Trigun Mafia (GAME OVER! TOWN WINS! Night Actions/Results/PMs posted!)

[Chill]

Yes, he answered by saying "I can't be the first on all the votes." That is not a very good reason.

You don't seem to be reading my post because you haven't directly responded to any of them. I already explained (more than twice) why votes you labeled as bandwagoning are not. So I will ask you what I asked Blazer. Will you please explain to me how voting for an inactive and explicitly stating I will unvote them when they post is suspicous?

 

[ligolski]

before i move on to other posts, this post will be directed towards eor and his counter post to mine...

Because he's frustrated? That's not a good reason to stop voting for someone.

thats not what i meant and if i worded it wrong i am sorry...what i meant and what i thought i said was that i unvoted him b/c i believe his name claim...and i believe that name claim through the vibes (ie: the emotional content) of that post...

1. No, that is not what I did. What I meant was exactly what I said.
2. Not only are you changing the topic, but you're attacking me while leaving out everything I have against Jiano

It's not necessary, they can just post "I agree with everyone else" and be done with it.

you aren't exactly "advocating" bandwagons BUT you are allowing them to all be defended with that simple little statement...which is not good...everyone should i least post some reasoning with their vote...

That is the exact same mindset I used when I was mafia trying to not get killed for murdering 4-5 townies

this truly means nothing...your's and mine mindset are totally different...everyone is unique in their thinking...

Why would I lie to myself? Infact, why would I lie to everyone else about believing Chill? If I was mafia, then I assure you a Vash would have popped out by now and said "*****, nah", then put a loose around my neck.

i never said anything about you lieing...that statement was about the whole pythag thing and the pushing for two town lynches...

Then you obviously have no idea what I said. the simplest answer is usually right. That is it. Not the first answer, not the first guess, but the simplest one. I fail to see how the hell you could mess that up. Well, I see why you're pointing it out, but I'll get to that later. I already address your "pointless" thing before you even posted that. Seriously, did you read my post?

eor i have to say that you really can piss me off...OF COURSE I READ YOUR ****ING POST OR ELSE I WOULDN'T BE RESPONDING...stop using sly shallow hits and focus on the **** logic...as for the other part of that paragraph...what i meant is that if i decided to vote someone and say the easiest answer is that they are mafia...i would expect you guys to kill me right there and then...that logic fails miserably imo...this is not a simple game...and simple answers are not always the right answers...

That paragraph was pathetic. I posted the simplest answer was that Jiano was mafia, and gave reasoning for it. Christ, I even used a philosophical response in it. I'm not quite sure how much more you want. Of course I am not 100% sure that Jiano is mafia, no one is ever 100% sure unless they're the cop and investigated someone. Saying that I'm wrong because I'm not 100% sure is total crap.

yea your right it was pathetic...i messed up a lot of what i wanted to say and left out words and such that killed it...i hate when i do that...btw: philosophy means nothing to me with this game...what i really meant is that i didn't like your attitude in the last statement...

now on to reading the other posts

 

[ligolski]

And wow, if Jiano's mafia, Lig's definitely mafia. I at least had a reason to defend Pythag, since he had a similar role as me, this just doesn't seem right. But mafia don't usually lead the lynch... it seems odd that in his first post he would have voted Pythag if he were mafia. Regardless, I think Eor may have something there. I'm gonna wait for Jiano to defend himself.

all i did was point out what i thought as bad points or bad logic in his post...

as for the other posts...i don't feel like quoting any more...but i will state my position of Jiano...he is suspicious to me but i am not sure just yet...i want to see more responses from both sides and then form a stronger opinion...

 

[Jiano]

You don't seem to be reading my post because you haven't directly responded to any of them. I already explained (more than twice) why votes you labeled as bandwagoning are not.

I have read your post and I don't agree with what you said. If you are not the first vote on someone, you're bandwagoning. Not scummy by itself, but when your voting history shows that you are willing to jump on any bandwagon that might get momentum, that's scummy.

So I will ask you what I asked Blazer. Will you please explain to me how voting for an inactive and explicitly stating I will unvote them when they post is suspicous?

Because it gives a false impression that you're contributing, and blending in with the town. This together with your voting history is what makes it so scummy.

 

[smashman90]

Too many long posts! This is gonna take me a long time to read all of these.

And on a side note, meow.

 

[KevinM]

So chill, your power limits your revealing power?

 

[Chill]

I have read your post and I don't agree with what you said. If you are not the first vote on someone, you're bandwagoning. Not scummy by itself, but when your voting history shows that you are willing to jump on any bandwagon that might get momentum, that's scummy.

If you're not the first to vote you're bandwagoning? No matter what reason you have for voting someone it's bandwagon voting? I have never heard that before. According to this everyone who has played this game and did not place the first vote has bandwagon voted.

Will you please explain to me how voting for an inactive and explicitly stating I will unvote them when they post is suspicous?

Because it gives a false impression that you're contributing, and blending in with the town. This together with your voting history is what makes it so scummy.

No it doesn't. It means I'm voting someone to get them active and when they post I will unvote them. You might have had a point if I had held my vote or pushed others to vote for inactive members. But I didn't so you don't. All you did was list my votes and applied whatever labels you saw fit to them regardless of the actual situation.

unvote: Ronike

vote: Jiano
Oh noe teh bandwagon!

Oh and FYI Jiano, when I didn't push for others to vote for Pythag he wondered why. I told him that just because I found his actions suspicous that doesn't mean everyone else has to. If I was so desperate to start a bandwagon why would I say something like that?

 

[KevinM]

Ronike doesn't strike me as mafia at all at this point, i'm in a toss-up between Liggy and Jiano.. more so towards Jiano, but Liggy has me thinking of possibilities as well.

 

[Chill]

Kevin, I don't understand what you are asking.

 

[KevinM]

Yeah let me rephrase that

When you revealed the Cat name claim in the way you did

Does this mean that the natural ability of the cat, is that you can't reveal?

I hope I'm phrasing this right

 

[Chill]

Do you mean when I said ****ing? It sounds like you're asking me if I can't reveal I'm the cat but I did so I'm still not sure what you are asking me.

 

[Ronike]

Yeah, Chill just doesnt seem scummy to me anymore. It seemed like it a little bit before, but now not at all. Plus, Jiano is WAY more suspiscious in my eyes than any possible other candidates cause he just keeps regurgitating the EXACT same arguments and barely (if at all) reading Chill's arguments. And I may not be able to get on tomorrow due to work, so Im voting now.

Vote: Jiano

 

[Jiano]

If you're not the first to vote you're bandwagoning? No matter what reason you have for voting someone it's bandwagon voting? I have never heard that before. According to this everyone who has played this game and did not place the first vote has bandwagon voted.

Yes. A bandwagon is any vote that gains support from others, if you're supporting someone elses vote, you're bandwagoning. I am NOT saying this is scummy by itself, but you bandwagoning onto many people is what makes it scummy. How are you not getting this?

No it doesn't. It means I'm voting someone to get them active and when they post I will unvote them. You might have had a point if I had held my vote or pushed others to vote for inactive members. But I didn't so you don't. All you did was list my votes and applied whatever labels you saw fit to them regardless of the actual situation.

Yes, but it's also a common scum tactic to blend in with the town and appear as if they're contributing to the town.

Oh and FYI Jiano, when I didn't push for others to vote for Pythag he wondered why. I told him that just because I found his actions suspicous that doesn't mean everyone else has to. If I was so desperate to start a bandwagon why would I say something like that?

Maybe because you were the first vote and didn't want to seem suspicious trying to start up a bandwagon, so you hid it behind your false reasoning.

 

[DiamondFalcon]

I'm not sure where I stand... on one hand, I believe Eor's and Chill's claims, and on the other, I sorta agree about the bandwagoning. If it's ok to just say "I agree with so-and-so. Vote: whoever", then that makes being a mafiat all that much easier. I understand voting for someone without too much reason, perhaps to get them to speak, but when it's towards a lynch, you oughta explain yourself.

I don't think Chill has answered this yet, but do you have any abilities?

And I believe deadline's still tomorrow. It might be helpful if Jiano roleclaimed as well, if he is near lynch point. Because if anything, lynching him will tell us something about Lig.

 

[camo-man]

fyi, just because someone is the main character doesn't mean they're town. :l

In FE mafia, I made Ephriam, the main character of FE8, a mafia.

 

[Chill]

Yes. A bandwagon is any vote that gains support from others, if you're supporting someone elses vote, you're bandwagoning. I am NOT saying this is scummy by itself, but you bandwagoning onto many people is what makes it scummy. How are you not getting this?

Well, it seems we may have different definitions of bandwagoning. At this point I feel you are basing your arguments based on what you wish or suppose happened rather than what actually did. If you have any other points you'd like to beat to death get back to me with those.

 

[spam_master]

I think the point he;s looking to beat to death the most right now is the point on top of your head. I don't really know what I think about this whole thing, but I think it would be one of the most epic mauevers I've ever seen if they were both mafia.

I'm not sure if I have a vote on anybody and if I do I intend to unvote it but I'm not sure who it's for and I'm tired. If someobdy could check that would be sweet.

 

[Jiano]

Well, it seems we may have different definitions of bandwagoning. At this point I feel you are basing your arguments based on what you wish or suppose happened rather than what actually did. If you have any other points you'd like to beat to death get back to me with those.

At this point I think you've been straw manning me this entire time and it's getting on my nerves.

Ok, I will try to make this as clear as possible:

YOUR VOTING HISTORY HAS SHOWN CONSISTENT BANDWAGON VOTES, YOU HAVE YET TO REFUTE THIS POINT.

Apparently you and Eorlingas don't know what bandwagons are so it's worthless trying to get an explanation out of you. The deadline is less than 15 hours away and it's obvious that I'm going to be the lynch for today, so I'm going to go ahead and role claim.

I'm Monev the Gale, town-aligned Vigilante. Night 1 I tried to kill Blazer(Because I thought he was mafia and still do) but during the night someone took control of my body and made me attack someone else, but my flavor didn't indicate who.

I 100% was honestly trying to get discussion going with the Chill vote. I didn't fully intend to start this ****fest, but once it started and saw Chills defense I was convinced he was mafia.

 

[DiamondFalcon]

Well that complicates things... I'll add that mine and Pythag's roles are Gung-ho so it is possible. Vigilante seems to fit well, but perhaps he may be serial killer as well...

 

[Chill]

At this point I think you've been straw manning me this entire time and it's getting on my nerves.

Straw manning you? You seem to be confused, you started this whole thing by listing nothing but votes and acting like I never made any post besides those. When I mentioned this you just said "people usually put their reasoning in their posts". I didn't it's in the post after or ones in which people ask me to explain furthur but its still there. You have no case unless you look only at the post in which I voted.

Ok, I will try to make this as clear as possible:

YOUR VOTING HISTORY HAS SHOWN CONSISTENT BANDWAGON VOTES, YOU HAVE YET TO REFUTE THIS POINT.

Yes I have. When you pointed to votes like mine on agentli I told you why it was done. You can go back read the topic or my post to see this is true. Agentli was even replaced by you. I've given my character and even asked to be investigated. You don't trust me and I'm tired of repeating myself to responed to the same thing you've been repeating over and over.

Apparently you and Eorlingas don't know what bandwagons are so it's worthless trying to get an explanation out of you. The deadline is less than 15 hours away and it's obvious that I'm going to be the lynch for today, so I'm going to go ahead and role claim.

lol, you have three votes on you. Why so eager to role claim?

 

[Jiano]

lol, you have three votes on you. Why so eager to role claim?

Wow, and you criticize me for not reading posts. I just said it in the line you quoted, and I have 4 votes(halfway to lynch) not 3. The deadline is in 4 hours now and I'm assuming it's a majority lynch.

 

[Jiano]

Yes I have. When you pointed to votes like mine on agentli I told you why it was done. You can go back read the topic or my post to see this is true. Agentli was even replaced by you. I've given my character and even asked to be investigated. You don't trust me and I'm tired of repeating myself to responed to the same thing you've been repeating over and over.

I just had to laugh at this. You asked to be investigated. What are you, the Godfather or something? Try and be a little less obvious.

Seriously people, there is proof that Chill has been bandwagoning and he's denying it. You may wonder, why would he deny something that's so obviously true? Oh I don't know, because he's hiding something maybe?

 

[DiamondFalcon]

Vote Count please!

I'd like to make a decision before the deadline, but I have a test this evening that I need to be studying for.
As it stands now, I will vote for Chill, because he doesn't respond to my posts. And hypothetically if either one is town, Jiano is more useful to us.

 

[Jiano]

Ok, the deadline means a no lynch, I am dumb. Either way I still feel like my role claim was justified as others have been announcing they'll vote for me before the deadline.

 

[#HBC | FrozeηFlame]

And just a minute before the deadline...

DEADLINE TEMPORARILY UPLIFTED

I need to catch up on my own game. I've been busy doing reading and other various junk. I will soon update this post with a vote count as well as my decision of whether or not to forcefully end this day.

 

[Chill]

I just had to laugh at this. You asked to be investigated. What are you, the Godfather or something? Try and be a little less obvious.

I like how this is the only thing you can respond to. Good job.

I read the wiki entry on your character. Unlike hopper and Midvalley's entries which say they felt remorse or turned against the Guns Menovs says nothing of the sort. So now I'm even less inclined to believe your claim.

Your words don't even match your supposed actions. If you tried to kill Blazer because you were so sure he was mafia why haven't you tried to build a case against him?

DF, I haven't answered your question becuse it's fairly rediculous. Why are you power fishing? What good would it do me to say I'm the cop/doctor/mason aside from alerting the Mafia? Besides, I'm a cat why would you expect me to have some amazing ability? It's not like every town person get's an ability anyways.

 

[Jiano]

I like how this is the only thing you can respond to. Good job.

Because you keep denying that you were bandwagoning and I've officially given up trying to get you to admit it, so I will just hope the 3rd parties can come to a reasonable conclusion. I'm sure you're tired of beating this to death, too.

I read the wiki entry on your character. Unlike hopper and Midvalley's entries which say they felt remorse or turned against the Guns Menovs says nothing of the sort. So now I'm even less inclined to believe your claim.

Yeah, I know next to nothing about Trigun, so I'm not exactly sure. I don't want to quote my role PM too much but basically it says I was mad at Legato for using me and after being spared by Vash I was remorseful and changed my ways.

Your words don't even match your supposed actions. If you tried to kill Blazer because you were so sure he was mafia why haven't you tried to build a case against him?

I've mentioned I've been suspicious of them this whole game. There isn't just one mafia you know, so looking for other suspicious people is a good idea.

 

[Blazer]

Vote:Jiano

Your arguements are very farfetched, I've not heard of the ability to control another's night actions that's just wildly out there.

 

[Chill]

I've never heard of the ability to bring a character back to life but it was in my game. I judge abilities based on the likelyhood of them being assigned to a certain alignment and the affect on the game. When it was thought that Pythag was posting based on a role restriction I explained why I thought it was unlikely.

The role switch has been used before so I could buy that. At the moment though I don't feel this happened. Someone happened to take control of your killing ability and turned it toward someone who happened to have doc protection? I realize this is mafia and anything is possible but it doesn't seem plausible.

I want to believe you but the way you but some of the things you are saying are not adding up. And of course I feel the way you tried to make me look like mafia was dirty so I can't easily get over that.

 

[Jiano]

Vote:Jiano

Your arguements are very farfetched, I've not heard of the ability to control another's night actions that's just wildly out there.

I'm almost positive it was a bus driver role.

Please explain how my argument is far fetched?

 

[ligolski]

Yes. A bandwagon is any vote that gains support from others, if you're supporting someone elses vote, you're bandwagoning. I am NOT saying this is scummy by itself, but you bandwagoning onto many people is what makes it scummy. How are you not getting this

wow...i have never heard this as an explanation for what bandwagonning is...and i completely disagree...if this is your logic for the other things then, i am inclined to believe the rest of your arguments are false and i do believe that they are false now...you keep beating a dead cat (no pun intended ) over and over and chill keeps responding the same but yet you keep going...this seems like a desperate move to me and i now believe that your logic and means are scummy...btw my definition of a bandwagon is one who continues to jump aboard with no logic given which chill has shown us btw...notice the bold part...basically we can now look at this as if he is singling out chill....b/c by that definition many of us are bandwagoners...

vote: Jiano

O noes! i am a bandwagoner....[/sarcasm]

 

[ligolski]

o and i don't believe your claim...b/c of my previous arguments...

 

[Jiano]

All right apparently no one is understanding what I'm trying to say so I will try to summarize to the best of my ability.

I originally found Chill a bit suspicious so I looked up his posting history, and found out he had been on numerous bandwagons and gave poor reasoning for his votes. So in hope to get an explanation and to promote discussion I built the(apparently weak) case against Chill. People immediately jumped on Chill(which almost made me unvote) but then Chill DENIED that he was bandwagoning. Now why would a townie deny something that obvious? I thought you were trying to hide the fact that you were bandwagoning and saying all of your votes were justified.

I will admit you did explain your votes, it was just your refusal to admit you were bandwagoning was making me suspicious so I kept my vote on you.

I'm -2 away from the hammer now, so please consider the options before you finish me.

 

[Jiano]

My bandwagon definition wasn't exactly clear so I'll let dictionary.com do it for me:

bandwagon

1. a popular trend that attracts growing support

So yes, potentially, anyone who contributes by voting for someone could be bandwagoning, EVEN IF YOU HAVE GOOD REASONING.

 

[Blazer]

But the mafia form of a bandwagon is voting for someone with little or bad reasoning and for seemingly no more reason than to want rid of someone.

 

[Jiano]

Ok, then call it suspicious voting patterns, it doesn't matter what you call it, the point still remains. Here you said it yourself:

Just voting patterns and simple vibes I get from you and the factor that other people agree with said vibes says that I must be at least somewhat correct.

Yeah my argument is so far fetched that you agreed with it.

 

[Blazer]

I'm talking about your defense there wise one, not your case against Chill which is now mute seeing as how he is the cat of pwnage.

I see Chill's point about you taking things out of context a lot.

 

[Jiano]

I'm talking about your defense there wise one, not your case against Chill which is now mute seeing as how he is the cat of pwnage.

I see Chill's point about you taking things out of context a lot.

Then don't just say my arguments are far fetched without specifying. All I can do is assume what you're talking about because of that.

 

[Blazer]

Don't be stupid. You knew that the arguement I was speaking of was the current one where you are arguing to defend yourself. Why would I address one that I agreed with? Of course now I don't, but of course I wouldn't call it far fetched having agreed at some point.

 

[camo-man]

I will
Vote: Jiano

for reasons stated by the people, but mainly because of a reason I came up with myself, that I don't feel like revealing. If this ever gets me in a tight spot, I'll tell you the reason, but for now, I'm gonna keep it secret.