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[Zinith]

A Vs. debate where one of the characters relies heavily on power-ups. I wouldn't know anything about that...

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Posted this before but got no response. Posting again because I really want an answer.

If Marvel vs. Capcom DID do an "Everyone is Here" style game, would you include all the pallet swap characters. They play differently. Do you include US Agent and Orange Hulk? Shadow Lady and Cyber Akuma? BOTH Wolverines and Jills? Who counts and who doesn't.

 

[NineS]

didnt you just say mario has the rpgs

do your research bro, superstar saga fire hand

hell, even the SNES RPG has it as a special move

i'm not the biggest mario rpg fan if that's not obvious.
but taking that into account, mario likely would have a somewhat easier time assuming he manages to land the hit.

 

[Opossum]

Also keep in mind that Mario had the strength to toss an entire fortress into the sunset in Super Mario World.

Mario's strong as hell.

 

[Will]

i'm not the biggest mario rpg fan if that's not obvious.
but taking that into account, mario likely would have a somewhat easier time assuming he manages to land the hit.

dude

you don't know the mario games?

Then why you suggesting a matchup if you didn't do your research? That's rule #1 of VS Debating.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Also keep in mind that Mario had the strength to toss an entire fortress into the sunset in Super Mario World.

Mario's strong as hell.

Strength doesn't matter is you can't keep up. Sonic would just keep running until the chubby plumber tires himself out and go in for the kill.

 

[Will]

A Vs. debate where one of the characters relies heavily on power-ups. I wouldn't know anything about that...

dude if you aren't from mario or metroid that could be anyone

 

[PsySmasher]

Failed the Classic Mode again.

Then I played online, and got reminded why I don't play online.

Spoiler: Hint

It's because I suck at this game. I also suck at living, really.

Hey... do I sense some negativity in you Noipoi?
Time for some image therapy!

 

[Will]

Strength doesn't matter is you can't keep up.

Speed doesn't matter if you can't hit 'em hard enough.

Assuming Sonic is FTL, he cannot use KE to his advantage. What a loser, too fast to use schkience to his own advantage.

 

[Deleted member]

Failed the Classic Mode again.

Then I played online, and got reminded why I don't play online.

Spoiler: Hint

It's because I suck at this game. I also suck at living, really.

You know how you can get 9.9?

Get a lot of classic mode tickets and use him-

It’s kinda challenging to get 9.9 before the boss but I’m sure you can do it

 

[osby]

Posted this before but got no response. Posting again because I really want an answer.

If Marvel vs. Capcom DID do an "Everyone is Here" style game, would you include all the pallet swap characters. They play differently. Do you include US Agent and Orange Hulk? Shadow Lady and Cyber Akuma? BOTH Wolverines and Jills? Who counts and who doesn't.

I would, I guess. Ultimate has

Strength doesn't matter is you can't keep up. Sonic would just keep running until the chubby plumber tires himself out and go in for the kill.

Why would Sonic kill Mario?

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Speed doesn't matter if you can't hit 'em hard enough.

Assuming Sonic is FTL, he cannot use KE to his advantage. What a loser, too fast to use schkience to his own advantage.

Wait what? I don't think that's how science works. If Sonic runs at Mario at light speed he'd slice right through him like a cheese wire.

I would, I guess. Ultimate has



Why would Sonic kill Mario?

How else do you end the fight for good?

 

[NineS]

dude

you don't know the mario games?

Then why you suggesting a matchup if you didn't do your research? That's rule #1 of VS Debating.

This isn't a debate, however.
And I didn't suggest it, someone else did.
That aside, I do know mario games, but not so much the RPG ones. Taking them into account, however, I'm aware enough that even then Mario would have a difficult time against someone such as Sonic.

Also keep in mind that Mario had the strength to toss an entire fortress into the sunset in Super Mario World.

Mario's strong as hell.

Mario definitely can deal hits, but he isn't the best at tanking them.
Against someone as fast as Sonic, he'd hypothetically need extreme patience and accuracy while doing his best to avoid getting hit himself. Seeing as Sonic himself also seems to be able to do a considerable amount of damage in his base form thanks to something as simple as a spindash, it'd be a dangerous game for Mario.

Also, I say "however" way too often.

 

[Deleted member]

You know how you can get 9.9?

Get a lot of classic mode tickets and use him-

snip

It’s kinda challenging to get 9.9 before the boss but I’m sure you can do it

I'm frightened, this lad is too powerful.

 

[SnakeFighter64]

This isn't a debate, however.
And I didn't suggest it, someone else did.
That aside, I do know mario games, but not so much the RPG ones. Taking them into account, however, I'm aware enough that even then Mario would have a difficult time against someone such as Sonic.


Mario definitely can deal hits, but he isn't the best at tanking them.
Against someone as fast as Sonic, he'd hypothetically need extreme patience and accuracy while doing his best to avoid getting hit himself. Seeing as Sonic himself also seems to be able to do a considerable amount of damage in his base form thanks to something as simple as a spindash, it'd be a dangerous game for Mario.

Right! Sonic's spindash and homing attacks destroy robots. Mario's base jump destroys a Mushroom and can't even bust through a turtle shell.

 

[Noipoi]

I think we've turned into school ground children.

Or perhaps, we never evolved from school ground children?

Spoiler

Hey... do I sense some negativity in you Noipoi?
Time for some image therapy!
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That's a precious Pikachu~

 

[osby]

How else do you end the fight for good?

Either they finish they friendly spar or realize they are fighting with the wrong guy. Like every crossover except Death Battles does.

 

[Will]

Wait what? I don't think that's how science works. If Sonic runs at Mario at light speed he'd slice right through him like a cheese wire.

If he went at Relativistic speeds, you could argue Mario could go splat, but you could also argue Mario is more durable than that.

also sonic is a solid object, he isnt actual light

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Its kinda implied sonic is the ultimate lifeform in his games
His existence was even prophesized by the echidna clan on angel island twice, once in Hidden Palace zone for a battle against eggman and another in lost world zone for his battle against chaos.

Sonic is kind of a god in a sense

also

 

[Deleted member]

Both would lose to Kirby so eh.

 

[Wademan94]

Meanwhile I just wanna see Mario and Sonic fighting enemies together alongside Mega Man and Pac-Man instead of fighting each other

 

[Will]

Right! Sonic's spindash and homing attacks destroy robots. Mario's base jump destroys a Mushroom and can't even bust through a turtle shell.

In Mario 64, the force actually ejects the Koopa from the shell.

also why are you using game mechanics to boost your argument, that's dumb

 

[Opossum]

Time for the trump card.

Mario Party 6. Black Hole Boogie minigame.

In it, Mario and the other characters are able to escape from being sucked into a black hole. As such, this shows that Mario is capable of faster than light travel. As well, this was in the vacuum of space, so there was no traction, and there was the added bonus of the black hole sucking Mario in, adding resistance.

Mario was able to space-swim faster than lightspeed, thus making him a god.

 

[Jovahexeon Joranvexeon]

Who would win?
Dirk the Daring or Courage the Cowardly Dog?

Courage is far more durable at taking punishment than Dirk is so the latter hands down.

 

[NineS]

Either they finish they friendly spar or realize they are fighting with the wrong guy. Like every crossover except Death Battles does.

Death battle always struck me as really cheesy because of that, to be honest.
They're asking how a character could win, but not how a character would win. Which is why I'd say, if they ever fought, they probably wouldn't kill each other. At most until one is too hurt or tired to continue, or they end it on a tie as you said, a friendly spar.

 

[Noipoi]

Both would lose to Kirby so eh.

The ultimate truth.

Fat Plumber and Meme Hedgehog<Pink God of Hyper Death.

I mean, look at his terrifying face!

Spoiler: Terrifying Face

 

[NineS]

Both would lose to Kirby so eh.

Pretty much this.
We can argue all we want, but

Chances are, everyone would lose to Kirby and probably the only characters that manage to give Kirby a tough time, being Dedede and Meta Knight. Maybe Bandana Dee, too.

 

[osby]

Death battle always struck me as really cheesy because of that, to be honest.
They're asking how a character could win, but not how a character could win. Which is why I'd say, if they ever fought, they probably wouldn't kill each other. At most until one is too hurt or tired to continue, or they end it on a tie as you said, a friendly spar.

Yeah, I never got the point of "they are their canon selfs but as violent murderers".

 

[SnakeFighter64]

In Mario 64, the force actually ejects the Koopa from the shell.

also why are you using game mechanics to boost your argument, that's dumb

It's not like a fighting game where the specifics of gameplay are defiantly non-cannon. That is what the characters can do.

 

[staindgrey]

Time for the trump card.

Mario Party 6. Black Hole Boogie minigame.

In it, Mario and the other characters are able to escape from being sucked into a black hole. As such, this shows that Mario is capable of faster than light travel. As well, this was in the vacuum of space, so there was no traction, and there was the added bonus of the black hole sucking Mario in, adding resistance.

Mario was able to space-swim faster than lightspeed, thus making him a god.

Can I just say that this sort of bull**** is why I often hate Death Battle results.

Like when they used the noncanonical "Test Your Might" minigame to prove that Sonya Blade can chop solid titanium in half with her bare hand.

****in' bull****.

 

[PsySmasher]

Guys C'mon. The only way we can figure out who would win between and ...

Is a competition of athletic capabilities.

You know what that means...

We have to settle it...

Spoiler

At the Olympics

 

[Will]

Time for the trump card.

Mario Party 6. Black Hole Boogie minigame.

In it, Mario and the other characters are able to escape from being sucked into a black hole. As such, this shows that Mario is capable of faster than light travel. As well, this was in the vacuum of space, so there was no traction, and there was the added bonus of the black hole sucking Mario in, adding resistance.

Mario was able to space-swim faster than lightspeed, thus making him a god.

HOLD IT!​

This is actually false. I've done this feat myself to determine whether or not this was an actual black hole. Let's look at the footage.

Right here, you see Mario get sucked into the black hole. And seconds later, you see him floating around in space. By the nature of black holes, Mario shouldn't have been ejected like it was a sci-fi wormhole. Ergo, this cannot be a real black hole.

 

[Opossum]

Can I just say that this sort of bull**** is why I often hate Death Battle results.

Like when they used the noncanonical "Test Your Might" minigame to prove that Sonya Blade can chop solid titanium in half with her bare hand.

****in' bull****.

How dare you question the canonicity of Mario Party 6.


For shame, staindgrey. For shame.

 

[Blargg888]

Base form on both only.
That's pretty much the issue with Mario. Over-reliance on power-ups. Sonic in his base form is fine without it, and can still fight.
Mario, counting the RPGS, without powerups will have a significantly difficult time.

When you say "Counting the RPGs" does that include special attacks?

Because even if you remove attacks from M&L that can't be done without Luigi or any other outside help, that still leaves you with some pretty powerful attacks: Copy Flower and Clock Out (Emerald Star) stand out especially here.

We've also got SPM's flip mechanic to keep in mind. I know that Modern Sonic games have a lot of 2D to 3D segments, but that's just gameplay. Mario literally has the power to transfer between the 2nd and 3rd dimensions at will, and that could help him out a lot in a battle against Sonic. Restricting the fight to a 2D plane could benefit Mario greatly.

And even if we discount special attacks and flipping, and make this restricted ONLY to Mario's basic abilities, by including the RPGs, that means you're including TTYD's Super Guarding, which is a basic ability that Mario can perform from the start of the game. Superguarding causes Mario to obtain no damage, which the enemy take slight damage. So couldn't Mario just counter Sonic to death?

 

[Noipoi]

We've got to have a scientist's opinion.

Get Matpat

 

[Will]

Like when they used the noncanonical "Test Your Might" minigame to prove that Sonya Blade can chop solid titanium in half with her bare hand.

****in' bull****.

how the **** is mario party non-canon?

mario doesnt even have a true canon, it has lore for baby-era mario but nothing else.

 

[Zinith]

It's kinda understated how much my boi can do without power-ups in comparison to Mario...

 

[TMNTSSB4]

HOT TAKE: If Mario and Sonic were to engage in battle, Mario would certainly struggle, but he would ultimately win.

HOTTER TAKE: Nuh-uh Sonic would win

Guys...stuff like this is why we have Smash...and Death Battle...and the Olympics

Also keep in mind that Mario had the strength to toss an entire fortress into the sunset in Super Mario World.

Mario's strong as hell.

When you spend 30+ years not getting any from your lover, you’re gonna be strong as ****

Both would lose to Kirby so eh.

And Kirby would lose the the Plant Boi (who always like to save his powers for something important)

 

[NineS]

Guys C'mon. The only way we can figure out who would win between and ...

Is a competition of athletic capabilities.

You know what that means...

We have to settle it...

Spoiler

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At the Olympics

You know, It always bothered me that they nerfed Sonic's speed like crazy in the olympics. Especially in the sprints.

It's a nitpicky thing, sure, but it really bothered me. This is probably the only game where Big the Cat could hypothetically be the fastest thing alive.

But he's already the God of the Sonic universe, so who cares?

 

[SnakeFighter64]

Yeah, I never got the point of "they are their canon selfs but as violent murderers".

I mean. It's Death Battle. The fight has to end with a Death. It's the only real way to know a definitive winner. If the other person just gives up, that's not really an answer.

Can I just say that this sort of bull**** is why I often hate Death Battle results.

Like when they used the noncanonical "Test Your Might" minigame to prove that Sonya Blade can chop solid titanium in half with her bare hand.

****in' bull****.

That Sonya thing was crap. To be fair they also used the car for Cammy, equally bull. Sonya vs. Cammy always felt like a rushed one to me. Like it was just a quick stop gap between other "more important" fights.

Plus, they use multiple different writers with who interperet the rules in different ways some times. They've craked down on it recently, but you used to be able to really tell which one was written by Sam and which one was written by Nick.