Twin Christmas Parties 3+4 Mafia {The Matryoshka Scandal.} ~ Over! Who had the merriest Christmas? Who got lumps of coal?

[Kantrip]

Well Ran changed alignment without being recruited. It was just programmed into his role the whole time.

You're here right now. Give me your opinion on the Kary lynch. Give me the scummates you suspect him to have if you agree with it, and give me the scumteam if you disagree with it.

 

[Overswarm]

D5 - 4-5 scum, hint of poisoner and victims may have died to him, hint of recruiter (3 scum, J + Ran)
D6 - 3-4 scum, hint of poisoner and victims may have died to him, hint of recruiter (3 scum)

2 scum died at once and your hint went from 4-5 to 3-4. As OS would say, look at the math. It proves that the only possible scenario is going from 5 scum to 3 scum sans recruiting. But OS would also say use Occam's Razor (or at least I'd expect him to although his recent speculation has thrown that out the window), so we should throw out recruiting too.

Do you even know what Occam's Razor means? When you're specifically told there's a recruiter you factor for that. To do otherwise is idiocy. Do you think there won't be a poison death either?

Your theory on Kary baiting his lynch isn't likely because we got a guilty result backed by both myself and Swords before he started acting all crazy and claiming anti-town roles.

I don't trust you in the slightest.

We don't know how your role determines independents
We don't know if J made you an insane cop
We don't know if J recruited you

If Kary ISN'T the indie, you are, but you're flipping tonight so we will know.

Why does there need to be an indy left? We've already had 2 separate indy factions killed off, what makes you think there are more to find? If there is another indy, it is YOU as an Inquisitor's Aspect. But again, why must there be more indies, and not just one 3-man mafia faction?

If there wasn't an indy then who is the recruiter? Do you think MAFIA can recruit and we have somehow managed to avoid flipping a single recruit up to Day 6?

You think I was recruited on Night 1 and recruited no one all game? I think I might have a tad bit more support.

Yeah don't you think I've been recruited by Indy Delayed Lover Reviver J? Why are you trying to say Kary and myself are BOTH SEPARATE Indy factions. It's so ridiculous I won't even think for a second that you believe it.

I do because it is the safe belief. You will flip toNight; stressing over your slot is pointless. Kary can't be lynched without town and mafia working together and, yet, both sides are working to lynch Kary. I don't see this as a bus because I've been against it since the beginning and, despite this, I have received no support. It would take very little effort on scum's part to agree to No Lynch and let me do all the work. But they haven't. Everyone is for the lynch.

Ergo, independent.

No, the mafia team is a 3-man team with any combination of Kary, you, JTB, PJB, Bardull, Swords, Circus, and me. Why do you think Bardull/Circus/Swords/myself are exempt from the possibility? Sure I could see ruling out me (because apparently I'm indy, or maybe because of mine and Swords result) or Swords, but why the others? Bussing is a thing when your partner is condemned. Are you actually going to tell me you haven't considered that?

I have, but bussing doesn't exist in this scenario because the amount of votes isn't possible.

You are exempt because you're flipping anyway. The others because they have voted. There's no reason to bus Kary; it wouldn't do any good and doesn't need to be done. If Kary didn't want to die all he'd have to say is "Kantrip was recruited, I'm not mafia". Your slot is grimy as hell and definitely has something wrong with it, yet he claims both indy and mafia.

You're looking for certainty and I'm looking for paths to victory. What would an alignment do to win at this point? Fill in the gaps and there's no way Kary would be bussed today. If Kary was going to be bussed he'd have been dead ages ago. Instead mafia went "WTF" because the mafia result is bogus and they know it and they're trying to figure out what is going on same as anyone. They'll go for the lynch now, and we need to stop that because that's what will allow them to win.

If we No Lynch in the situation you think we're in, we enter Kingmaker. Go back to grade school with your math. We also gain nothing by No Lynching but me dying, another person getting poisoned, and it being that much easier for you to go full ****** and pull town down with you (and no this is not implying you're town, I won't believe for a second that you are town with how you're acting).

If we lynch today and miss, we lose.

If we no lynch today and lynch tomorrow and miss, we lose.

But only if there is no independent faction left to keep the game running. If the indy can recruit mafia, the game continues until mafia kills that person. If Mafia had enough to cause a lynch they would lynch Kary in a heartbeat and the game would be over.

Letting you die results in your flip (which explains a ****ing lot), Swords gets to see if someone was poisoned (thus to see if they are a lynch option), and town either gains an edge or retains the same edge they had due to the number drop.

Math, mother ****er.

Not at least. Exactly 2.

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And even in this wall there is still no substantiation for Kary indy.

I'd say the opposite. Kary can not be indy. Mafia would have alpha striked already if there are 3 of them. And if Kary truly wanted to help mafia he could just execute himself right now and they would WIN. The fact that he hasn't done this means he's LYING. Not only about his role, but about being indy. Why would you think for a second you can trust someone claiming scum with a guilty on them who has also been confirmed to be lying about the role he claimed in the mass-claim? What the actual **** OS?

Kary doesn't want mafia to win and mafia are smart enough not to vote for Sworddancer. The likely outcome is that Kary can still recruit and mafia know better than to reveal themselves via an alpha strike. They'd be lynched one after the other if town knew exactly who mafia were and there would be nothing they could do about it; all it'd take is one other indy.

Trusting JTB is also something you shouldn't be doing right now. Sure his handy dandy little numbers results are fun to look at, but hard facts are more conclusive and don't come from a possible scum. Get your head in the game or get out of it. Thank you.

JTB has given us reliable information all game and predicted the existence of a recruiter AFTER the inquisitor and BEFORE J. He's town.

 

[BarDulL]

More votes on Kary please.

 

[Overswarm]

Bardull and Joker are not clear even if their roles are strictly as they claim, Ascetic and all. If scum are the ones with the poison then that doesn't even make them immune to the vig or the Inquisitor. I really do think there's a scum within the Ascetics. Overswarm also thinks this, so why the **** doesn't he want to shoot one toNight?

If we No Lynch, he loses his option to shoot without losing town the game. We can lynch our CONFIRMED SCUM KARY, and he can SHOOT SOMEONE AS WELL. So why the **** is he so paranoid that Kary is indy and we should NO LYNCH, of all things?

Because his role is a lie and he IS NOT TOWN.

Can you all please realize this for me? I won't be here toMorrow to drill it into your heads.

Overswarm needs to die, but the mafia team needs to go first.

How can you not do basic addition.

Really, I need to know.

 

[BarDulL]

Vote: Kary

 

[Overswarm]

You are so definitely scum. -_-;;

 

[BarDulL]

I can say the same about you dude. Three votes on Kary and no QL, unless myself sword and circus are a scum team, you have no case. Kary is 100% scum and the fact that you're ignoring three guilties on him is astounding.

 

[BarDulL]

Like, it's obvious Kary flipped out with his claim because he couldn't claim against circus/kantrip AND sword. Your. Theory is whack.

 

[Overswarm]

I can say the same about you dude. Three votes on Kary and no QL, unless myself sword and circus are a scum team, you have no case. Kary is 100% scum and the fact that you're ignoring three guilties on him is astounding.

Or maybe I'm just more observant than you?

Go ahead Bardull, enlighten me. Fill in the gaps in this game. Tell me who is what alignment right now, and why they're acting the way they are.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

@OS: BarDull or PJB? Why one over the other?

Day ends in about 57.5 hours. I'm not okay with this just being me & Kantrip vs. OS. I want Circus, JTB and PJB in here with opinions, on anything really, but especially who the remaining scum are besides Kary.

@PJB and JTB: Would one of you two be willing to vote Kary toDay?

 

[Overswarm]

They're pretty close. I'd put PJB more in the lead because my read on him is more based off of how he's playing rather than connections to others. PJB seems to be playing a more passive role this game and has been reactionary to everything and seems to be more lurky scum. I originally discounted this but the number of last minute saves on this slot is unprecedented and I don't see it occurring for a townie. No one has ever really known what PJB thinks until it shows up.

Bardull has been attaching himself to as many townies as possible. He was replaced by JDietz, another lurker, and afterwards Bardull just attached himself to any person considered town while heavily pushing lynches on very specific people. It'd be one thing if Bardull was a pressure machine grilling everyone, but Bardull just seems to pick one guy at a time to push. I'm gonna hazard a guess and say Circus is town if Bardull is scum, just maybe. Bardull pushed Circus hard but let that die the moment Circus pegged indie J.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

What do you make of Nabe admitting that he made an information error? Are you factoring that in at all?

 

[Overswarm]

What do you make of Nabe admitting that he made an information error? Are you factoring that in at all?

That never really bothered me. My read on PJB is based on his play, not night actions or mod communication, so him saying "my role PM was ****ed up" doesnt' change anything.

 

[BarDulL]

Kantrip. I need you to check with the mod about who receives your investigative results. Two people presumably targeted you last Night, however only one person received your results. How does priority work for people who receive your note?

 

[BarDulL]

In other words, ask the mod what happens when two people target you. How is it decided whom gets the note?

 

[Overswarm]

Kantrip. I need you to check with the mod about who receives your investigative results. Two people presumably targeted you last Night, however only one person received your results. How does priority work for people who receive your note?

Is this a scum slip I see?

 

[BarDulL]

OS, if you read the thread carefully, you would know that "two people targeting Kantrip" is public information given by Sword. :|

 

[BarDulL]

Oh, I see what you mean now. It's possible two people received results, I'm only assuming that one receives a note because I think Kantrip said only one receives a note? At least, that's how I remember reading his role PM.

 

[BarDulL]

His role claim rather, not his role PM***

 

[BarDulL]

Ahhhh crap, thought I was onto something. Every player receives results...boo. Reason I'm thinking about Sword atm is because July/Kantrip, two players Sword targeted, ended up dying...but this is probably FUD and not worth talking about.

 

[BarDulL]

Er, not dying, but targeted with the poison, or at least I assume Kantrip was targeted by the poison and not some kill that Kantrip was immune to.

Responding to your earlier question now OS.

 

[Overswarm]

Ahhhh crap, thought I was onto something. Every player receives results...boo. Reason I'm thinking about Sword atm is because July/Kantrip, two players Sword targeted, ended up dying...but this is probably FUD and not worth talking about.

Swords, can you claim your night actions / results?

Can anyone here say that they've visited swords and that he is actually ascetic?

 

[Circus]

V/LA today. Going to a concert. If the world is still a thing tomorrow, I'll see you guys then.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

well i guess no-one wanted to swallow the kary indy card. sorry, idk how else you'd justify keeping me alive, best i could come up with.

i really can't do much more from here. wish i could just talk to you so we could sort this out, and end this now, so... :/

about my impending lynch... you're going to love the flip and I hope that it gives you something to work with in the days to come. but the fallout from it isn't going to be pretty because Nabe's stacked my role against you bussing me, and with the revive it means you'll need another lynch.

i imagine you've made up your minds already, but what the hell.

Vote: Swords

it would've been an epic ending. but nevermind.

could've played this one better, should've crumbed this. sorry guys. GL.

 

[Overswarm]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nvuEw9XcuU

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Come on OS, you know that Kary can't be indie unless there was only two mafia or less. JTB's results attest to that.

Anyways, I have to thank you Kary for putting J's slot into perspective for me. Like, I don't know if you were being genuine or not, but it doesn't matter. You brought someone to light wrt Circus's claiming that really helped me see things differently then I was.

OS my results:

Targeted OS Night 1, saw a "miscellaneous" (probably RR), "protect" (either Raz or Chuckie, more likely Raz), a "kill," and myself target him

Targeted OS Night 2, was somehow redirected to RR. Only saw myself visit RR.

Targeted J Night 3, saw myself and an investigate (Circus) visit him.

Targeted July Night 4, only saw myself target her.

Targeted Kantrip Night 5, saw myself and a "kill" target him. Got a note saying that "Kary is mafia."

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Kantrip. I need you to check with the mod about who receives your investigative results. Two people presumably targeted you last Night, however only one person received your results. How does priority work for people who receive your note?

The two people who targeted Kanty last Night was myself and the killer. Hmmm, I wonder why someone else other then me hasn't claimed to have received a result?

 

[Overswarm]

Come on OS, you know that Kary can't be indie unless there was only two mafia or less. JTB's results attest to that.

You know that isn't true.

Anyways, I have to thank you Kary for putting J's slot into perspective for me. Like, I don't know if you were being genuine or not, but it doesn't matter. You brought someone to light wrt Circus's claiming that really helped me see things differently then I was.

What's that?

OS my results:

Targeted OS Night 1, saw a "miscellaneous" (probably RR), "protect" (either Raz or Chuckie, more likely Raz), a "kill," and myself target him

Targeted OS Night 2, was somehow redirected to RR. Only saw myself visit RR.

Targeted J Night 3, saw myself and an investigate (Circus) visit him.

Targeted July Night 4, only saw myself target her.

Targeted Kantrip Night 5, saw myself and a "kill" target him. Got a note saying that "Kary is mafia."[/QUOTE]

How were you redirected to RR?

Does anyone have July's night actions?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

I don't know why I was redirected. Redirects shouldn't be able to effect me, and Nabe told me that I would see bus drivers. The only explanation that I can think of is that targeting you somehow redirected me, but that's inconsistent with me not being redirected by you Night 1.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

You know that isn't true.

You know that that is true!

Day 5 JTB's result said that there were 4-5 scum. We know that J and Ran were two of them. If there were three mafia, then that's it, JTB's result has capped. There is no room there for Kary to be a separate indie unless you reduce the size of the mafia fraction.

 

[Kantrip]

On a Kary traitor flip, look heavily at Swords.

Don't repeat Fire and Lightning lylo with xonar.

 

[Kantrip]

That's paranoia speaking though.

 

[Overswarm]

So you were redirected, but can't be the target of abilities?

Do we have any evidence of you being ascetic?

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

Kantrip, why? Don't betray me now. You're the only true town bro I have, now's not the time to be getting paranoid about me.

@OS: The only thing I can give you to prove myself was the fact that July still died despite the fact that she targeted me, and her role modifiers should have prevented her from dieing. Since she still died, I'm assuming that her role modifiers didn't take effect, and thus still was still effected by poisoning.

 

[BarDulL]

Or maybe I'm just more observant than you?

Go ahead Bardull, enlighten me. Fill in the gaps in this game. Tell me who is what alignment right now, and why they're acting the way they are.

This is such a broad question and it would take me more than an entire day to answer completely, so I'm not going to bother with it. However, I will try to explain Kary's intent toDay though and why I feel he needs to get lynched above pretty much anyone else at this point.

Coming right out of the gate, Kantrip asks Sword what Kary's alignment is, as seen here:

Oh damn you are correct. I was just looking at Jdietz on the living players list and thinking of him in terms of PoE not remembering any actions, and I was remembering Bardull's actions.

That makes it a lot easier (otherwise I would be kicking myself for not picking Jdietz with my NA).

Circus wasn't on me? Circus, explain.

Swords, tell me what alignment Kary is.

Kary if you have results hold onto them please.

However, Kantrip doesn't indicate that he has used an ability yet on Kary. One can argue that the post immediately following Kantrip's question of Sword is indicative that Kantrip may have targeted Kary (Kantrip's thought process goes from asking Sword what Kary's alignment is to asking Kary not to out his results yet), however Kantrip had yet to claim and thus Kantrip's investigation of Kary was still not easily predictable for Kary to prevent.

Kantrip, that was you?

This may have hinted to Kary as well that something was up between Kantrip and Sword WRT the Kary slot, but again, Kantrip's investigative result wasn't completely obvious and was in fact shrouded in a degree of uncertainty.

It depends. Does poison kill at the end of the next Night phase, or in the regular place where Kills occur in the NAR?

But yeah, it was.

Confirmation. Nothing obvious.

Kary is mafia.

This could have raised red flags from Kary's point of view, which suggests that OS' theory of Kary somehow planning this all out (Kary being scum with Kantrip/Sword seems impossible at this point however) is legitimate and he really IS trying to get himself lynched to secure the win for scum, however the following posts are more indicative of the fact that Kary was trying to play away from Kantrip's guilty claim:

i'm too drunk for this ****.


when i first saw the flip i thought it was a joke... then i re-read what J said and thought we'd lost already.

i'm fine holding onto my results for the time being

I'm a little surprised that Kary didn't react to Sword calling him scum here. Seems a little off. Was Kary really drunk? He may have actually been drunk or feigning ignorance, but Sword is in something of a power position in Town as he has verifiable Voyeur results in accordance with other players from what I can remember, so Sword's assertion of Karyscum should have been considered an immediate threat. If we assume Sword is Town though, the most likely scenarios occurring is that either Kary couldn't necessarily stand up to an accusation from Sword as a result of Sword's positioning, Kary really was drunk, or Kary was feigning confidence and ignoring Sword's assertion.

Kary I take that back, out your results now. It's fine that you're drunk, it doesn't involve any thinking (unless you're scum).

Circus has some explaining to do wrt his Night Action choices.

Kantrip asks Kary to out his results. Of course, Kary is not aware that Kantrip has a guilty on him, so unless Kary is The Mentalist, Kary can't foresee that Kantrip/Sword have a guilty on him as a result of Kantrip investigating Kary. This means that Kary could not have predicted that Kantrip investigated him, and thus Kary's initial motive walking into Day 6 did NOT involve Kary committing suicide. I will further elaborate on this point in the following:

hmm

no-one visited me last night

Oh snap. Hard body time. There's really not much to say here. Kary's role is fake (as we all know at this point), so Kary could not have known with any sense of certainty how many people checked him. Personally, I would have looked at the red flag raised by Sword and said "OMFG SOMETHING'S UP" and perhaps tried something gutsy, but Kary didn't. I'm pretty much chopping it up to be either Kary really was drunk (lol) or he did not have the foresight to avoid the play that was coming towards him.

Joker stfu you are scum.

Kary is lying.

THE CALLOUT.

if kanty is town

what the **** is going on

This is the part where I'm certain my theory regarding Kary is correct. Kary suggests here that it's possible Kantrip is scum and feigns that he has absolutely no idea what's going on. Of course, this is the only strong play Kary can make as a result of not having the foresight to predict Kantrip investigating him. The only true solution to the problem here is for Kary to force a trade situation between himself and Kantrip and hopefully getting Kantrip lynched as a result before Kary himself is lynched the following Day.

Now I can explain my role.

As you've already seen my flip, you know what I'm called.

Town Consulting Detective.

The Detective part is a standard cop. The Consulting part is the part I didn't want to explain yesterDay.

Instead of receiving my results, they go to players that target me in the same Night. Hence me asking Circus for Kary's alignment at first, only to find out from Swords that he didn't target me, and a kill did instead. Whomever poisoned me also got the result (I'd laugh if it was Kary and he gets a PM telling him he is mafia). So since Swords targeted me, he gets the result of who I visited. I targeted Kary (with confirmation that my action went through), and Kary says he wasn't visited. Not only this, but Swords got my result, and Kary is mafia.

Joker trying to discredit me right now is disgusting. I was targeted with a Kill and am dying by poison apparently, Joker. Treat me as clear for the Day or go **** yourself.

@Swords: OS getting targeted with a kill is hard for me to explain. With so many swingy things in this game there IS an explanation, I just don't want to try to come up with it because the chance of me actually getting it right is slim to none.

Not much to say here. Kantrip explains his role and explains why Kary must be, without a doubt, scum.

swords i take it you did receive a pm of some description

kanty you get confirmation that your action went through? how so?

Kary begins to question the legitimacy of Kantrip's claim. This is the only play Kary can make as scum as a result of Kary committing himself to claiming that he was visited by NO ONE. This is because, as scum, his only two options include feigning ignorance and instilling the seeds of doubt in Kantrip's claim, because to do anything else is to essentially throw his hands up in the air without putting up a fight, which is to directly go against his win condition in the first place. This wasn't some kind of pre-planned ridiculous play as OS suggests, but rather Kary had committed himself to no one having visited him and followed up accordingly with how scum would have followed up.

I got a note last Night saying that Kary is mafia.

This is confirmation of Kantrip's claim.

what about OS shooting safely? presumably if OS could shoot safely toNight he could've done so last night. so why didn't he?

the hell's going on already. kanty, who's scum?

Feigning ignorance whilst questioning Kantrip. What other choice does he have at this point?

I want to make a note here Kary HAS NOT thrown his hands up in the air yet and subsequently given himself up to a lynch. He is still fighting here as seen in this post. The assertion that Kary had every intention of selling himself off toDay is completely ridiculous and makes absolutely no sense when you consider the intent in his play leading up to the coup de grace.

The reason I chose Kary over JTB or other question marks/possible scum is because I would be able to check if his ability is real as well as giving someone else a result on him.

Swords' reaction to me asking for Kary's alignment says to me that he did receive my result, confirming he targeted me as well as confirming I targeted Kary. Kary saying no one visited him is a lie from Kary. Swords' result saying Kary is mafia came BEFORE this lie, and serves to reinforce it.

There is a 0% chance of Kary getting out of this. Joker, that was when you should have started bussing. You've sealed your own fate as well.

There is no discrepancy, there is no inconsistency, there is no question.

Swords targeted me, not Kary.

He got the result on Kary because of my role.

Nothing was interfered with.

Further elaboration and repetition from Kantrip. *brofist* SuperScumKary must be scum, yada yada.

aight there is way too much **** going on. beginning to think my role may be bogus if kanty did visit me, because it looks like the only alternative is kanty being scum, which makes his J vote yesterday hella weird. regardless, don't like his play today, too rushed. but whatever.

Kary feigns ignorance and IS STILL PLAYING TO HIS WIN CONDITION AT THIS POINT IN TIME. He is not throwing himself off a cliff intentionally at this point in time. There is no miracle scum play at work here. And now, for the coup de grace:

Hey, guys. I logged in just long enough to get my NA's and skim some ****.

I decided to investigate Kary last Night because he had been an itch I'd been wanting to scratch for while and J's flip (another recruiting role?!) had made me wary of listening to Kantrip.

My results were that Kary is a female who does not go to Yasogami High School. I'm not sure if that fits with Kary's claim or not yet because I don't remember what he claimed, but it sounds like Kary's claiming that no one visited him last Night, which is a flat out lie.

I can tell I'm definitely going to need to do some rereading.

Also, I really ****ing thought I had Jscum yesterday (which we technically did, but not the way I thought). THIS. ****ING. GAME.

I'll get more into this in a bit when I get a chance to really read the thread and organize my thoughts, but I think it goes without saying that we need to start planning out our final moves here. Kary's looking like a good option toDay already, but I encourage everyone to chill for a second and read before anybody casts a vote.

Kantrip, can you tell me what your plan was when you asked me to target you yesterDay? Maybe you've already answered this; I haven't read thoroughly yet. I just want to know what the strategy was.

Circus claims to have investigated Kary. That's TWO discrepancies in Kary's claim. Without much choice, and with Circus/Sword/Kantrip/Myself looking at Kary with pitchforks and torches, Kary figures out that he can no longer feign ignorance/potentially undermine Kantrip's role any longer because he'd have to undermine Circus as well, OR he'd have to write up a compelling novel about how Sword/Circus/Kantrip must be scum together. However, this is pretty much impossible at this point because Kantrip was confirmed Town but then revived by an Indy, the same Indy that was forced into a you/me situation with Circus (Circus claimed guilty on J/Ran). This means that Circus CAN NOT be scum aligned with Kantrip unless there was some BS alignment change that occurred between yesterDay and toDay because Circus being scum with J/Ran would be absolutely ******** at this point. Finally, Sword has verifiable Voyeur actions according to other players and is in pretty high standing as Town. This is mostly why I find OS' assertion of Kary making some kind of miracle play highly unlikely, and that it's a thousand times more likely that Kary realized he could not weave a compelling enough tale to discredit Circus/Sword/Kantrip while also under the pressure of myself.

ok. spent so long thinking about this. here's how this goes down. i'm

Shadowy Shadow Skipdiddly-do Mitsuru of Shadows, Shadow Ice-Executioner


toDay i'm kingmaker


i'm tired of this game.

mafia, would you like to win right now? if so please vote swords. this obviously involves trusting me, so ehh.

i think that's everything?

This is the white flag. However, Kary's claim doesn't even begin to make sense for a couple reasons. The first reason is that Sword has a MAFIA guilty on Kary, that's numero uno. Secondly, Kary advocating to help the mafia win on the premise of Kary being an Indy doesn't even begin to make sense either. If there IS scum intent here, perhaps he's trying to rush the lynch? I'm a little confused though at why he chose Sword. At first I sensed that Kary was intentionally trying to wifom against Sword, because to go for Sword at this point is odd considering Kary was initially gunning for OS...I don't really know what to make of this play at all, really.

Kary you tramp, you're forcing me to make a judgement call.

My result said that you're mafia Kary, but you're claiming indy.

If you're telling the truth, then town has lost this game. We need to quick lynch you. I can't risk that you're lying.

Vote: Kary

@Everyone: Executioner cuts the votes required to lynch by half. If Kary is actually executioner, then it will only take three votes to lynch me.

This bugged the crap out of me because Sword disregards Kantrip's Mafia guilty on Kary. I don't really know what this means either. If Sword's is Town, then he was either being silly or he did not trust Kantrip at that point in time.

You're gonna believe a floundering condemned scummie over the result you got and try to rush the lynch?

Don't worry so hard, Swords. He's just trapped in a corner and trying to do whatever he can to help his team before his death. Don't make that easier for him.

JTB did you get something as a result? I never really understood how your role works.

These are my thoughts exactly. o_O.

(Quickly on another note, @Kantrip, do you think it's possible that Kary is aligned with Sword? I don't remember EVERYTHING that's happened, but there are a few things that are bugging me. Not to seem like I'm spreading FUD and potentially setting myself up to gun for Sword, but his reaction to Kary just feels off.)

ah wait, no, sorry.

i'm probably not the indy in this scenario, am I? That would probably be OS.

If I was indy and he was mafia, this game would be over. two votes on me confirms it.

I'm Shadow Mitsuru, Mafia Traitor Ice-Executioner

Can we please kill someone already? OS is probably the safest shot in case he has a kill, but hell, i'd love to stab Swords in the back right now.

this game should be OVER! :D

"Stab Sword in the back." I really don't understand why he picked SWORD above anyone else, especially when Sword has fairly good positioning. This is mostly why I've begun to suspect Sword just a bit, alongside the fact that July died as a result of Sword's presumed Voyeur ability. If you guys recall, everyone Sword has targeted has also been targeted by a kill ability...I THINK. OS, July, and Kantrip come to mind IIRC.

Either way, the entirety of my case in a nutshell is that Kary is without a doubt the play toDay, and anyone suggesting that he isn't (OS) needs to jump off a proverbial cliff. Kary's intent going into toDay was to, after claiming no one visited him, feign ignorance and attempt to undermine the legitimacy of Kantrip's role. After Circus claimed that he also visited Kary, alongside pressure from myself and Kantrip/Circus/Sword, felt that he had no other choice but to surrender and potentially spread FUD and WIFOM. He may or may not be intentionally distancing himself from Sword, but I'm not entirely certain.

OS, I can't even begin to understand why you're trying to trust Kary at his word. He is CONFIRMED SCUM. Jesus.

This needs to be reiterated.

 

[BarDulL]

Actually, I DO want to talk about the potential of Sword being scum just a bit. I have no intentions of not throwing Kary off the cliff, but there are some things that are definitely bugging me about Sword's play in hindsight that need to be addressed. I'll do it either today or tomorrow, but it will assuredly be before deadline. Kinda mafia'd out after that one post and I also feel like playing some of my new video games.

 

[#HBC | Dancer]

*taps fingers*

BarDull, I really was just being derpy. I even acknowledge the fact that his claim was in contradiction with my result in that same post you quoted. I was, at the time, thinking that indie might have shown up on my note as mafia. Plus, imo I rebounded from that pretty quickly.

I also targeted J and RR, but no one Night killed them.

 

[BarDulL]

Regardless of that explanation, I still have some questions for you. Later though.

 

[BarDulL]

Wait a tick.

Would Sword visiting Kantrip result in Sword getting a result?

Kantrip, this is immensely important. Ask the mod if your role would technically "target Sword" as a result of Sword visiting you...or phrase it in hypotheticals.

 

[BarDulL]

Also, Sword, if an investigative DID in fact target J, why were you leaning on lynching Circus when you knew he visited J?

More questions to come later.