise. "The Internet is for Porn" goes the old adage. Thats just how it is if you put a bunch of hormone filled primates infront of the internet. Seeing that pedophilia (even as a tendency) is pretty frequent, you could even view it on a more positive note that many people use fictional cartoon characters to satisfy their needs. For fictional characters, age really is "just" a number.

Just avoid them. Those folks usually tend to stick to their circles and don't garner much attention, as it should be. It would be unfortunate to make your decision based one a niche group of people you can't stand.
That's so far the only practical thing here. Avoidance is a necessity.
 

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Except we're not gorillas. We're people with our own individual values and morals and if those morals are tarnished by evil, then that just makes them monsters.
But who's to say that one's own morals are the rightful ones? Maybe the true monster is oneself, trying to tarnish everything and everyone that goes against ones own ideal. May the hammer of justice smite down on everyone unconditionally to create a perfect world, rid of any potential evil. :nifty:
 

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But who's to say that one's own morals are the rightful ones?
Society? Those that understand that ******, killing and oppressing people are wrong? It's why we have a justice system. Sure, some people in the world may find justification in these actions because it adheres to their morals but that would be contradicting to the progress we've made as a democracy.

Edit: I just learned we can't use the r verb on these forums. Shame.
 
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Society? Those that understand that ******, killing and oppressing people are wrong? It's why we have a justice system. Sure, some people in the world may find justification in these actions because it adheres to their morals but that would be contradicting to the progress we've made as a democracy.

Edit: I just learned we can't use the r verb on these forums. Shame.
My tidbit wasn't serious, just exaggerated drama for the fun of it. That said, we were talking about lewders on the Internet, not actual criminals that actively harm others. For the majority of countries fanart is still legal, even if its content is severly graphic.

But alas, we are straying from the actual topic. So, I don't hear much support for Reimu here. Let' change that, shall we? Go Reimu! Or any other Touhou character. Not like we have a lack of female representation in that franchise. Its like the antithesis of male dominance without succumbing to fanservice.

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Go Reimu! Or any other Touhou character. Not like we have a lack female representation in that franchise. Its like the antithesis of male dominance without succumbing to fanservice.
Touhou is already amazing for Smash; indie rep, female, fighting style, damn, the possibilities. If only everyone else would warm up to her a bit more.
 

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Iconic is a slippery slope, as it's this weird blend between objective and subjective ideas. And importance is a hard thing to quantify as well.
Besides, if those were all that mattered, we wouldn't have fan favorite characters like Ice Climbers.
At the very least, Ice Climbers were the main characters of their games and were included for a special specific reason (Sakurai wanted a character to represent the one-off NES games).

Someone like Ashley is just kind of a side character within another side character's spinoff of a spinoff series. She's cute, but she's no more important than any of the other WarioWare crew. It's not surprising Sakurai just seems to view her as AT material at most.
 

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I wouldn't say Nintendo or Sakurai is ignoring them. Unless we have cold hard evidence for this fact, like Sakurai straight up admitting it or something, I don't think it's fair to make a claim like that.
These female/minority characters that Sakurai is "ignoring" have likely either never crossed his mind or have an actual reason to be not being included.
I feel for Sakurai. He's in a position that he can never make anybody truly happy, no matter how good a pick is, and there will always be people who see a buffet of generosity Smash Ultimate has given them and go "But I wanted strawberry ice cream, not vanilla!"
 
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I feel for Sakurai. He's in a position that he can never make anybody truly happy, no matter how good a pick is, and there will always be people who see a buffet of generosity Smash Ultimate has given them and go "But I wanted strawberry ice cream, not vanilla!"
That's the nature of this unpleasable fanbase. One minute he gives them the characters they want, but then has to attend to a character other people really want, then this surprise character comes up and becomes just as requested. It's hell for Sakurai.

I wish he just adapted Harada's mentality of "Don't ask me for ****"
 

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That's the nature of this unpleasable fanbase. One minute he gives them the characters they want, but then has to attend to a character other people really want, then this surprise character comes up and becomes just as requested. It's hell for Sakurai.

I wish he just adapted Harada's mentality of "Don't ask me for ****"
Harada is the Team Head everybody should aspire to. Not only is he happy to interact with fans, but the moment people bombard him with a character request (like Kiryu Kazama from Yakuza) he not only refuses to put him in, but goes to his other fighting game teams and ask them not to put their respective "most requested characters" in.

If more games devs were like Harada, Twitter would be a better place for people following games.
 
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>Decide to check out the thread for the first time.

>Topic in the first post on this page is incest hentai.

Ummm... Not sure I want to ask...
So you're here...I see.

First, what is with the incest hentai? It's just a normal opening post on THIS page. I think you should read the first page of this entire thread, if you may want to know.
 

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Harada is the Team Head everybody should aspire to. Not only is he happy to interact with fans, but the moment people bombard him with a character request (like Kiryu Kazama from Yakuza) he not only refuses to put him in, but goes to his other fighting game teams and ask them not to put their respective "most requested characters" in.

If more games devs were like Harada, Twitter would be a better place for people following games.
Indeed. Japanese culture is all about being polite and pleasant to the customer, which can be seen with Sakurai; Harada on the other hand is an exception to that norm, being sassy and firm.

I'm all about devs giving people what they want but they also deserve to indulge into their own artistic vision, it's their project after all; which is why I find it funny when people get mad on the internet at picks like Wii Fit Trainer and Piranha Plant.
 

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>Decide to check out the thread for the first time.

>Topic in the first post on this page is incest hentai.

Ummm... Not sure I want to ask...
Hey babe, welcome to the thread I seek refuge in when the Geno thread is lacking in traffic. Btw, I take full responsibility for the topic going that far. Debates can get weird here. Feels like home.
 
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Hey babe, welcome to the thread I seek refuge in when the Geno thread is lacking in traffic. Btw, I take full responsibility for the topic going that far. Debates can get weird here. Feels like home.
I would say the same that this also feels like home. The Newcomer Speculation thread is still lacking information or leads to a result I wouldn't be pleased with. Either way, I'm just here managing stuff, as the curator of this thread.

That being said, Fatmanonice Fatmanonice I'd like to hear your views on this.
 

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That being said, Fatmanonice Fatmanonice I'd like to hear your views on this.
Although him and I go way back, I don't want to speak too much for Fatman but what I can say for sure is that there's no female that has been rumored or speculated amongst his sources and himself for either #5 or even post-pass, unfortunately.
 
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Although him and I go way back, I don't want to speak too much for Fatman but what I can say for sure is that there's no female that has been rumored or speculated amongst his sources and himself for either #5 or even post-pass, unfortunately.
Oh ****... Don't let Lesley hear that. She will be like:
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Oh ****... Don't let Lesley hear that. She will be like:
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I mean, I kinda thought it was old news at this point. Him and his colleagues are pretty conviced that #5 is coming from Bethesda whether it be Doom Marine, Dragonborn from Skyrim (the likeliest) or even a Fallout rep. I still think the rest post-pass is still up in the air despite what they say. Nothing is set in stone yet.
 
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I mean, I kinda thought it was old news at this point. Him and his colleagues are pretty conviced that #5 is coming from Bethesda whether it be Doom Marine, Dragonborn from Skyrim (the likeliest) or even a Fallout rep. I still think the rest post-pass is still up in the air despite what they say. Nothing is set in stone yet.
One side of me whose two most wanted are Crash and Doom Slayer: "YEEEEEEAH!!!!"
The part of my brain that's literally Lesley wagging the finger: "Lord, help us all."
 
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I mean, I kinda thought it was old news at this point. Him and his colleagues are pretty conviced that #5 is coming from Bethesda whether it be Doom Marine, Dragonborn from Skyrim (the likeliest) or even a Fallout rep. I still think the rest post-pass is still up in the air despite what they say. Nothing is set in stone yet.
One side of me whose two most wanted are Crash and Doom Slayer: "YEEEEEEAH!!!!"
The part of my brain that's literally Lesley wagging the finger: "Lord, help us all."


Oh...you guys start readying prayers right now.

I was the one who asked Fatman that question. That was his reply. When I first read it, I had to check Fatman's credentials as a leaker, which was very sketchy. But if does get it right, the Smash community BETTER be ready for my wrath.

I'll be shifting full-force into Tekken by then, while I'll continuously insult Smash as a misogynist game that cannot accept women into its ranks. I might sound crazy, but I **** you not, if they want me to be a monster, then I'LL BE ONE.
 

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Oh...you guys start readying prayers right now.

I was the one who asked Fatman that question. That was his reply. When I first read it, I had to check Fatman's credentials as a leaker, which was very sketchy. But if does get it right, the Smash community BETTER be ready for my wrath.
He's not a leaker. He's a theorycrafter. The difference between him and your average leaker is that leakers are confident in what they are leaking. Fatman has expressed that he's not even confident in what he preaches and is just his own speculation but has hunches and speculates based on rumors he's heard. Any names that have gotten out that he has mentioned has already been mentioned or leaked by someone else.

I'll be shifting full-force into Tekken by then, while I'll continuously insult Smash as a misogynist game that cannot accept women into its ranks. I might sound crazy, but I **** you not, if they want me to be a monster, then I'LL BE ONE.
You're better than this, Lesley. It's not the end of the world. Smash has accepted plenty of females so far. Please don't lose sight of your credibility as a free thinker.
 
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He's not a leaker. He's a theorycrafter. The difference between him and your average leaker is that leakers are confident in what they are leaking. Fatman has expressed that he's not even confident in what he preaches and is just his own speculation but has hunches and speculates based on those. Any names that have gotten out that he has mentioned has already been mentioned or leaked by someone else.



You're better than this, Lesley. It's not the end of the world. Smash has accepted plenty of females so far. Please don't lose sight of your credibility as a free thinker.
Then again, what were his sources anyway? Were they Sabi and Verge's? Because while Verge cannot be trusted at this moment, his source by far is the most credible and has a good track record. This guy? He'd better be telling the truth and give his community HONEST TO HELL TRUTHS.

Fatmanonice Fatmanonice if you're reading this, just HOW CREDIBLE are your sources? I'm asking you, becuase I don't want to be led astray by some wild guess. What did you get right? Because I don't want to be sitting around with a poisoned mind. I want HONEST answers.

Sigh... excuse my rage. I let my emotions do the talking, that is all.
 

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Then again, what were his sources anyway? Were they Sabi and Verge's? Because while Verge cannot be trusted at this moment, his source by far is the most credible and has a good track record. This guy? He'd better be telling the truth and give his community HONEST TO HELL TRUTHS.

Fatmanonice Fatmanonice if you're reading this, just HOW CREDIBLE are your sources? I'm asking you, becuase I don't want to be led astray by some wild guess. What did you get right? Because I don't want to be sitting around with a poisoned mind. I want HONEST answers.

Sigh... excuse my rage. I let my emotions do the talking, that is all.
You don't have to believe him. Fatman's a friend of mine and someone I've admired for over a decade but even I don't have 100% confidence in what he is saying. He doesn't owe you anything. Take it for what you will. You're not getting any answers until we get reveals.

Again, even he's not totally confident in what he's saying. He has no reason to lie to anyone and how can he considering that they're not totally factual? He's not afraid to be wrong and unlike most leakers, he's the kind of guy that will swallow his pride and go "oh well, onto the next speculation." and that's where he earns a lot of peoples respect. He's not a leaker so don't treat him like one.
 
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You don't have to believe him. Fatman's a friend of mine and someone I've admired for over a decade but even I don't have 100% confidence in what he is saying. He doesn't owe you anything. Take it for what you will. You're not getting any answers until we get reveals.

Again, even he's not totally confident in what he's saying. He has no reason to lie to anyone and how can he considering that they're not totally factual? He's not afraid to be wrong and unlike most leakers, he's the kind of guy that will swallow his pride and go "oh well, onto the next speculation." and that's where he earns a lot of peoples respect. He's not a leaker so don't treat him like one.
He's freaking affiliated with Sabi for God's sake. Then again...Sabi dissed him on a tweet, but even **** has plotholes in them.

I've been wanting the truth and cold-hard truth. It's just that he has connections with stuff. I just want to question if his sources' track record is believable enough. That way, we can get this **** settled fair and square.
 
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He's freaking affiliated with Sabi for God's sake. Then again...Sabi dissed him on a tweet, but even **** has plotholes in them.

I've been wanting the truth and cold-hard truth. It's just that he has connections with stuff. I just want to question if his sources' track record is believable enough. That way, we can get this **** settled fair and square.
I mean, we're for sure gonna know by February 29th.
 

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He's freaking affiliated with Sabi for God's sake. Then again...Sabi dissed him on a tweet, but even **** has plotholes in them.
They're not affiliated anymore.
I've been wanting the truth and cold-hard truth. It's just that he has connections with stuff. I just want to question if his sources' track record is believable enough. That way, we can get this **** settled fair and square.
Once again, he doesn't owe you anything. You're just going to have to be patient. Sorry.
 
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They're not affiliated anymore.


Once again, he doesn't owe you anything. You're just going to have to be patient. Sorry.
So how confident is the party here on Fatman? That is all I wanna know.

I'm trying to be patient but then I see stuff about FP5 being male and all I can do is be poisoned about it.
 

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So how confident is the party here on Fatman? That is all I wanna know.
Who cares? That's for you to decide. If you want to dig deeper into his theories and speculations then go do some digging and read his posts in the Geno thread. Maybe that will help give you some closure however, no females are mentioned.
I'm trying to be patient but then I see stuff about FP5 being male and all I can do is be poisoned about it.
I hate to be rude, but that sounds like a you problem. And don't act like FP5 is the be-all-end-all for Smash DLC. There will be more post-pass so chill and wait it out.
 
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hate to be rude, but that sounds like a you problem. And don't act like FP5 is the be-all-end-all for Smash DLC. There will be more post-pass so chill and wait it out.
And then all of them will still be male; no female in sight.

**** this ****. **** this game that won't open its doors to new women in its glorious roster where males are everything. **** it all. I'm just being free-speeched.

Fatmanonice Fatmanonice is going to be the death of me going forward.
 
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