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Twin Christmas Parties 3+4 Mafia {The Matryoshka Scandal.} ~ Over! Who had the merriest Christmas? Who got lumps of coal?

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(Quickly on another note, @Kantrip, do you think it's possible that Kary is aligned with Sword? I don't remember EVERYTHING that's happened, but there are a few things that are bugging me. Not to seem like I'm spreading FUD and potentially setting myself up to gun for Sword, but his reaction to Kary just feels off.)
Directly aligned? No. But if Kary flips traitor I can see Swords being mafia. One reason is Kary voting Swords recently while saying "this could have happened but can't now". Giving up but still voting a townie? Nope. Trying to distance. This would explain why Swords didn't just say "Kary is town", which I would have believed and moved on. Also Kary would have communicated with scummates about his role, and would have been able to say people visited him.

Circus claimed he visited Kary after Kary was already screwed so that's null, but Swords and Kary are only aligned if Kary is a traitor.

Why Swords though? He's legitimately hesitating at Overswarm's garbage and kept saying Kary could be indy. Is this a slip? Maybe. Maybe Swords knows he's mafia and Kary isn't on his team, so the FUD has an effect in some way. I don't like how he tried to rush the lynch and I don't like how many Ascetic claims we have. I'm not saying Swords is scum, but please don't clear him.
 

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Wait a tick.

Would Sword visiting Kantrip result in Sword getting a result?

Kantrip, this is immensely important. Ask the mod if your role would technically "target Sword" as a result of Sword visiting you...or phrase it in hypotheticals.
I could ask the MOD but I honestly think it doesn't count as a visit. Paraphrasing, my role says that I don't get my result for my ability, and instead anyone who targets me the same Night gets the result. I still do the targeting (aka I targeted Kary, Swords received the result for targeting me). Ascetic doesn't affect this.
 

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FFS people are getting suspicious of me because of how a confirmed scum is interacting with me.

@BarDull: Idk, perhaps the same reason that you didn't?

I initially leaned towards Circus over J because I didn't think that mafia J and mafia Ran would claim masons like that. It seemed more likely to me that Circus was committing a hail marry. Him being an investigative role only confirmed the nature of his role, not his alignment.

But it's not even like I was 100% okay with siding with J. I definitely leaned towards siding with him initially, but that changed as the Day went on. Midway through the thing I was pretty even on the fence between the two.

BarDull, are you forgetting that the fact that Circus being an investigative was public information? I didn't know who the second investigative role on J was until Circus claimed responsibility for it. Circus PUBLICLY announced that he was the second investigative role to visit J Night 3 on Day 5. This information was available to you and everyone else. So why are you framing it like this was something that I exclusively knew?
 

#HBC | Dancer

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Whatever though, I don't think that Kary will flip traitor with only three mafia, and once he does flip I'll be even more cleared than I already am. :woman:
 

#HBC | Kary

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only NOW you ask me for the scumteam? wth; that should be your priority.

what's in it for me, kanty? also I already did and apparently you thought i was joking :embarrass:

also lol @ swords. how am i confirmed scum? so silly.
 

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Trying to figure out what made Swords targeted RR.
Trying to figure out what protected Overswarm N1 (do we know what the misc was?).

Kary there's nothing in it for you except for your subsequent death.
 

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[COLLAPSE="Nights"]
The first morning light shines in, illuminating the club in a gentle glow. Mr. Edogawa's corpse almost seems to be smiling.

Two fresh bodies lay dead on the club's floor.







Potassium was Naoto Shirogane, Town Consulting Detective.







Le Bateleur was Shadow Yumi, Shadow Inquisitor's Aspect.​


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Circus
Overswarm
Ranmaru
Sworddancer.
July
J
Ryker
Private-Joker Brown
Raziek
Chuckie (Kataefi/vanderzant)
Jdietz43
ѕoup
JTB
Kary
Red Ryu






Day 2 has begun! With 15 players remaining, it's 8 votes to lynch!
Deadline has been set for November 18th at 7:00 p.m. EST.
No one feels that they've gotten any sleep. The stark, staring corpses littering the floor keep everyone less than pleased during their cakey breakfast.







Raziek was Elizabeth, Town Volunteer Backup (as Town Jailer).







ѕoup was Shinjiro Aragaki, Town Vigilante.


As a result of Shinjiro Aragaki's Mourned role modifier, the next Day phase will be skipped.
As a result of Shinjiro Aragaki's Vengeful Carebear role modifier, another player was killed.







BRB, Not Posting. was Nyarlathotep, Shadow Inquisitor.​



Someone found a fridge with two sealed trays of Weird Takoyaki and an 24-can assorted pack of TaP Soda, Cylon Tea, 1UP, and Dr. Salt NEO. The group all spent the Day snacking and trading stories about Shinjiro.


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Circus
Overswarm
Ranmaru
Sworddancer.
July
J
Private-Joker Brown
Jdietz43
ѕoup
JTB
Kary
Red Ryu






Night 3 starts now and lasts 60 hours. Deadline has been set for November 19th at 10:00 p.m. EST.
No one died last night.


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Circus
Overswarm
Ranmaru
Sworddancer.
July
J
Private-Joker Brown
Jdietz43
JTB
Kary
Red Ryu






Day 4 starts now! With 11 players alive, it's 6 votes to lynch.
Deadline has been set for November 28th at 4:00 p.m. EST.



(Sorry for my absence at deadline, I was unexpectedly busy.)
A naked man and a bear suit lie dead on the club floor.







July was Naked Teddie, Town Switch-Doctor.​


Seeing Teddie dead really causes it to hit home how serious this situation really is.



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Circus
Overswarm
Ranmaru
Sworddancer.
J
Private-Joker Brown
BarDulL
JTB
Kary





Day 5 has begun! With 9 players remaining, it's 5 votes to lynch!
Deadline has been set for December 9th at 1:00 p.m. EST.
No one died last night.


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Circus
Overswarm
Sworddancer.
Private-Joker Brown
BarDulL
JTB
Kary
Potassium






Day 6 starts now! With 8 players alive, it's 5 votes to lynch.
Deadline has been set for December 22nd at 5:00 p.m. EST.
[/COLLAPSE]
So I can look at them all at once.
 

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which you're already promising me, but not delivering!

you guys

i'd lynch OS if I were you.


p.s. there has been literally zero trolling, 'cept on nabe's part
 

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FFS people are getting suspicious of me because of how a confirmed scum is interacting with me.

@BarDull: Idk, perhaps the same reason that you didn't?
Don't really understand the bolded question. What are you referring to?

I initially leaned towards Circus over J because I didn't think that mafia J and mafia Ran would claim masons like that. It seemed more likely to me that Circus was committing a hail marry. Him being an investigative role only confirmed the nature of his role, not his alignment.

But it's not even like I was 100% okay with siding with J. I definitely leaned towards siding with him initially, but that changed as the Day went on. Midway through the thing I was pretty even on the fence between the two.

BarDull, are you forgetting that the fact that Circus being an investigative was public information? I didn't know who the second investigative role on J was until Circus claimed responsibility for it. Circus PUBLICLY announced that he was the second investigative role to visit J Night 3 on Day 5. This information was available to you and everyone else. So why are you framing it like this was something that I exclusively knew?
I can't remember. Did you announce that an investigative role visited J on the same day Circus claimed? I guess I can see the oddities involving a confirmed investigative fypov vs. someone we were REALLY sure about being Town ending up not actually being Town. I have to read more into this though.
 

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Trying to figure out what made Swords targeted RR.
Trying to figure out what protected Overswarm N1 (do we know what the misc was?).

Kary there's nothing in it for you except for your subsequent death.
Misc was RR, 98% confident on that. Went over this before and will go over this again. Earlier this game (prior to RR's flip) I asked Nabe for examples of roles that would show up as "misc." He stated that anything that feel outside of everything else (kill protect investigate) would show up to me as "misc." He then went on to state one of the examples of a "misc" would be naive roles, or roles that think they're doing something but aren't actually at all. RR's flip was "overconfident child," and he claimed to have protected OS Night 1. "Overconfident child" sounds very much like a naive role, and we know that naive roles show up as "misc" to my result, and we know that RR targeted OS Night 1. One and one and one make 3.

I have no idea how I could redirected, and I don't think that's a mystery we're going to solve.
 

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Trying to figure out what made Swords targeted RR.
Trying to figure out what protected Overswarm N1 (do we know what the misc was?).

Kary there's nothing in it for you except for your subsequent death.
RR is the presumed miscellaneous. He was, in all likelihood, a bogus role (Town "Overconfident" Child). We think Raz was responsible for jailing OS and that OS was targeted by the poison.
 

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Being roleblocked from a jailer doesn't stop a Strongman. I would just like that to be known as I begin my huge post of roles and night actions.
 

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Don't really understand the bolded question. What are you referring to?



I can't remember. Did you announce that an investigative role visited J on the same day Circus claimed? I guess I can see the oddities involving a confirmed investigative fypov vs. someone we were REALLY sure about being Town ending up not actually being Town. I have to read more into this though.
I claimed my results on Day 4 before RR's lynch. I claimed that I saw two investigatives (one being myself) visit J Night 3. Later on Day 5, Circus claimed responsibility for being the second investigate.

The question on top was meant to be kind of a snarky way of calling you hypocritical. Like, knowing that Circus being a confirmed investigative role Day 5, the "message" of the question was that "I disliked Circus despite knowing that he was an investigative role for the same reasons you disliked Circus despite knowing that he was an investigative role."
 

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Bardull tell me about your role again.

You are the Doctor Enabler right?

Does your role PM say you are the enabler for all protective roles, or for all roles with "Doctor" in their name?
 

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If I die, every "Doctor role" that exists will fail to use their ability.

Role PM does not specify whether or not "Doctor" must be in the name of a player's role.
 

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I claimed my results on Day 4 before RR's lynch. I claimed that I saw two investigatives (one being myself) visit J Night 3. Later on Day 5, Circus claimed responsibility for being the second investigate.

The question on top was meant to be kind of a snarky way of calling you hypocritical. Like, knowing that Circus being a confirmed investigative role Day 5, the "message" of the question was that "I disliked Circus despite knowing that he was an investigative role for the same reasons you disliked Circus despite knowing that he was an investigative role."
I did not dislike Circus knowing that he was an investigative role because I did not "know with certainty" that Circus was an investigative role. However, from your point of view, there is a larger degree of likelihood that Circus is legit on the premise that his actions fit your Voyeur results since no one else has counterclaimed Circus for checking J on N3.
 

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Hmm. I ask because I have some memory of Joker saying his role was the enabler for roles with "Cop" in their name.

We have a Yosu-Cop, a Scanner-Cop, a Voyeur-Cop, and a Consulting Detective. My role is the only active investigative to lack the Cop add-on, and I wonder if that means my role still works with Joker dead.

Similarly we had a Posu-Doctor, a Switch-Doctor, and a Jailer. I wonder if the Jailer would have continued to work with you dead.

Trivial, I know. I'm working on my big compilation right now.
 

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I guess I can just restate my role, to attempt to appease Bardull.

Me being alive Enables "Cop" roles to use their main ability.

If my use of the word "investigative" was throwing you off, I suppose I can understand. I'm trying not to break the rules, though, so I reworded it.
PJB's role is similar to mine in almost every respect. It does not specify whether or not "Cop" must be in a role's name, only that "Cop" roles are affected by the Cop Enabler.

The only difference between our claims is that my flavor claim fits my role claim while his flavor claim doesn't make sense for his role (Chie has nothing to do with cops/detectives/investigatives/yada yada in the game.)
 

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Ok I guess I can claim.

I'm Chie Satonaka, Town Cop Enabler.

My role is essentially the same as Bardull's, but it enables all the investigatives instead of protectives. I also have the Ascetic modifier, and I'm scratching my head why the hell so many townies have that.

and I'm wondering why everyone thinks me questioning J is so unreasonable. Please explain how he is confirmed to have revived Kantrip, because I've read nothing indicating that he was the one to do it. All I see is him saying it.
This is the original claim btw.
 

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Thanks.

Do you know Ranmaru's results off-hand?

Who did he Scan D1? I know he scanned OS D2, and D3 was skipped. Then he scanned RR D4?
 

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They're pretty close. I'd put PJB more in the lead because my read on him is more based off of how he's playing rather than connections to others. PJB seems to be playing a more passive role this game and has been reactionary to everything and seems to be more lurky scum. I originally discounted this but the number of last minute saves on this slot is unprecedented and I don't see it occurring for a townie. No one has ever really known what PJB thinks until it shows up.

Bardull has been attaching himself to as many townies as possible. He was replaced by JDietz, another lurker, and afterwards Bardull just attached himself to any person considered town while heavily pushing lynches on very specific people. It'd be one thing if Bardull was a pressure machine grilling everyone, but Bardull just seems to pick one guy at a time to push. I'm gonna hazard a guess and say Circus is town if Bardull is scum, just maybe. Bardull pushed Circus hard but let that die the moment Circus pegged indie J.
Ok, what? Do I just have a big *** target painted on my back or something? What is this garbage? Nobody knows what I'm thinking? I think I've made my thoughts pretty clear all game. I made a read list at one point, I can pull that up for you. Admittedly some of those reads have changed over time, but I'm fairly confident I've made those changes obvious. And I've saved my slot so many times, because every finger that gets pointed at me is bull****.

And based on this post, why exactly am I in the lead? You have all these things to say about BarDulL, but I'm in the lead? Is the fact that a dozen fail fingers have been pointed at me really that much stronger of a point than BarDulL attaching himself to townies? Regardless if either of those points are true, one of them is not stronger than the other. So why me, over BarDulL? The fact that I'm an easier target, who has been attacked all game, has more than a little to do with that.
 

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The reason why I voted OS is because I targetted him D1.

I can only use my action during the day. I get results during twilight.

OS had these characteristics:

Strongman, Potential, Persistence.

I was just asking RR if he was a strongman or not out of curiousity.
Not D1, but D2. Didn't get to use it the third day because of Soup skipping a day.
Yeah, I'm thinking at night to find out who I really am. If I get targetted, then I'd be told I was interrupted.
This will probably help a bit.

I don't think he was able to get results on D1 as a result of not knowing what his role was. He ended up checking Kary D4 and found out Kary was a girl. The rest is history.
 

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Ok, what? Do I just have a big *** target painted on my back or something? What is this garbage? Nobody knows what I'm thinking? I think I've made my thoughts pretty clear all game. I made a read list at one point, I can pull that up for you. Admittedly some of those reads have changed over time, but I'm fairly confident I've made those changes obvious. And I've saved my slot so many times, because every finger that gets pointed at me is bull****.

And based on this post, why exactly am I in the lead? You have all these things to say about BarDulL, but I'm in the lead? Is the fact that a dozen fail fingers have been pointed at me really that much stronger of a point than BarDulL attaching himself to townies? Regardless if either of those points are true, one of them is not stronger than the other. So why me, over BarDulL? The fact that I'm an easier target, who has been attacked all game, has more than a little to do with that.


Why haven't you voted for Kary yet?
 

#HBC | Nabe

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5/8 to lynch.

Kary [
]: Potassium, Circus, BarDulL
Sworddancer. [
]: Kary


Not voting [
]: Overswarm, Sworddancer., PrivateJoker-Brown, JTB

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[collapse=Vote Log] Circus > Kary
Overswarm
Sworddancer. > Kary > Unvote
PrivateJoker-Brown
BarDulL > Kary > Kary
JTB
Kary > Sworddancer
Potassium > Kary
[/collapse]

Day 6 ends December 22th (next Saturday) at 17:00 EST.
 

BarDulL

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On another note, Nabe's avatars are beginning to creep me out. I feel like this lynch is going to blow up in our faces and Nabe is hinting at it...lol.

>That moment when OS is actually right about Kary trying to get everyone killed.

>__________________________________>
 

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Epiphany.

July claimed to target Swords N2 and N3. She died from mafia N4 (aka poison). Her claimed ability makes it so her target is hit with things that would have been on her. The fact that she died of poison rather than Swords proves that her ability didn't go through on him. So this confirms that Swords is Ascetic.
 

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Epiphany.

July claimed to target Swords N2 and N3. She died from mafia N4 (aka poison). Her claimed ability makes it so her target is hit with things that would have been on her. The fact that she died of poison rather than Swords proves that her ability didn't go through on him. So this confirms that Swords is Ascetic.
This is the part where I kinda have to say "waaaait a minute."

Waaaait a minute.

July's ability did infact work on Sword's though. Sword himself admitted to having been redirected as a result of July.
 

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When did Swords say he was redirected by July?

He was redirected to Red Ryu somehow, but that's not even how July's role worked.
 

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I haven't finished J's reads post, but with the direction things are generally going against RR I think it to be important that I claim my role now. Also, I'm really not sure about my survivability at this point, especially after claiming that I have some relevant information earlier, so yeah.

I am Aigis, town weak voyeur-cop. Every Night, I can target a player and see all actions that occurred to that player. I am a "weak" cop though because I can only see the "generic" actions that occur to the player I use my ability on. For example, say I use my voyeur ability on someone who's vigged. The result that I'll get is that I saw a "killing" role target that player that Night. Now say that that mafia tried to Night kill them instead. Same thing, I'll only see that a "killing" role targeted them during the Night.

I also have a role modifier that prevents any other role besides killing roles from effecting me during the Night.

Night 1 I targeted OS. I saw a "kill," a "protect," an "inspect (me)" and a "miscellaneous" target OS that Night.

By Night 2's deadline, I still have yet to catch up. So I just targeted OS again. However, I was forced to target RR (IDK why, the mod just said that I was forced to target RR). The only role that I saw visit RR that Night was my own (I see all Night actions that happen to a player, including my own).

Night 3 I targeted J. Two inspects (one being my own) visited him.

So here's the thing. I was thinking Day 2, after Le's flip, that either the mafia targeted OS or the indie did. If the indie did, then OS is probably an aspect. The thing is is that OS could still be mafia recruited as an indie, which is why his strongman doesn't work. It's just speculation, but nevertheless consider it.

In any case I didn't think him a threat, which is why I didn't claim immediately. If he was an aspect, so what? He wouldn't be able to kill, so I ignored him as a suspect for the time being.

Now I need to ask a question. How does poison work exactly? When does poison finally kill its target?

It's possible, I guess, that if poison is slow enough, RR could have intercepted it. However, I doubt that. IIRC, poison kill at the end of the next Day, unless I am mistaken (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong).

Otherwise, the mafia would have to have had some other means of killing IF the mafia were the ones to target OS Night 1. Which makes sense, I guess. After all, two people died Night 1. If there was poison involved, then only one person would have died (since poison is delayed, and OS was protected from another kill).

Also, while I hate RR's play, this casts him in somewhat of a positive light. I can confirm that a protect did visit OS Night 1. I need to check in with Nabe to see if RR's role would count as a "protect" or a "miscellaneous" (although I doubt he'll directly confirm this for me).

Confused about why I targeted RR Night 2. Nabe's wording was that I was "forced" to target RR, which implies a redirect, but my role modifier makes it so that I shouldn't be effected by redirects. So my only explanation right now is that of a bus driver. Again, another thing that I need to check in with Nabe.

I wanted to wait until OS talked more about his role and JTB said his "revelation" (which btw has went nowhere), but Day light is starting to run short. We have less than 48 hours to lynch, and I want there to be time for everyone to see this and ingest it. \

Anyways, I'll let you guys chew on this information now. For the time being, I'm out.
o.O?

Sword, did you ever get this figured out with Nabe?
 

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I'm just going to claim.

Before N1 I found out my role was Teddie Teddie, Town Dia-Doctor. My role description was that I could protect a player from ANY ability that could kill them during the Night, with a modifier that I could not be targeted by abilities that would protect myself during the Night, so from that point I knew there were multiple protective roles.

I protected Chuckie N1, which is why I was so surprised and became very intrigued by the way D2 played out with the Chuckie wagon.

Then before N2 I found out that I was now Naked Teddie, Town Switch-Doctor. I can now protect someone with my bear suit which protects them for ANY activities which could poison or kill them during the Night or which could change their alignment. My modifiers are Naked, which means that any activities which target me will be redirected to the person on whom I used my active ability, My Fur Makes Two which gives me a second vote, and Potential, which means my role can change again if certain conditions are met.

N2 and N3 I targeted Swords. I'm guessing the Naked ability is why his results got all messed up N2, and I'm guessing that N3 he was the nk target since there was no kill that Night.

RR's claim immediately seemed suspect to me because I'm not sure how many protectives we have, but he spoke with the assumption that there were no other protective roles out there which gave me the feeling he claimed thinking that there would be no doctor counter-claim (even though I didn't protect OS N1), I don't think he expected me to exist. It seemed unlikely for me that his role would apply to protectives as well when there are already quite a few protectives AND when my role was so specific to state that other protectives can not protect me, I'm guessing for balancing issues.

Anyways, Potential and the language of changing roles is what stood out to me about Ran's claim and made me think he's town along with the role itself.

Also, J, in your latest big post you said that Ran has been playing towny so you don't need to worry about him, but that's definitely not the sentiment you had earlier in the Day. What changed?

It's still hard for me to believe that RR's role makes sense in this game with protective roles out the *** already and with the weird circumstances of his role where he backs up everything but alternatively the lynch victim and nk victim or whatever, but his freakout is frustrated townie rather than scummy.

I don't know where to look to now, I disagree with Swords that J is most obvtown next to him, I just don't but as I've said my town reads are much stronger than my scum reads at this point so my cases are weak as hell and I know that.
Here's July's role for future reference.
 

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Three questions are left largely unanswered after my analysis:

What blocked Circus' ability N1?
Why did Swords get redirected to RR?
If OS isn't mafia, why is he playing so badly?

With these answered, everything would truly make sense.
 

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Three questions are left largely unanswered after my analysis:

What blocked Circus' ability N1?
Why did Swords get redirected to RR?
If OS isn't mafia, why is he playing so badly?

With these answered, everything would truly make sense.
Find out on the next exciting episode of DGames Ball Z?
 
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