Trigun Mafia (GAME OVER! TOWN WINS! Night Actions/Results/PMs posted!)

[smashman90]

It states that the sword came for me, it failed, then gunfire started.

A sword you say? The only gung-ho gun that I know that uses a sword is Rai-Dei the Blade. If this is true, then I think we may have all of our mafia/independent characters now. We have Knives, Legato, Monev(deceased), Elendira, and Rai-Dei. So that leaves at least 4 mafia/independents left, but the question is who are they? So we should have about eight townies left, right?

 

[Kada]

Dang, that's a shame. I resolved to actually be useful for this day. I was all caught up, school's up and running and everything. <_<. Ah well, there probably isn't anyone who's actually that disapointed. o_O It's 100% CSI Mafia from now on I guess. I need to get caught up on that one, now that I'm finished here. Good luck guys, sorry I couldn't have been any more useful sooner. <_<

 

[Blazer]

If you were attacked then there must be three different groups with killing abilities, the katanaist, mafia, and another vig or the like.

I probably just stated the obvious. Also, if neither of them was doc then I feel really sorry for the doc, their decisions just got a lot harder.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

20th Official Vote Count

Ligolski (3): Eorlingas, DiamondFalcon, Chill

It takes 7 to lynch.

Why Eor, why the Trigun hatin'...

Also, camo-man wanted me to tell you all that he's here and trying to post but if being prevented from doing so by some strange errors.

 

[commonyoshi]

FRICK! I was all caught up with the game and ready to go.
Nice investigating from Eor on Day 2 though.

Um... Wolfwood is definitely the coolest character on Trigun. Except myabe the cat just because it's a cat.

And I command you all to watch FLCL, another anime. Yeah... It's just about the best thing I've ever seen. For the stupids there is a ton of action and great animation, for the smartie pants out there the show has a lot to say about being an adolescent. Wait. I'm off topic? What?

 

[smashman90]

I think Elendira might be the independent(since she seems to dislike Legato, so it could explain why she would be independent) and Rai-Dei is mafia. I don't know who is the Vig yet. But whoever he is, it would be best if he doesn't do anymore night kills. I am gonna wait and see what Ligolski has to say before I vote.

 

[Chill]

Geeze and you guys would have lynched me if it weren't for Eor. We would have lost 3 town players instead. That's why it pays to read the thread instead of just going along with what someone else is saying!

I looked into ligolski when we were still on Day 2 and I agree with what Eor had said. Especially when he tries to counter Eor's arguments against Jiano. In addition his other post and votes only increased my suspicion of him.

ligolski votes: Blazer (?), Pythag, Pythag, Pythag, Eor, Chill, Jiano

Yes, he literally voted for Pythag 3 times.

In a row.

He only votes for Jiano when he sees he is going down. The question mark by Blazer's name is because it looks like he unvoted Blazer without ever voting for him.

vote: ligolski

 

[ligolski]

i voted blazer i believe way back on day 1 when he had some suspicion him...unless i am thinking of a different game...

and yes i did vote for pythag several times b/c i was that unsure but for the sake of progress i eventually determined that he was the best choice for day 1 given the lack of other suspicion

Vote: Ligolski

For rather obvious reasons.

what obvious reasons are we talking about...you failed to answer my posts day 2...

Yeah, he defended Jiano way too much.
Vote: Ligolski
I'm really sad that we lost two townies... we need to convince that serial killer to kill mafiats! Unless that was vig...

Also Eorlingas, wouldn't it have been Kada who tried to protect you, because he was killed by gunfire. Unless common's role fits better to the protector sort. I knew Kada had to be town, turns out he was Gung-Ho as well.

i don't know the anime too much but it looks like that there are more former gung ho's that are town...i am not sure how this relates to the anime or book series though....

We should probably not lynch Lig so fast though, perhaps we can gather some more intel.

i defended jiano once i guess you could say...though it wasn't the main purpose of my reacting to eor's post...i was trying to show that his logic wasn't good logic and therefore I decided that it was my duty as a town member to point these out...i wasn't trying to turn the vote on eor or anything to that effect...i believe eor to be who he says he is b/c i have nothing to tell me otherwise...

 

[spam_master]

But on day one you participated in much more suspicious activity than that.

You suggested a no lynch far to early in the day for my liking.

The went after pythag.

Then suggested a mass name claim, on day one.

Then went after pythg again.

Then sugested a no lynch again.

Then finally succeeded in lynching pythag.

And, almost universally took the same side as agentli/jiano.

Also, I believe the thrid mafia member to be smashman though my evidence is shaky, all throught day one whenver smashman was attacked agentli/jiano where almost always the first to people to post next and in the order and always defend him. I could understand if jiano/agentli was just trying to get on the goodside of an excellent player but he often posted first and you followed.

 

[spam_master]

I'll be the hammer vote on you but I'm not gonna vote now and let the mafia swoop in and lynch you if you turn out not to be mafia.

 

[Eor]

i believe eor to be who he says he is b/c i have nothing to tell me otherwise...

I'm guessing you don't remember trying to have me killed Day 2 then?

 

[Eor]

Chills last vote really rubbed me the wrong way, the beginning part. And in re-reading he said "No one died? This is an awkward day 2". While that can be true, to me that looks like anger/frustration being shown in a post where it's not meant, in the awkward part. I don't really see how no townies being murdered could be considered awkward.

I'm just going to say now that I think Chill is an independent serial killer who tried to kill me during night 1 and failed, and probably killed Common/Kada last night. He wouldn't have targeted me, as I defended him the day before, and I'd probably be seen as an ally.

That's all rambling, though. I have no real proof, that's all that I got from two posts, just feelings/thoughts. Chill can defend himself is he wants, though there is no real reason for him to do so, I don't want people to just vote for him, and I'm not going to vote for him either.

Also, Medi has been inactive. That's not suspicious, I just wish he would post more. I liked his posts, if he's town he'd be a great asset, if he's mafia then we might catch him.

 

[ligolski]

But on day one you participated in much more suspicious activity than that.

You suggested a no lynch far to early in the day for my liking.

The went after pythag.

Then suggested a mass name claim, on day one.

Then went after pythg again.

Then sugested a no lynch again.

Then finally succeeded in lynching pythag.

And, almost universally took the same side as agentli/jiano.

Also, I believe the thrid mafia member to be smashman though my evidence is shaky, all throught day one whenver smashman was attacked agentli/jiano where almost always the first to people to post next and in the order and always defend him. I could understand if jiano/agentli was just trying to get on the goodside of an excellent player but he often posted first and you followed.

a-please quote the part i suggested a no lynch with time and date in comparison to the beginning of the game...i certainly don't remember even suggesting or hinting at a no lynch until actiivty came to a standstill following the first pythag thing
b- many people went after pythag...not just me...
c-i never suggested a mass name claim...ABSOLUTELY NEVER...i never said i wanted a name claim...i asked yopur guys opinions on what you guys thought out best route of action was...you are twisting my words and for that i find you suspicious...I went on vacation during part of that too which made it weird for me to come back and i posted my reasons for finally deciding on pythag...i also don't remember suggesting a no lynch a 2nd time either...

@eor now...ok sure i voted for you doesn't mean i wanted you absolutely dead...you are over playing a situation...i voted for you after your role claim b/c i wasn't sure if i should believe you and now i do...and i also realize that i switched pretty quickly but I thought better of myself and reevaluated my views and ruled out my crazy mafia conspiracy idea...though it actually did occur in LOST mafia...then i went on vacation again not long after...and you never did pursue the agruement after i responded to your statement...

i think that is all i wanted to say besides that smashboards sucks a lot in terms of loading...

 

[smashman90]

Also, I believe the thrid mafia member to be smashman though my evidence is shaky, all throught day one whenver smashman was attacked agentli/jiano where almost always the first to people to post next and in the order and always defend him. I could understand if jiano/agentli was just trying to get on the goodside of an excellent player but he often posted first and you followed.

Agentli/Jiano defended me? Since when did they do that, because I don't remember that. The only time somebody(don't remember who, but I check it after I post this) has defended me was the time when medi and chill voted on me based metagaming and thought that I would be a useless player. And btw, are you calling me an excellent player, spam? I am flattered.

Btw, where is KevinM and Medi? I don't think we have seen them in ages.

 

[Chill]

Chills last vote really rubbed me the wrong way, the beginning part. And in re-reading he said "No one died? This is an awkward day 2". While that can be true, to me that looks like anger/frustration being shown in a post where it's not meant, in the awkward part. I don't really see how no townies being murdered could be considered awkward.

I say awkward because when we have a "normal" night it give us answers. On day 2 I found 3 people suspicous, ligolski, spam master and commonyoshi. I was most suspicous of ligolski and least suspicous of common. Day 3 reveals that common was town so now I see why I wasn't that suspicous of him.

On day 2 we didn't learn anything from the night so it felt like a repeat of Day 1. Awkward.

I'm just going to say now that I think Chill is an independent serial killer who tried to kill me during night 1 and failed, and probably killed Common/Kada last night. He wouldn't have targeted me, as I defended him the day before, and I'd probably be seen as an ally.

I know you said you don't have any proof but you are worrying me with the amount of assumptions based on night info. The night info is good for telling us who is what alignment. So a person cannot claim that the're are town and "insert character name here" but it's not good for telling us who is playing each person.

When it comes down to it Eor I do want you to trust me so consider this. Jiano (mafia) put me within two votes of being lynched so I'm obviously not mafia. I'm not independent because I asked to be investigated. The "appear innocent" ability is only given to the Godfather. So I would have screwed myself if I was independant. Plus we know the list of town players is small which is why Frozen had to make some gung hos town to make up for this. This should give me credibility as to my role.

 

[spam_master]

hmmm...i guess this point is becoming moot...so...unvote: pythag
i will unvote for now seeing as how most of everyone else believes you which is now making me think twice and give you a second chance...i guess...so where do we want to go from here? no lynch? lynch an inactive? lynch someone else?

Vote: Pythag

It was a tough choice for me to decide. Vote on either Pythag or DF. But I have chosen.

i think we have to unfortunately consider a no-lynch....not happy about it but i got nothing at this point

sorry i was gone all day helping out at a community thing today...

a) don't discuss SPM while its still in progress...its unfair to that game...unless ur talking about play styles, but u guys are attacking each other for other things

b)i believe pythag for his trying to mix it up...it just didn't work...if i was mafia and had to come up with an excuse, i wouldn't have done anything like that...

c)anyone with suspicions of others want to post some reason to go along with it...to discuss since we need it

Here are just some fo the posts by you that I found suspicious and you are right about the name claim thing. I was speed reading and read a do not as a do.

Many of your ideas are contradictory. And, are outside the realm your normal festitiousness.

Also, I was refering to lig as the excellent player smashman but your pretty good too.

 

[DiamondFalcon]

haha, that second one is by smashman.

I'm gonna keep up with the arguments on both sides, and perhaps I'll change my mind. But I just felt Lig's defense of Jiano was too strong to ignore.

 

[ligolski]

I said we should consider a no lynch because well thats always part of a day 1 consideration...and the first time i said it activity dropped off the table and no one was talking so I spoke what we might do...the second time is again where people started to get off track of the mafia game and being inactive...and then jiano came in...and that turned everything...i wasn't the only one to vote and unvote...eor did it at least once or twice as well...there might have been others but I can't remember

 

[ligolski]

actually the second time i wanted to get everyone's opinions of what they wanted to do next

 

[Eor]

I'm not independent because I asked to be investigated. The "appear innocent" ability is only given to the Godfather. So I would have screwed myself if I was independant. Plus we know the list of town players is small which is why Frozen had to make some gung hos town to make up for this. This should give me credibility as to my role.

Did you roleclaim? If so, I really have no memory of it, my bad. If not, then don't worry with it. Forgot you asked to be investigated

 

[DiamondFalcon]

You don't remember? He claimed to be the Cat, who apparently appears in like every episode.

 

[Eor]

You don't remember? He claimed to be the Cat, who apparently appears in like every episode.

****, he did say that.

Right, scratch the independent thing

 

[spam_master]

I think the fact that lig isn't dead yet says alot about his alignment. If he wasn't mafia he would have gotten boned by now cause im pretty sure that evrybody who has voted so far is town. Also, lig's lack luster defence says to me, "I know I'm boned and i've got another game to run so whatever."

I am also now almost positive the third mafiat is smashman, he has had suspicious activity in the past and on the last page he tried to change the subject onto inactives, which is reidiculous when we just killed a mafia.

I really want another townie to vote so i can hammer this guy.

 

[smashman90]

I am also now almost positive the third mafia is smashman he has had suspicious activity in the past and on the last page he tried to change the subject onto inactives, which is reidiculous when we just killed a mafia.

What suspicious activity? The main thing I can be suspicious of mainly is being inactive(due to school). Secondly, I wasn't trying to change the subject onto inactives, I was just asking an honest question about where KevinM and Medi are(considering we haven't seen them in lord knows how long). And remember the last time you thought I was mafia, spam master. Turned out I was a townie(and the doc no less).

Besides, if you haven't noticed, I pretty much figured out which characters the mafia/independents are. Why the hell would a mafia member do something to help aid their opponents? Any mafia member would have to be a ******* to do something like that.

Silly spam master.

 

[Eor]

Spam, only 4 people have voted for Lig. We need 7. Your vote wouldn't make the mafia possible to swap down if we're wrong, and you wouldn't be the hammer vote by killing him

 

[DiamondFalcon]

Spam_master: Even if Lig was town, the mafia would leave him alive because he'd be an easy mislynch victim. Though I don't think he's town, him being alive still is not necessarily proof.
Also, I happen to think smashman90 to be town. Only thing I have against him is his hammer vote on Pythag, otherwise I think he's been helpful.

 

[spam_master]

Smash's lackildazical hammer vote on pythag seemed very supicious, and if lig and jiano are both mafia, then the fact that they both jumped out of theri way to defend smashman and foir the most part only smashman multiple times jacks my suspicion meter way up.

Also, keep in mind smashamn that in SPMII I had agentli caught in a lie and on the run, until you and gotmink had to come in and villify me to the point where he got away with his lie, so my attack on you was justified, you just played ****ty.

And, I don't like you crediting yourself with figuring out who the mafia and independents are because if I was mafia I would do exactly what you did so that I if lig is the crimson nail he can claim town and then you can say well i thought he could be an independent but he might be town.

Also, if my posting seems screwy it's cause I decided to take 5 AP classes enior year and they are all catchy up with me, Leaving me tired and cranky. I just think lig is mafia and IF he is mafia then smash is as well.

Also, if I was mafia I'd want lig out as soon as possible just like I'd want eor out, which is the only reason I'm buying this crimson nail is ind crap for even a second. They both rock at this game and I's go so far as too say that FF is the only person who is better.

 

[smashman90]

Smash's lackildazical hammer vote on pythag seemed very supicious, and if lig and jiano are both mafia, then the fact that they both jumped out of theri way to defend smashman and foir the most part only smashman multiple times jacks my suspicion meter way up.

Yeah, they were defending me when Chill and Medi were practically bandwagoning me and voting for me for not being a very good player. Those are pretty awful reasons for voting on somebody and even so, this was on Day 1. Lots of votes have poor reasoning on Day 1.

Also, keep in mind smashman that in SPMII I had agentli caught in a lie and on the run, until you and gotmink had to come in and villify me to the point where he got away with his lie, so my attack on you was justified, you just played ****ty.

Was does that have to do with anything?

And, I don't like you crediting yourself with figuring out who the mafia and independents are because if I was mafia I would do exactly what you did so that I if lig is the crimson nail he can claim town and then you can say well i thought he could be an independent but he might be town

Que?

I just think lig is mafia and IF he is mafia then smash is as well.

How the hell am I mafia? Have you seen me defending Liggy so far? Not really. And I have defended myself pretty **** well so far.

 

[smashman90]

*Gasps* wow, my first big post.

 

[Mediocre]

Also, Medi has been inactive. That's not suspicious, I just wish he would post more. I liked his posts, if he's town he'd be a great asset, if he's mafia then we might catch him.

Btw, where is KevinM and Medi? I don't think we have seen them in ages.

Sorry, guys.

I haven't been posting much lately because I'm not sure what to say. I'm suspicious of ligolski, like the rest of you, but I'm really just waiting for the whole thing to play out before making a decision about which way to vote. I don't have any brilliant arguments or analysis, so any post I made wouldn't be very substantive.

The one thing I will say is that I'm not very suspicious of Chill at all. His actions have sometimes not made sense to me, but they never really seemed very scummy.

Yeah, they were defending me when Chill and Medi were practically bandwagoning me and voting for me for not being a very good player.

I'd just like to point out that I couldn't possibly have been bandwagoning you, given that I was the first person to vote for you. It's not a bandwagon if there's only one person riding.

Yeah, they were defending me when Chill and Medi were practically bandwagoning me and voting for me for not being a very good player. Those are pretty awful reasons for voting on somebody and even so, this was on Day 1. Lots of votes have poor reasoning on Day 1.

There are motivations for a mafia to defend a townie from a mislynch, but the lynch being based on poor reasoning is not one of them. Jiano, at least, was mafia, and there's no reason he'd try to stop a mislynch unless there was something in it for him.

I'm not saying that this makes you or ligolski mafia, but it certainly does poke a gaping hole in your theory.

 

[spam_master]

Was does that have to do with anything?

In case you didn't notice you said that last time I thought you were mafia I was worng and your were actually the doc, and I was just saying that my logic was totally jutified and you just played that day really ****ty, by hardcore defending the godfather when I had him nailed. i'm very bitter about that game.

Que?

If you knew what all the mafia roles where what would stop you from trying to confuse the town by giving false reports as too the alignemnet of characters when your not the onlly one who can just go and look at the wiki. I personally think that the crimson nail is mafia seeing as how she is the last gunho gun and the most powerful.

*Gasps* wow, my first big post.

Not a big post

 

[ligolski]

Smash's lackildazical hammer vote on pythag seemed very supicious, and if lig and jiano are both mafia, then the fact that they both jumped out of theri way to defend smashman and foir the most part only smashman multiple times jacks my suspicion meter way up.

I don't remember defending smashman...and i don't remember jiano doing it either....plz quote for my memory

and as for my 'lack luster" defense...i don't think it is lack luster at all...it is a defense and it is true...you guys are voting on me b/c i attacked the logic in one of eor's posts b/c i thought i should...though eventually jiano was figured out to be mafia is just a coincidence and in fact i actaully attacked him shortly after that post on different points of logic

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

Camo-man is still having problems and is unable to post, so he PMed me this to post in his stead:
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To ligolski: stop with the ellipses!!! You’re making my eyes bleed. ;_;

When it comes down to it Eor I do want you to trust me so consider this. Jiano (mafia) put me within two votes of being lynched so I'm obviously not mafia. I'm not independent because I asked to be investigated. The "appear innocent" ability is only given to the Godfather. So I would have screwed myself if I was independant. Plus we know the list of town players is small which is why Frozen had to make some gung hos town to make up for this. This should give me credibility as to my role.

FE mafia. Lyon was an independent with hidden innocence ability. It’s possible.

And just cuz he’s a cat doesn’t mean he gets off the radar instantly… The cat could very well be the Independent because it didn’t take sides, as far as I know.

 

[ligolski]

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smite'd

 

[spam_master]

vote: smashman90

I think that smashman is the best person we can vote for at this point in time. Just look at how he played in the other mafia game.

People were suspicious of him, so he asked the cop to investigate him, and wanted the cop to reveal his own role in order to clear smashman's name. Then, when people pointed out that doing this would be unbelievably stupid, smashman revealed his own role as a doctor. No matter what his allegiance, that makes no sense. If he was town, and actually a doctor, he'll probably get killed that night anyway. If he was town, and not actually a doctor, he'll probably get killed because the mafia will believe him. And if he's actually mafia, everybody will assume he's mafia when he doesn't get killed by them at night.

In The Thing, he risked his own life by running into a burning room to save someone who had been shot in the head. Not surprisingly, the person with the hole in their head was not alive, and smashman died after the ceiling collapsed on him.

So, if he's town in this game, we won't be losing much by lynching him. If he's mafia, we'll have reduced their numbers by one.

Well...we would be losing sheer numbers if we go wrong. He hasn't done anything suspicious so far, so I don't really see any point in putting a vote on him this early.

yes...and ending this day so quickly without any kind of discussion is stupid, that leaves at square one tomorrow (mafia days)

whoa...every player is valuable in his/her own way even if they seem idiotic...every town vote is needed

your reasonning freaking sucks for lack of sutable stronger words...i don't see how the hell you can reason that just b/c he may have done stupid things in other games, that gives you the right to lynch him or at least try...thats like putting someone in jail as soon as they got out of jail just because you think he will do something bad again...while this may be the case it is not always true and he deserves a second chance...

sorry for the wacky analogy but it fits for its purpose...you can not lynch someone based upon other games...thats just plain freaking stupid

for now i will let this pass as nooblet crap...

This is just the first one it happens like 3 or 4 more times but I'm not gonna go back throuhg the whole thing. But, lol dude in ever post that I really find you suspicious in you always overuse ellipses, I think it's your "tell"

 

[KevinM]

I've also been inactive for a while, but its ok i should be back now, i tried posting the other day, but when i would log on and hit quick reply it would bring me to advanced and then tell me i had to wait thirty seconds without posting anything

Anyways now that i can post.. i had a couple of things to say

Smashman the fact that your defense using Jiano has fallen through is a little bit suspicious

but at this point i'm still looking at Liggy

though Eor, i want to know your "obvious" reasons that you stated before.

 

[smashman90]

If you knew what all the mafia roles where what would stop you from trying to confuse the town by giving false reports as too the alignemnet of characters when your not the onlly one who can just go and look at the wiki. I personally think that the crimson nail is mafia seeing as how she is the last gunho gun and the most powerful.

I am not trying to confuse the town about the roles and I am only assuming what their alignments could be. And why the hell did you post about the crimson nail being mafia? You could be doing the same thing you're accusing me of.

Plus, I think your theory of Agentli/Lig defending me falls flat on it's face. It doesn't prove anything except for two people defending me for being voted on for lame *** reasons. If you haven't noticed, I was also defended by Ronike, Gotmink, Eor(I think), and Blazer. Are you gonna call all of them mafia too?

Spam, you of all people should believe me to be town. Tsk tsk.

 

[Chill]

To ligolski: stop with the ellipses!!! You’re making my eyes bleed. ;_;


FE mafia. Lyon was an independent with hidden innocence ability. It’s possible.

And just cuz he’s a cat doesn’t mean he gets off the radar instantly… The cat could very well be the Independent because it didn’t take sides, as far as I know.

I was only in FE mafia for short time so I didn't know that. Thanks for the correction.

 

[ligolski]

This is just the first one it happens like 3 or 4 more times but I'm not gonna go back throuhg the whole thing. But, lol dude in ever post that I really find you suspicious in you always overuse ellipses, I think it's your "tell"

i "defended" smash b/c he was being attacked on the biggest bull**** i have ever seen in my life...its not like i went out of my way to make sure he lived...

o and about the ellipses...i use them in every game...so no its not a tell...so uh...go hide in a corner and cry

 

[Eor]

though Eor, i want to know your "obvious" reasons that you stated before.

His defense of Jiano, which was out of the blue, him unvoting Chill when I went for Jiano and defended Chill despite no new evidence coming up for Chill, and his earlier attack on me

If Ligolistermonster is town, however, then we need to be wary of Spam_master. Though I doubt Liggy is town.

I'm not sold on the Smashman argument