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[mbvswb]

Ahhhhh, speaking of...


Googling my oldest online handle brought up one of the best(most heartbreaking) moments of Smash Ultimate speculation...


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I'M SORRY PREZ I STILL LUV U GURL

You're causing me great pain now

 

[Deleted member]

Awesome

hmu in PM's whenever you feel like helping out or when you found something worth documenting if you don't mind.

 

[KMDP]

If theres gonna be a history of smash speculation, im very interested to see where the origins of obscure (Geno) and ridiculous (Goku) character fan bases come from.

Well, all it really takes is for someone, somewhere, to suggest the character, even non-seriously, and for people to take up the idea.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Alright. All this ****posting and reminiscing has been fun, but I should really be going to bed.

Have a good night everyone!

 

[KMDP]

Alright. All this ****posting and reminiscing has been fun, but I should really be going to bed.

Have a good night everyone!

Good night, TPC.

 

[Deleted member]

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Best Mario and Luigi game and definitely deserves a Switch remake. Don't @ me.

That's a large task my friend.

Go for it.
Mind if I cover all of the notable leaks from Melee to Ultimate though? It's something I've wanted to write about for a while anyways. If you want to cover those instead be my guest.

You can certainly add your own thoughts and opinions to it and we could split it up evenly if you'd like!

You can help research it some and we could both add our own thoughts to it like one mega document presented by the both of us with the help of KneeOfJustice99

 

[KneeOfJustice99]

According to Know Your Meme, the first major mod including Goku in Smash was in 2010, and it was a Brawl mod. (I think it was around before then, but I apparently need to go on a walk *sigh* I'll get some research done, and post my findings. KneeOfJustice99; over.)

I should be back for around 12;30 GMT

 

[Deleted member]

According to Know Your Meme, the first major mod including Goku in Smash was in 2010, and it was a Brawl mod. (I think it was around before then, but I apparently need to go on a walk *sigh* I'll get some research done, and post my findings. KneeOfJustice99; over.)

If you'd like you can just PM me if you find anything of interest we wouldn't want to clutter the thread with this sort of stuff.

 

[osby]

Opossum Swamp Sensei I edited out most of the quoted content and only left the quote itself with its start so people can easily go to first post.

 

[Shroob]

That Geno image leak hurt the most tbh.

Not because I necessarily thought Geno was going to be in, but moreso it was just one of those images that 'existed' that no one gave a lot of thought towards for months, and when people finally did take notice, it was quickly shown to be the animation of a mod, just with photoshop slapped onto it.


Prez's realization of "Why would an official character have the same animation as a mod" and her own realization of "Holy **** this is just a mod screenshot" is still one of the most heartbreaking moments of the cycle.

 

[Deleted member]

Good night, thread! Tonight was fun.
And we loom closer to the direct...
Who will win the debate?

 

[Wunderwaft]

@ShotoStar if you're actually going to archive the entire history of Smash speculation then I hope you're completely prepared to tackle the juggernaut that is Brawl. Because boy oh boy is there a lot of undocumented stuff from that era. My memory is vague but I remember Ridley supporters made their own site and picked fights with Geno supporters, Waluigi supporters, Ashley supporters, and pretty much anyone who didn't think Ridley was awesome.

 

[Deleted member]

I just love how one argument I used to make regarding the veracity of the Ken leak was how the model in the leak looked more correct than the models Capcom did for SF4 and SF5 by a mile, and some also took it as a fair point.

 

[Shroob]

I just love how one argument I used to make regarding the veracity of the Ken leak was how the model in the leak looked more correct than the models Capcom did for SF4 and SF5 by a mile, and some also took it as a fair point.

The Ken leak was a blessing.


The only issue is, it was Ken.


Like, after Richter said "Hey, 3rd party echoes are a thing" and like 5 days later Verge said "Ken's in", everyone knew Ken was in.


And then, the leaker just ripped the band-aide off and showed us Ken.

 

[Gentlepanda]

Who will win the debate?

it's a mystery to everyone

 

[Deleted member]

@ShotoStar if you're actually going to archive the entire history of Smash speculation then I hope you're completely prepared to tackle the juggernaut that is Brawl. Because boy oh boy is there a lot of undocumented stuff from that era. My memory is vague but I remember Ridley supporters made their own site and picked fights with Geno supporters, Waluigi supporters, Ashley supporters, and pretty much anyone who didn't think Ridley was awesome.

I'm gonna need a team first and foremost which is something I'll need to work on before we research.

On Board I have KneeOfJustice99 and myself on it though I hope I can get TehPonyCorn on board too as he's very smart I'm sure he'd be super helpful.

But yeah this is going to be a daunting task, I hope I can get this done by the end of the year though.

 

[Deleted member]

@ShotoStar , I could share a lot of stuff about Smash speculation from Miiverse.

Like how a Miiverse artist called Archdan basically made Roy a popular pick for many users before he got leaked thanks to a comic he made.

 

[osby]

Good night, thread! Tonight was fun.
And we loom closer to the direct...
Who will win the debate?

Erdrick vs The World debate?

I don't think there's anything concrete and I generally go with Murphy's Law in these kind of situations.

 

[Deleted member]

@ShotoStar , I could share a lot of stuff about Smash speculation from Miiverse.

Like how a Miiverse artist called Archdan basically made Roy a popular pick for many users before he got leaked thanks to a comic he made.

If you can DM me the info that would be super great!

I think I heard of them before as well, Don't they have a twitter account or something?

 

[osby]

@ShotoStar , I could share a lot of stuff about Smash speculation from Miiverse.

Like how a Miiverse artist called Archdan basically made Roy a popular pick for many users before he got leaked thanks to a comic he made.

Wasn't Roy a popular character already? And how do you even make a character popular only for some people?

 

[Shroob]

Wasn't Roy a popular character already? And how do you even make a character popular only for some people?

You just explained the entire Smash bubble without even realizing it.

 

[Deleted member]

Anyways I'm gonna go to bed now, I have a busy day ahead of me.

 

[Cyn]

Care to share, even if it's in PMs? The best I found was a crummy wiki page detailing Swamp's debate.

It'd really be nice if places like the Smash 4 Leaks Group had been archived instead of straight up deleted.

To Cyn and @Moydow I have to ask, why did the administration team delete those places instead of archiving them and allowing access? Was it an issue with site data? Did you not want people to remember the bitter toxicity and elitism of those areas?

I know a large majority of my posts were there and now they can't be found at all. My earliest viewable posts come from the Smash 4 Social Thread after the game's release, when I was here at least a couple of months before then.

The user groups have been archived and definitely not deleted. Should the higher ups ever decide to bring back group functionality, nothing should be lost. Whether or not they would be restored to their original state or just publicly archived, I cannot say for certain.

 

[Gyrom8]

On topic, I'm trying to recall all the major leaks, fakes and leakers (both real and fake) of the Ultimate speculation period; so far I've got
- Vergeben mentioning Ridley, Simon, Snake and Ice Climbers (I think?) prior to E3
- The Decidueye v Springman leak
- The 'riddler' leaks (I think there were multiple of these)
- The Funky Kong leak (a 4chan text leak but one which gained traction due to happening to get a couple of things right coincidentally)
- The rise and fall of loz18
- The Agnes leak and the various copycat efforts it inspired
- That fake image of Skull Kid fighting BWD on Poke Floats 2
- The Ken Leak (i.e. the real deal)
- The mother****ing Grinch

I'm only including ones that gained much traction and am using 'leak' fairly liberally (yes yes, "ackshually" they're hoaxes)

 

[Gentlepanda]

The Agnes leak

fare thee well, 3 minutes of excitement before realising how terrible it looked

 

[Shroob]

On topic, I'm trying to recall all the major leaks, fakes and leakers (both real and fake) of the Ultimate speculation period; so far I've got
- Vergeben mentioning Ridley, Simon, Snake and Ice Climbers (I think?) prior to E3
- The Decidueye v Springman leak
- The 'riddler' leaks (I think there were multiple of these)
- The Funky Kong leak (a 4chan text leak but one which gained traction due to happening to get a couple of things right coincidentally)
- The rise and fall of loz18
- The Agnes leak and the various copycat efforts it inspired
- That fake image of Skull Kid fighting BWD on Poke Floats 2
- The Ken Leak (i.e. the real deal)
- The mother****ing Grinch

I'm only including ones that gained much traction and am using 'leak' fairly liberally (yes yes, "ackshually" they're hoaxes)

If you're going for the full package, gotta include Gothitelle.

"Riddler" leaks were just dime a dozen 4chan leaks, nothing special.


There were a couple small ones like the Neogaf leak and the Jeuxvideo leak.


Spirits Mode leaked(That's me!)

 

[ZephyrZ]

New avatar time! Spoiler Alert: It's not WurmpleZard X, although it almost was.

Word on the street has it that anime girl avatars help you get more likes. That's not why I picked this avatar but I am curious to see if there's any truth to that.

 

[Gentlepanda]

anime girl avatars help you get more likes

there's a science to it

 

[Shroob]

Despite being on the small-time scale, the Jeuxvideo leak was one of the funniest.

The fact that we got staff from Jeuxvideo to come here and how I constantly had to shut it down whenever it came up on Reddit was something special.



That, and even when you presented irrefutable evidence as to 'why' it was fake, you'd get the occasional "THE STAFF IS COVERING IT UP, MUH CONSPIRACY!" people.

 

[Opossum]

The best was me coming in like a page after the debate ended for my obligatory cameo. Good times.

 

[ZephyrZ]

there's a science to it

Do you think talking like a weeb an actual anime girl would help at all, Panda-senpai?

 

[KarneraMythos]

New avatar time! Spoiler Alert: It's not WurmpleZard X, although it almost was.

Word on the street has it that anime girl avatars help you get more likes. That's not why I picked this avatar but I am curious to see if there's any truth to that.

Wholly untrue. I had an X avi when I first started posting, and I secured a decent amount of likes just fine (but it could just be that X is that awesome). Also, you and I have videogame girls as avis, and both of our avis are completely wholesome.

 

[Gentlepanda]

Do you think talking like a weeb an actual anime girl would help at all, Panda-senpai?

don't touch me

 

[KMDP]

You know, I've been considering hosting a Hunger Games myself, after all the others that have made the rounds recently.

However, were I to do one, I'd want it to be something special; considering the fact that Hunger Games simulators have been a dime a dozen in the past month.

Here's my idea, and keep in mind that this is, as of now, hypothetical:

Everyone who takes part chooses a party of representatives, though users in themselves cannot take part.
The representatives would have to be actual, individual characters, no concepts (i.e. "Sans" and "Shaggy", not "Default Dancing Sans" and "Ultra Instinct Shaggy"). Duplicate characters are also not allowed (e.g. if someone takes Sans, nobody else can have Sans).
At the end of each day, users select highlights (not necessarily deaths) that I would then draw.

The owner of the winning district gets a drawing of their characters.

 

[Gyrom8]

If you're going for the full package, gotta include Gothitelle.

"Riddler" leaks were just dime a dozen 4chan leaks, nothing special.


There were a couple small ones like the Neogaf leak and the Jeuxvideo leak.


Spirits Mode leaked(That's me!)

I forgot about the Gothitelle leak: good times why did that ever gain any traction

As for the 'riddler' leaks, I decided to include them as while they were ultimately nothing more than your daily 4chan fake, they did seem to gain a little traction, especially as they occurred nearer the beginning of the cycle when people were perhaps a little more trusting (though tbh maybe the traction was just people thought it was fun answering the riddles)

 

[KMDP]

don't touch me

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It's funny.

Both Captain Falcon and King Dedede have been part of "hates anime" jokes/memes.

Despite the fact that both have been in anime, in fact both were stars of their respective shows.

 

[Deleted member]

Enjoy this beautiful melody.

 

[Zinith]

You know, I've been considering hosting a Hunger Games myself, after all the others that have made the rounds recently.

However, were I to do one, I'd want it to be something special; considering the fact that Hunger Games simulators have been a dime a dozen in the past month.

Here's my idea, and keep in mind that this is, as of now, hypothetical:

Everyone who takes part chooses a party of representatives, though users in themselves cannot take part.
The representatives would have to be actual, individual characters, no concepts (i.e. "Sans" and "Shaggy", not "Default Dancing Sans" and "Ultra Instinct Shaggy"). Duplicate characters are also not allowed (e.g. if someone takes Sans, nobody else can have Sans).
At the end of each day, users select highlights (not necessarily deaths) that I would then draw.

The owner of the winning district gets a drawing of their characters.

Okay, so how many reps per user?

 

[N3ON]

No really.

Opossum

Shall we tell the other of DivineDiety?

Because that was a big part of the Smash 4 speculation. At least for this community.

i never could get my banhammer completely clean after that

 

[Shroob]

I forgot about the Gothitelle leak: good times why did that ever gain any traction

As for the 'riddler' leaks, I decided to include them as while they were ultimately nothing more than your daily 4chan fake, they did seem to gain a little traction, especially as they occurred nearer the beginning of the cycle when people were perhaps a little more trusting (though tbh maybe the traction was just people thought it was fun answering the riddles)

According to all known laws of speculation, there is no way a Gothitelle leak should be able to gain traction. Its backstory is too shaky to get its fragile, clumsily-written backstory circulating around the net. The Gothitelle leak, of course, circulates anyway because leaks don't care what humans think is logical.