Ultimate Marvel vs. Capcom 3: Fate of Two Worlds

[_Dice]

Heh my top list is so different.

Pheonix
LARGE GAP
Ammy
She Hulk
Magneto
LARGE GAP
Akuma
Doom
Storm

 

[O D I N]

I think Ammy is better than Dante.

She has a better (smaller) hitbox, she's more versatile, her damage output is much higher, her pressure is way better, and her supers are more versatile.

I'd say their neutral game is about the same, and they both have good assists (Jam Session, Cold Star). Also, Ammy is very good against advancing guard.

Ammy is my starter on my Captain America/Spencer team.

... Maybe I'll try Ammy/Cap/Dante. See how that goes.

Task/Deadpool/Dante is still my favorite. <3

 

[adumbrodeus]

Where the hell is sentinal on these lists. And yes, phoenix is a glass cannon, but she's def number 1 in the game atm.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

This is my MODOK.

(I wish.)

Smooth Criminal

 

[GHNeko]

I think Ammy is better than Dante.

She has a better (smaller) hitbox, she's more versatile, her damage output is much higher, her pressure is way better, and her supers are more versatile.

I'd say their neutral game is about the same, and they both have good assists (Jam Session, Cold Star). Also, Ammy is very good against advancing guard.

Don't forget


dat grab range

 

[_Dice]

Where the hell is sentinal on these lists. And yes, phoenix is a glass cannon, but she's def number 1 in the game atm.

Sentinel is around the middle of the list where he belongs.

the list of every character that is.

TL;DR Sentinel is at best a low high tier high mid tier character.

 

[Scamp]

I think Ammy is better than Dante.

She has a better (smaller) hitbox, she's more versatile, her damage output is much higher, her pressure is way better, and her supers are more versatile.

I'd say their neutral game is about the same, and they both have good assists (Jam Session, Cold Star). Also, Ammy is very good against advancing guard.

Hmmm....I'll have to argue against some of these points.

Her damage output is definitely not higher. If anything it's much lower.

I would put Ammy's pressure as slightly better by herself, and only when close up, but Dante's pressure is much, much better with assists. Dante is also very good against advancing guard.

I also don't see Ammy as more versatile. It seems you use that word a lot to describe her, which I find interesting since I think Dante has a much better all-around game, and is only worse to Ammy when right next to the opponent. (And when trying to duck mouth lasers.)

 

[_Dice]

Hmmm....I'll have to argue against some of these points.

Her damage output is definitely not higher. If anything it's much lower.

I would put Ammy's pressure as slightly better by herself, and only when close up, but Dante's pressure is much, much better with assists. Dante is also very good against advancing guard.

I also don't see Ammy as more versatile. It seems you use that word a lot to describe her, which I find interesting since I think Dante has a much better all-around game, and is only worse to Ammy when right next to the opponent. (And when trying to duck mouth lasers.)

but dante's defense is severely lacking (outside of using a super bar for devil), his supers are all very punishable on block/whiff, and dante ends up dealing 40-50% of his damage with bar as opposed to ammy dealing it with normals or specials, allowing ammy to gain meter alot better. not to mention that because dante is tall and has a bad crouch he is much more vulnerable to being openned up on defense.

the only thing dante has going for him over ammy, is his supers damage.

dante is a good character but definitely not near the top, he's probably around sentinel, they suffer from similar issues. for similar reasons.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Sentinel is around the middle of the list where he belongs.

the list of every character that is.

TL;DR Sentinel is at best a low high tier high mid tier character.

lol

10characters

 

[Lythium]

Just my opinion, Scamp.

I could also argue that Ammy's pressure is better with assists. It amounts to the same thing. My point is, Ammy's pressure is all-around better than Dante's. Also, how is Dante good against pushblocking compared to Ammy?

Not saying Dante isn't good, just not as good as Ammy.

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Dante can teleport, Lyth.

You're forgetting that. He can keep the pressure up.

Smooth Criminal

 

[Lythium]

Fair enough.

 

[Minato]

Where the hell is sentinal on these lists. And yes, phoenix is a glass cannon, but she's def number 1 in the game atm.

I think Sentinel is the tier below my top 5. Obviously he's a great character, but he's lacking compared to some of the other characters.

but dante's defense is severely lacking (outside of using a super bar for devil), his supers are all very punishable on block/whiff, and dante ends up dealing 40-50% of his damage with bar as opposed to ammy dealing it with normals or specials, allowing ammy to gain meter alot better. not to mention that because dante is tall and has a bad crouch he is much more vulnerable to being openned up on defense.

the only thing dante has going for him over ammy, is his supers damage.

dante is a good character but definitely not near the top, he's probably around sentinel, they suffer from similar issues. for similar reasons.

I don't think his super being punishable on block and whiff really matters. You should be comboing into them anyways. If the opponent does block it, I think it's character specific depending on how punishable it is (as with Ammy's super). Plus, any Dante player will just DHC right out if they know they're going to get punished.

I do admit that I've been underestimating Ammy a lot though so I still need to use her more.

 

[Serris]

This is my last break before I'm done with clearing vines for the day. Anyone interested in playing afterwards?

 

[Pitzer]

I based my opinion on assist, damage output and etc.

I'll just post MY OPINIONNATED tier list.

I factor Assist, Damage output, Health, But I dont factor in X factor.

God Tier:

(These are interchangable)
Magneto
Wesker
Taskmaster
Dante

Top Tier:

Sentinel
Hulk
Dormammu
Ammy
Tron Bonne
Trish
Akuma
Spencer
She-Hulk
Storm
Dark Phoenix

High Tier:

Wolverine
Dr. Doom
Zero
Deadpool
Iron Man
C. Viper
Ryu
X-23
Super Skrull


Middle Tier:

Phoenix
Chun Li
Spider-Man
Morrigan
Felicia
Captian America

Low Tier:

Thor
Chris
Viewtiful Joe
Arthur
Haggar
Hsien-K

Again my opinion though it would be nice to hear some feed back on why you think this person should be higher (or lower). Thank you.

Also in terms of tourney wins, She Hulk and Tron are tied with 4 national wins.

 

[Scamp]

Just my opinion, Scamp.

I could also argue that Ammy's pressure is better with assists. It amounts to the same thing. My point is, Ammy's pressure is all-around better than Dante's. Also, how is Dante good against pushblocking compared to Ammy?

Not saying Dante isn't good, just not as good as Ammy.

Just my opinion too. Hence we have a nice discussion. On the topic of not nice, though, I'm just going to flat-out ignore what Dice said about Dante because it's clear that he doesn't know what he's talking about when it comes to Dante.

Anyway, I meant that Dante has better pressure with assists than Ammy has with assists. Smooth Criminal already mentioned his teleport for pushblocking, but with an assist he can do unblockable and/or crossup situations that are really tough to deal with. Without an assist Dante's teleport is much easier to handle.

For anti-pushblocking pressure in addition to the teleport Dante (just like Ammy) has a number of moves that push him forward. He can also bold cancel into airdash or any of his numerous special moves which if done with correct timing can negate the pushblock.

 

[Pitzer]

Dante has probably the longest and so what damaging combo's in his Damage output group. I believe his Damage output is 63,000. He has a lot of moves, a lot of pressuring, he can pretty much do a lot of things. He can play campy or aggro. He can build meter. He can pretty much fill the all the roles.

 

[Lythium]

snip because long

Okay, I understand.

You've convinced me. :3c

 

[Pikaville]

Dr Doom has Dantes number IMO.

Anytime he tries teleport moves just use hidden missiles.

The results are hilarious.

You can also punish his millionaire super really easily if you manage to block, just before he does that last big shot you can photon array or just plasma beam.

Hard kick also beats out pretty much all his aerials on teleport.

Photon shot also works anti air wonders.

I'm pretty damn decent with Doom I just need to learn some of his longer trickier combos.

I'm trying to learn his dash>H OTG after aerial string.

I can't do it for the life of me, but if I could there would be trouble.

 

[Pitzer]

A dante would bait out a Hidden Missile wait 1.5 seconds then teleport.

 

[Minato]

Dante has probably the longest and so what damaging combo's in his Damage output group. I believe his Damage output is 63,000. He has a lot of moves, a lot of pressuring, he can pretty much do a lot of things. He can play campy or aggro. He can build meter. He can pretty much fill the all the roles.

Yeah, Dante can pretty much do everything. Also, his midscreen combo deals 730k with meter, corner is like 830k with meter.

Dr Doom has Dantes number IMO.

Anytime he tries teleport moves just use hidden missiles.

The results are hilarious.

You can also punish his millionaire super really easily if you manage to block, just before he does that last big shot you can photon array or just plasma beam.

Hard kick also beats out pretty much all his aerials on teleport.

Why would Dante even do his super outside of a combo?
As for the whole teleport thing, most Dante players will teleport while being backed up with an assist. And while most don't do this, teleport to Hammer is really good because of invincibility and it beats out a lot of moves.

 

[Pitzer]

Dante is God tier like I said before. Also Guys My Chris is getting better. Ironically in my Area the best Player uses Chris, Ammy, Haggar. So me and him talk a lot about Chris stuff. I find it also Ironic that CHris needs a good team to be good. I like how he says Teamwork and etc. Chris Forever my favorite Character in Mvc3

 

[choknater]

i use modok + chris

hilarious keepaway combo lol

 

[Serris]

You know, if it weren't for the fact that Phoenix has extremely low health, she would easily have the advantage on the Hulk. He's way too easy to punish.

 

[Pitzer]

That Full Screen Standing H

 

[Matador]

Your list has no Akuma, Pitzer

 

[Scamp]

Okay, I understand.

You've convinced me. :3c

Wait, whaaaat?

I convinced someone of something on the internet?

First time ever. I don't know what to do.

 

[Lythium]

Wish for a million dollars or something?

 

[Savon]

This is Mvc3. TIRES DON EXITS

Everybody is equally broken.

 

[Pitzer]

I knew I missed someone. Akuma Just broken as hell thats why he aint on.

 

[GHNeko]

This is Mvc3. TIRES DON EXITS

Everybody is equally broken.

Tell that to Hsien and Joe

 

[Matador]

I had no idea Joe was considered bad. All 3 of his hypers are sooooo good.

 

[Savon]

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[GHNeko]

I had no idea Joe was considered bad. All 3 of his hypers are sooooo good.

Joe is MODOK tier

which is the slang term for "This character is underused therefor he is automatically bad until proven otherwise" type deal you see for everyone else. :V

basically.

no one uses joe

 

[Matador]

Joe is MODOK tier

which is the slang term for "This character is underused therefor he is automatically bad until proven otherwise" type deal you see for everyone else. :V

basically.

no one uses joe

Gotcha.

That's what I figured. All I can see that's glaringly bad for him is his dmg output and his range.

Even then, his zoning is decent, and his damage isn't necessarily bad...just not amazing imo.

 

[Sethlon]

So apparently, if you use an assist in a combo, and then Team Aerial Exchange to that character in the same combo, you can't use the assist of the first point character in the rest of the combo.
...

 

[Pitzer]

My god whats up with Roy players and Resident evil

Btw sethlon, some people thought I was you at pound 5, I find it... weird how we both use Green Roy and both have the same first name Alex..

 

[O D I N]

Clones? Long lost brothers?

INVASION? O___O

 

[Smooth Criminal]

Clones? Long lost brothers?

INVASION? O___O

"He loves you."

Smooth Criminal

 

[Sethlon]

My god whats up with Roy players and Resident evil

Btw sethlon, some people thought I was you at pound 5, I find it... weird how we both use Green Roy and both have the same first name Alex..

Clearly we're long lost clone brothers. Nice to know a part of me was able to make it in more than spirit