Twin Christmas Parties 3+4 Mafia {The Matryoshka Scandal.} ~ Over! Who had the merriest Christmas? Who got lumps of coal?

[Overswarm]

I'm going to bed.
babrea
baerbkalejbaebjaekb

the puppy is in my spot

she has her head on my pillow

****

 

[BarDulL]

OS, it was literally just an idle comment yo.

lol

Yeah I'm thinking I'm going to bed too. This has literally been the most heated discussion ever.

 

[Overswarm]

There are no idle comments.

/bed

 

[#HBC | J]

I've requested a room ban from DGames till Sunday when most of finals will be over. I'll only be keeping tabs through what Ranmaru tells me in our QT or if he catches me on Skype at a good time. If I am not back by the time deadline is over or there is no extension going to be given then I feel I need to have my vote where I want it.

Vote: Circus

 

[Circus]

Okay I am just going to make this open and out there so that people don't keep getting annoyed at me. I apologize for this and I would love the time to debate with Circus because it is so much fun but I honestly cannot take up the time to play huge walls at this time. A lot of the game is centralizing around me and it came at the worst time due to finals and I am not risking losing my #1 spot in classes just because of a mafia game.

I am going to be V/LA till Sunday at the minimum due to my finals. I would like to request that everyone asks for a deadline extension so that I may be able to actually play because I am getting overwhelmed with the amount of questions and walls being posted at me from various players and I can't respond with short paragraphs/one liners.

I hope you all understand and I truly feel terrible having to just pull the V/LA card but my grades are important to me in college now that I have the chance to go to some of the better performing arts schools.

J, you can give us your Night Actions right now. In one line. You claimed bodyguard. Who have you been guarding?

I won't accuse you of outright making up excuses to stall for time because I think better of you than that, but you're seriously pushing it with this. You've tried to wiggle out of every facet of your claim that you can, each time it's asked of you. Every chunk we know had to be acquired through teeth pulling. It's like you're just trying to dodge everything until everyone else gets fed up and just lynches me because they can't even talk to you.

Request deadline extension, because why the hell not?

 

[#HBC | J]

Dude, if I had the time I would love to be debating you however time just isn't with me which I even let Nabe know when the game started but I didn't think it would last this long.

N1: Chuckie
N2: Swords
N3: Ranmaru
N4: Ranmaru again due to him masoning me.

What info about my role do you want else Circus? I have given you every detail I know and have repeated it as well so saying that it has been "pulling teeth" to get info is a load of bull. You are not understanding this Circus because you fail to see it from my PoV. You are my biggest scum read who I know for a damn well fact is trying to pull a hail mary on my slot and you have been one of my scum reads since not just toDay but for a couple of phases. That has been known. The thing you don't get is the reason I am not giving you the information that you are claiming to need is because I don't believe you at all and see no reason why I should be co-operating with someone who I know is garunteed scum. It doesn't make sense to me as to why. Some of your questions are just and fair to ask for the rest of town to ask as well but I am not going to hand everything to you on a silver platter. It is illogical for me to do as such and you are being stubborn on this fact.

In fact, most of your points on me only have little truths and do not have full truths which I plan to expose when I get the time but yeah I have an assignment due in 30 minutes online and I am here posting. Ya see the problem?

 

[Kantrip]

I appreciate that people are being cautious and considering Kantripscum, but due to numbers isn't that impossible? You guys were in LyLo coming into this Day phase, weren't you?

Also, "Inspect" in the Natural Action Resolution is the last thing to resolve, so I died before I could get a result. Therefore anything Bardull was trying to say about J reviving me being risky is dumb and I wish he did a bit of research, as I'm sure the scumteam did if J is on it before selecting me for reviving.

My role could be quite useful in our current situation if we were to No Lynch and be sure that we would be safe doing so. Due to the nature of this game, however, I think it's safe to say a No Lynch would not be a good idea.

Nonetheless, someone talk to me about the idea. I could use my role to great effect if, and only if, I could help to guide a number of our Night action choices.

 

[Circus]

N1: Chuckie
N2: Swords
N3: Ranmaru
N4: Ranmaru again due to him masoning me.

There. Seems like that wasn't so hard.

Question: Earlier toDay (in fact, very recently), you said you were pretty sure that Ranmaru is ascetic. Why did you decide to Bodyguard him if that's the case? Especially considering you are not ascetic. Also, what made you decide to guard Ran on N3 rather than guarding Swords again?

What info about my role do you want else Circus? I have given you every detail I know and have repeated it as well so saying that it has been "pulling teeth" to get info is a load of bull. You are not understanding this Circus because you fail to see it from my PoV. You are my biggest scum read who I know for a damn well fact is trying to pull a hail mary on my slot and you have been one of my scum reads since not just toDay but for a couple of phases. That has been known. The thing you don't get is the reason I am not giving you the information that you are claiming to need is because I don't believe you at all and see no reason why I should be co-operating with someone who I know is garunteed scum. It doesn't make sense to me as to why. Some of your questions are just and fair to ask for the rest of town to ask as well but I am not going to hand everything to you on a silver platter. It is illogical for me to do as such and you are being stubborn on this fact.

It has been like pulling teeth because even after I claimed my name and role title, you still (at first) refused to give me a single detail of your role until I announced my Night Actions. Which is unreasonable unless you had something to hide. Clearly you did.

When you first claimed, you didn't even give me the actual name of your character.

We found out how you got your revival ability long after you claimed it. People spent a lot of time thinking you started out with that ability, and you let them believe it because that suited you for a while.

I just learned your alleged Night Actions after having to ask you for them multiple times, days after you claimed your role.

Yes. I think "pulling teeth" is a pretty appropriate metaphor for what we're doing here.

In fact, most of your points on me only have little truths and do not have full truths which I plan to expose when I get the time but yeah I have an assignment due in 30 minutes online and I am here posting. Ya see the problem?

I look forward to it. Get your assignment done. I'm off to bed.

 

[BarDulL]

Also, "Inspect" in the Natural Action Resolution is the last thing to resolve, so I died before I could get a result. Therefore anything Bardull was trying to say about J reviving me being risky is dumb and I wish he did a bit of research, as I'm sure the scumteam did if J is on it before selecting me for reviving.

None of us knew that you didn't receive a result dude. How can scum do any research at all on something they can't possibly know unless Nabe told the scum team himself???

 

[Circus]

I appreciate that people are being cautious and considering Kantripscum, but due to numbers isn't that impossible? You guys were in LyLo coming into this Day phase, weren't you?

Also, "Inspect" in the Natural Action Resolution is the last thing to resolve, so I died before I could get a result. Therefore anything Bardull was trying to say about J reviving me being risky is dumb and I wish he did a bit of research, as I'm sure the scumteam did if J is on it before selecting me for reviving.

My role could be quite useful in our current situation if we were to No Lynch and be sure that we would be safe doing so. Due to the nature of this game, however, I think it's safe to say a No Lynch would not be a good idea.

Nonetheless, someone talk to me about the idea. I could use my role to great effect if, and only if, I could help to guide a number of our Night action choices.

I clearly must not know what your role actually does. Explain it and I'll read it tomorrow and weigh in.

Unless there's a way to actually gain new information this way, I'm hesitant to say it could do any good to No Lynch, since toMorrow would just end up being me vs. J, just like it is toDay. But get at me and we'll see.

Good night, world.

 

[Kantrip]

Circus is incriminating J and Ran.
J is discrediting PJB.
Bardull and OS are slinging **** at each other.
Bardull and Circus are slinging **** at each other.
PJB is fence-sitting between J and Circus.
Overswarm seems to be siding with Circus in the J/Ran vs Circus, thus making it a J/Ran vs Circus/OS in my eyes.
I think Swords and Kary are town, personally.

That thing from J that Circus quoted in his last post is so gross agggghhhhhh.

Why does my brain keep bouncing back and forth between two teams?!?!

@Bardull: Look up Natural Action Resolution. Kills resolve before Investigatives. That's just kind of how it works.

@Circus: My role has an element to it that I'm hesitant to out, but that is also necessary to know in order to make proper use of my role. If I could direct some Night actions I'd be able to use it, and the result would be a definitive innocent or guilty on any player in this game. Yes, I could settle the OS/Circus vs J/Ran this way.

 

[#HBC | J]

Yes, I could settle the OS/Circus vs J/Ran this way.

If you could settle this debate, talk. Now, not later. I revived you because I personally felt that you would have info to help shed lights on things and if you actually can do it then yeah.

Also I didn't know that Investigatives go before Kill in NAR because it's pretty much dependant on how the mod would like it.

 

[BarDulL]

Also I didn't know that Investigatives go before Kill in NAR because it's pretty much dependant on how the mod would like it.

^^^^^^^This.

 

[Kantrip]

No J, investigatives go AFTER kills. Inspect-based abilities are typically the very last things to resolve and, therefore, the easiest to tamper with. But either way, now you know. I've got nothing right now.

I don't know what standard detectives do, but my role is basically a cop. As I said, there is a stipulation that makes the way I need to use my ability more difficult, but it is easy to overcome and if we No Lynch to use my ability, I can ensure conditions are met that allow it to go off without a hitch.

J, your revive ability informed you that I would come back with the same role and alignment, right? I'd assume yes, but I want to make sure.

 

[#HBC | J]

Yes, it said you would come back 100% as the same role and ability and everything.

What is your plan, Kanty?

 

[Kantrip]

I need to lay everything out before I'll have an answer to that.

Circus - Gender/Do they attend whatchamacallit school cop
Overswarm - Back-up vig
Ranmaru - Confused scanner cop (lost his active ability and now gets informed if someone targets him?)
Sworddancer. - Weak voyeur
J - Bodyguard
Private-Joker Brown - Cop enabler
BarDulL - Doc enabler
JTB - Finds out random stuff
Kary - Self-watcher
Potassium - Essentially cop

The essentials. Do I have all of that right?

 

[#HBC | J]

Ranmaru is no longer confused "scanner cop" since he found his mason partner which was a result of his confusion.

Otherwise yeah you have it everything.

 

[Kantrip]

J you said you think Ran has 'Ascetic'. So why did you feel the need to Bodyguard him last Night?
You and Ran both have 'Potential', right?

Does anyone know what the 'Persistent' modifier does, or has OS explained that yet? This matters and I hate how difficult it has been to discover.

@J: Wait so Ran has his initial ability back again? So he started not confused, got a N1 result on Overswarm, became confused, and then somehow magically became masoned with you and was not confused once again?

 

[#HBC | J]

I'll have Ranmaru clarify that question to you.

Aestic protects from poison, not from the NK. I protect from NKs, not the poison. However Ranmaru never got around to posting his role pm in our QT so I have no way of knowing the aestic thing for real till he gets back.

 

[Kantrip]

Kary is a female. That's all I got for him.

Claim clash with Circus in receiving the same kind of information. Apparently Ran gets role modifiers or genders or some other random stuff. Of course this conflict makes sense because one of Ran/Circus is scum.

The reason why I voted OS is because I targetted him D1.

I can only use my action during the day. I get results during twilight.

OS had these characteristics:

Strongman, Potential, Persistence.

I was just asking RR if he was a strongman or not out of curiousity.

Yeah, I'm thinking at night to find out who I really am. If I get targetted, then I'd be told I was interrupted.

Never mind, I understand now. Ran's ability was always there, and his confusion was always there. After 3 Nights of uninterrupted thinking it seems like he discovered his true self and gained his one-shot mason ability.

I am J's Mason. I realized who I really am last night. I am Rise Kujikawa, Town Certain Mason-Scanner-Cop. Realizing my true self was the purpose of my thinking each night. I still can cop characteristics during the day, but was able to use a night action to target someone and possibly become a mason. If they were not town, I would then die. I chose J because he was my town read.

Here are the directions I'd like to go with today: Circus, PBJ, and OS.

Wrt, notice how he pushes Bardull AND J to claim before him. Then, he states that he has a result on only one of them, and was roleblocked on the other. This, is bull****. This seems like he was trying to push a lynch on whoever he could, and just say he was roleblocked with the other. He really didn't have a reason to be pushing Bardull. He says he wanted to see if we were dealing with a roleblocker, but I don't see how that would actually determine if there was or not.

PBJ, I realize Swords has now picked up some things I got from him. (Post #1014) For example, his scumreads. PBJ just reads fake trying to appease the masses. His trying to discredit J by him possibly not being a reviver, seems like he is trying to find any way he can to call J scum. His statement of 'looking at J's interaction with Kantrip" is disgusting. He isn't really looking at things with a townie mindset, he's just going with public opinion. Here is him re-evaluating me Post #1144, here he's fine with leaving me as town since my role can 'clear' him.

And OS. We don't see any other killing roles claiming, so this in itself is concerning. It's possible he may be X-shot and is saving a shot for endgame, so I do think he has to be dealt with sooner than later.

Okay so Ranmaru realized his true self N4 and masoned J.

@J: Did you gain the revive ability as a result of being masoned by Ran, or was it a facet of your own role?

 

[BarDulL]

I had potential in my original PM so I believe had something to do with it in the beginning and it made sense with how things worked out. It was just "Ran gives you Revive". It was "You have gained a new ability!" Hope that makes sense.

Woops, made an error in my haste to type that up.

It should read like this:

"It wasn't just "Ran gives you Revive." It was "You have gained a new ability!"

@J: Did you gain the revive ability as a result of being masoned by Ran, or was it a facet of your own role?

You are welcome senor.

 

[#HBC | Kary]

and then I realized that Ranmaru might be naive, which threw another spanner in the works :/

maybe Ran just thinks J is confirmed town, and he wouldn't have died if he did target scum. It fits too well with his role in terms of having been confused. I don't know. I still think J is town, and am prepared to clear Ranmaru on the back of that, but I see a lot of people having their reads go in the opposite direction.

I just keep banging my head against a wall with regards to Ranmaru's role. N4 masonizer seems real strong and swingy, especially given if Ran had chosen wrong he could have thrown the game :/ I don't actually want to ask if there's anything more to the role (in case there's something pro-town worth omitting), but damn if this doesn't leave me scratching my head.


on top of that, I have a theory which involves OS actually being indy, but I need to work it through and see if it makes sense with all the stances flying about. Kinda regretting not just rolling with what I said last, but I was a little tipsy when I made that post and i'm not sure I play any better that way.

this is why I dislike crazy setups :/

 

[Overswarm]

<3 your avatar Kary


I'm confused though.

Ran said he got three words for me, but for Kary he just got "she's a girl!"? What other actions occurred?

Kary can you confirm that Ran investigated you?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Deadline is extended to 12/12 at 1 p.m. (as I won't be here the 11th)

 

[Overswarm]

next wednesday for the lazy

 

[BarDulL]

Each night, if I'm targeted by anyone I will learn which players targeted me (but not what actions they performed), but despite being prime target for investigation, i've not received any results :/

for the lazyswarm

 

[Overswarm]

so

ran targeted kary
ran targeted me

he got my role correct
but kary says there was no visit

wat

 

[BarDulL]

Ran uses his ability during the day phase and gets his results during twilight. Kary's ability only works when he is targeted at night to my understanding.

 

[Overswarm]

That is... convenient.

 

[Overswarm]

Oh and where is that case Bardull?

 

[BarDulL]

That is... convenient.

THIS IS NOT AN IDLE COMMENT!!!!!!!!! YOU MUST BE SCUM!!!

Spoiler

:trollface:

Heading to class in a bit, sorry broswarm.

 

[Overswarm]

That isn't an idle comment. It is another note on top of a pile of deus ex machina moments.

Kary claims to be a self-watcher and can see people who visit during the Night only and Ranmaru's ability is used only during the day. Ranmaru's ability is the only ability in the game to be used during the day.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

Actually, there's another daywalker. His buddy J revived Kantrip during the day.

 

[Circus]

@Circus: My role has an element to it that I'm hesitant to out, but that is also necessary to know in order to make proper use of my role. If I could direct some Night actions I'd be able to use it, and the result would be a definitive innocent or guilty on any player in this game. Yes, I could settle the OS/Circus vs J/Ran this way.

Sounds good to me. We might as well keep that in our back pocket if I can't convince you guys to vote J by deadline. We got an extension; we might as well use it.

Ranmaru is no longer confused "scanner cop" since he found his mason partner which was a result of his confusion.

Word choice is interesting here. Were you always the mason partner he was designated to find, or was Ran able to mason whoever he wanted? Ran's explanation of the ability made it sound like the latter, but the way you describe it here makes it sound like the former.

Ranmaru, where are you?

Aestic protects from poison, not from the NK. I protect from NKs, not the poison. However Ranmaru never got around to posting his role pm in our QT so I have no way of knowing the aestic thing for real till he gets back.

Do you expect anyone to believe that, by N4, you still thought it was plausible that we would have to worry about both a poison kill and a standard Night Kill?

Also, let's unpack this: you're a Bodyguard. Not a Doctor, a Bodyguard. You don't just protect people from NKs; you take the shot for another player.

Let's assume for a second that you really were afraid of the possibility of both a poisoning attempt and a standard mafia NK being present. What was your rationale for guarding Ranmaru?

By guarding Ranmaru you accomplished the following

1) make sure Ran does not die from a standard NK

which also

2) doubles your own chances of being killed (killer targets you or killer targets Ran)

and

3) doubles your own chances of being poisoned (poisoner targets you or poisoner targets Ran, the latter of which is actually negative utility since, if you simply hadn't targeted Ran, the poison should just fail if you think he's Ascetic).

When you make the decision to bodyguard someone, you are essentially putting higher value on their lives over everyone else in the game, including yourself. What made you value Ran higher than yourself on N4? Didn't you get a nifty Reviving ability that Night that you would not have been able to use if you had died guarding Ran? Was Ran's role more important to you than your ability to revive another player? Let's keep in mind, you could have simply chosen not to guard anyone, yes?

Also, you still haven't explained what made you decide to guard Ranmaru on N3 instead of just guarding Swords again. What drove you to do that?

 

[JTB]

So I've been spending the week on others game and I'm done putting this off. I'm not going to post reads on every single player as I know I'll just overwhelm myself and ignore
the game again.

So i want to know which players are the most important right now and necessary to have a read on. I've seen Circus' name thrown around alot, so I'm assuming he's one i need to read first. Give me other names to and I'll get actual content up tonight after work.

 

[Overswarm]

Circus and J

go

domino after that

if we lynch town I shoot the other

 

[Overswarm]

V/LA for a day or two

Sworddancer:

philosophical question. We lynch Circus and he flips town. Should I shoot J, or should we just lynch him tomorrow and determine who I shoot with the new Night Action results?

 

[ranmaru]

wait a minute
Ranmaru
Why did you ask Red Ryu if he had the Strongman characteristic?
<snip>

I had already found out that you were strongman, so I was asking RR if he had it since he claimed vigging PBJ. I was wondering if I should have outed that information or not, if Ryu would have said yes I might not have outed it (since more than one strongman might not mean necessarily scum), and would ask his opinion of strongman possibly being scum. Of course, I was fine with saying there was a strongman in the town but not saying who it was if it might have been a town strongman somehow. Role results are harder to claim rather than simple innocents/guilties because you don't actually want to stump town and help scum by doing so.

Ranmaru How did you mason J? What language was used for you specifically? What have all your Night Actions been, why did you use them on who, and what were all your results?

I masoned him by using the command Mason: J. I have been thinking to find my true self for three nights, and realized my trueself Night 4. I then targetted J because he was my towniest read at the time. (see: my response to you about reads) I still have my day ability I can use.

I'm also not ascetic.

OS, why do you read Swords as town? Since when?

 

[ranmaru]

Vote: Circus

Smash fest tommorow and staying over.

 

[#HBC | Joker]

So you could have chosen to Mason with ANY player you wanted, you just chose J?

Do you think him gaining a Revive ability that same night is related to you masoning him, or do you think it's just coincidence, and his role was gonna change anyway?