Trigun Mafia (GAME OVER! TOWN WINS! Night Actions/Results/PMs posted!)

[Blazer]

Blazer, that post does not say that I voted you for not being serious about the game.

???

It doesn't. I'm just correcting you on the fact that I was not voted on for being innactive but, rather for not being serious.

Blazer what are you trying to prove, just wondering?

Nothing I was just correcting him on why most people were voting for me. Go back and check, I said that I was just correcting him when I voted on him.

 

[KevinM]

Oh ok just making sure thanks man

 

[Blazer]

Seems to me though someone is rather defensive, quick to assume I'm accusing you ba

 

[Blazer]

<_< it posted before I finished without me touching it sorry.

Seems to me though someone is rather defensive, quick to assume I'm accusing you based on hollow grounds are you Chill? Wanting to avoid lynch at all costs without giving any kind of help to us?

Maybe I'm just jumping the gun a bit with that one but, that's my impression here.

 

[Chill]

I think I have been helpful. To quote commonyoshi 'Saying someone is defensive is a way of saying I have no real counter argument so I'll just say they are too defensive'. It's a loose quote but it get's the job done.

I have already pointed out how these claims are false several times but I feel this post does the best job of it.

http://smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=2853147&postcount=1107

Can you please explain to me how voting for an inactive and explicitiy stating in my post that I will unvote them when they post is suspicous?

 

[spam_master]

@ligolski, I didn't say there was anything wrong with that. DF, said I was suspicous for wanting to lynch Pythag I was saying if he found me suspicous than why not Jiano who voted him for the same reasons? Hence the "I love you Jiano" post.

Geeze, if you guys think I'm so suspicous even after pointing out where you are clearly wrong than the cop can investigate me tonight.

I do not see that sentence in my post. If your going to vote for me because something someone else said that's fine. But voting me for something that isn't true? I don't understand that.

Unless there is some gaping hole in my explanations that I'm not seeing it seems like you guys have already decided to vote for me and I can't change that.

I only ask to be investigated because we're going to lose two town members in a row and that's going to suck.

I think Chill is the godfather, in his first post he suggests that it would be a btter idea for him to be investigated instead of lynched, but this contradicts the ideas he had day one in which when we had significantly less evidence against pythag we lynched him anyway. Why didn't employ this genius plan on day one? Because it sucks, if chill is mafia the we will be one day behind the mafia for the rest of the game and this day will drag out into infinty with no leads. And, if he is the godfather we are screwwed till late game. Alos, I think chill relized that someone would catch him and call him out for trying to control the cops power, so in the second post he tried to cover his tracks before anybody could use it against him.

Also, has anybody else noticed that this vote is taking much longer than a vote with this amount of evidence normally would? I feel that the evidence in this case is pretty good, and certainly better than anything else that has been thrown out so far. So why is the vote count so low? I think that some of the people who have recently dropped of the radar are mafia as well, adn have a dual purpose, too slow down the vote on chill and after a time provide someone for chill to push the blame onto for being inactive/lurking.

 

[Chill]

I didn't try to "cover my tracks" I asked to be investigated twice. And guess what spam? I considered that someone might say that. If the cop investigates me he doesn't have to say anything. That way you know I'm town and he doesn't reveal himself.

 

[Blazer]

I think I have been helpful. To quote commonyoshi 'Saying someone is defensive is a way of saying I have no real counter argument so I'll just say they are too defensive'. It's a loose quote but it get's the job done.

I have already pointed out how these claims are false several times but I feel this post does the best job of it.

http://smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=2853147&postcount=1107

Can you please explain to me how voting for an inactive and explicitiy stating in my post that I will unvote them when they post is suspicous?

The problem with this is what, pray tell, am I countering? Nothing. If nothing else I'm adding a bit of fuel to the accusations with this and rightly so.

 

[Chill]

Can you please explain to me how voting for an inactive and explicitiy stating in my post that I will unvote them when they post is suspicous?

 

[Eor]

Chill, please name claim

Don't kid yourself, these people are going to kill you no matter how good your defense is. They want to end the game, and they have a target. It doesn't matter now if you are innocent or guilty.

Only chance you have left is a name claim.

I'm going to re-read the thread to see if I can help. For some reason, I don't think your guilty, although to be fair I haven't read any of these posts. I just didn't feel like you where mafia when I left, and so I feel like you're probably not. Maybe they have amazing evidence against you, maybe not. A name claim is your best bet if you are innocent. Saying "no!" is basically a death sentence. Even if you're the cop/doc, better you tell us so we don't waste a day kill on you. It's the only thing we have, and killing you with it is crippling us.

 

[Eor]

and killing you with it is crippling us

add "if you are innocent" to the end of that sentence

almost edited there

 

[Chill]

I really don't like cussing wether it's on the internet or real life but I feel there is no better way to say this.

I'm the fu

cking cat.

 

[Blazer]

Can you please explain to me how voting for an inactive and explicitiy stating in my post that I will unvote them when they post is suspicous?

We've been over this I was nowhere near innactive.

 

[Blazer]

I really don't like cussing wether it's on the internet or real life but I feel there is no better way to say this.

I'm the fu

cking cat.

Your the cat? The one that shows up for no apparent reason in every episode just to exist?

 

[Chill]

Let me put this to you simply Blazer.

In your own words explain to me why you are voting for me?

 

[Blazer]

Just voting patterns and simple vibes I get from you and the factor that other people agree with said vibes says that I must be at least somewhat correct.

 

[spam_master]

WTF you haven't said "Meow" or anything this whole game I've been checking. I think if FF was gonna make someone the cat he'd make em say meow at least once a day. I mean that's all the the cat does during the enitre show.

 

[Chill]

Meow, Meow!

What's that? Guys I think Chill is trying to tell us something! Why would frozen place such an obvious role revealing restriction on a character when people are constantly praising him as one of the best mafia players? Oh, chill you are so right! That would be stupid.

 

[Blazer]

Spam that was an awful point. Chill is right. Though I would love that restriction I say you do it anyway now that you've revealed.

Unvote:Chill

I refuse to kill the cat.

 

[Eor]

I re-read, and I believe Chill.

I've found his responses good, they fit, and they don't lie. Evidence against him simply seems to be that "he bandwagons", but he has shown again and again why he hasn't. No one cares. And that is what has been bothering me.

I'm not going to go on a long rant about why Chill is innocent, he's already done that. Instead, I'm going to go after people.

First, Ligolski.

All of my original arguments against Ligolski still stand, especially since he immediately unvoted me when I called him on it. I didn't give any more proof or evidence, I just said that I thought he was mafia, and he stopped his vote.

In the Chill lynch, despite knowing that Chill really was on a vacation, he posted the following (http://smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=2847286&postcount=1087)

Basically a repeat of what other people are saying, if he was mafia it would just be an attempt to bandwagon on someone his friend has pushed for.

Moving on, Jiano!

I've already had suspicion against Jiano, and it's still there. And now he is pushing for a vote against Chill, and he is literally cutting posts out and using them out of the obvious context. The big picture is incredibly important, if everyone is saying the same thing, and someone agrees with them, then why would he post a massive cut-and-pasted response to the person and vote? It's not necessary, they can just post "I agree with everyone else" and be done with it.

A major point against Jiano is that he has ignored his own part in Chill's votes. Such as when he said Chill "Goes right back onto Pythag once the bandwagon starts up again", despite doing that himself.

I believe Chill is town, and so to me, Jiano has just pushed for the death of 2 different townies.

I'm going to use something that should have been used on me in SPMII, it's called Occam's Razor, also known as the Zebra Hypothesis. It states that the simplest answer is usually the correct one, or i'f you hear hoofbeats, just go ahead and think "Horses!", not Zebras."

And so it is possible that Jiano could be town and just mistaken. But he has shown to be a smart person, and so it is more likely he is manipulating us. He was the first to push for Chill, and while I'm not sure if he's the first to vote for Pythag, he was a major player in it. The simplest answer is that he is mafia.

Unvote:Ligolski
Vote: Jiano

 

[Eor]

Meow, Meow!

What's that? Guys I think Chill is trying to tell us something! Why would frozen place such an obvious role revealing restriction on a character when people are constantly praising him as one of the best mafia players? Oh, chill you are so right! That would be stupid.

That made me laugh

 

[camo-man]

>.>

I'm going to say that Eor's reasoning makes lots of sense and I'll go with him on this one...

Vote: Jiano

for manipulative playstyle and pushing for lynch of one, possibly two townies.

And I'll believe Chill's nameclaim for now, unless someone counterclaims.

 

[ligolski]

I re-read, and I believe Chill.

I've found his responses good, they fit, and they don't lie. Evidence against him simply seems to be that "he bandwagons", but he has shown again and again why he hasn't. No one cares. And that is what has been bothering me.

I'm not going to go on a long rant about why Chill is innocent, he's already done that. Instead, I'm going to go after people.

First, Ligolski.

All of my original arguments against Ligolski still stand, especially since he immediately unvoted me when I called him on it. I didn't give any more proof or evidence, I just said that I thought he was mafia, and he stopped his vote.

i don't even remember your arguments against me o_O

i believe chill's claim b/c of his frustration though its not to that eor level imo...it seems to me he really is telling the truth

Moving on, Jiano!

I've already had suspicion against Jiano, and it's still there. And now he is pushing for a vote against Chill, and he is literally cutting posts out and using them out of the obvious context. The big picture is incredibly important, if everyone is saying the same thing, and someone agrees with them, then why would he post a massive cut-and-pasted response to the person and vote? It's not necessary, they can just post "I agree with everyone else" and be done with it.

are you advocating bandwagons!!! you are imo with that last statement

A major point against Jiano is that he has ignored his own part in Chill's votes. Such as when he said Chill "Goes right back onto Pythag once the bandwagon starts up again", despite doing that himself.

well from a different point of view he didn't actually switch back to pythag like chill did...u have accused Jiano of doing so and he didn't...bad example

I believe Chill is town, and so to me, Jiano has just pushed for the death of 2 different townies.

wait...come on...almost everyone agreed with the pythag lynch...sure he went after him but then again don't forget to include everyone else who fits this going for 2 townies...which you are only basing off of your belief of Chill being town which still could be a lie...though at this point i am inclined to believe him

I'm going to use something that should have been used on me in SPMII, it's called Occam's Razor, also known as the Zebra Hypothesis. It states that the simplest answer is usually the correct one, or i'f you hear hoofbeats, just go ahead and think "Horses!", not Zebras."

hmmm....adding this in is really pointless...idk but this seems like this could be used to justify vibe votes and that doesn't sit right with me...

And so it is possible that Jiano could be town and just mistaken. But he has shown to be a smart person, and so it is more likely he is manipulating us. He was the first to push for Chill, and while I'm not sure if he's the first to vote for Pythag, he was a major player in it. The simplest answer is that he is mafia.

Unvote:Ligolski
Vote: Jiano

the bolded part is what hits me big time...it sounds arrogant like he "knows" he is mafia...but truly that is impossible unless your gives you that info...and according to eor he is vash and i believe him on that...so i won't vote for him...i would like to point out the above things though in your logic that doesn't sit right with me

o and: unvote: chill

 

[Eor]

i don't even remember your arguments against me o_O

it was a while ago, but it was because I knew the mafia wanted me dead, and you did too.

ii believe chill's claim b/c of his frustration though its not to that eor level imo...it seems to me he really is telling the truth

Because he's frustrated? That's not a good reason to stop voting for someone.

are you advocating bandwagons!!! you are imo with that last statement

1. No, that is not what I did. What I meant was exactly what I said.
2. Not only are you changing the topic, but you're attacking me while leaving out everything I have against Jiano

well from a different point of view he didn't actually switch back to pythag like chill did...u have accused Jiano of doing so and he didn't...bad example

I admit, I forgot Jiano replaced Agent. So while you can say he didn't "switch back", he still started up the second attack on him.

wait...come on...almost everyone agreed with the pythag lynch...sure he went after him but then again don't forget to include everyone else who fits this going for 2 townies

That is the exact same mindset I used when I was mafia trying to not get killed for murdering 4-5 townies

...which you are only basing off of your belief of Chill being town which still could be a lie...though at this point i am inclined to believe him

Why would I lie to myself? Infact, why would I lie to everyone else about believing Chill? If I was mafia, then I assure you a Vash would have popped out by now and said "*****, nah", then put a loose around my neck.

hmmm....adding this in is really pointless...idk but this seems like this could be used to justify vibe votes and that doesn't sit right with me...

Then you obviously have no idea what I said. the simplest answer is usually right. That is it. Not the first answer, not the first guess, but the simplest one. I fail to see how the hell you could mess that up. Well, I see why you're pointing it out, but I'll get to that later. I already address your "pointless" thing before you even posted that. Seriously, did you read my post?

the bolded part is what hits me big time...it sounds arrogant like he "knows" he is mafia...but truly that is impossible unless your gives you that info...and according to eor he is vash and i believe him on that...so i won't vote for him...i would like to point out the above things though in your logic that doesn't sit right with me

o and: unvote: chill

That paragraph was pathetic. I posted the simplest answer was that Jiano was mafia, and gave reasoning for it. Christ, I even used a philosophical response in it. I'm not quite sure how much more you want. Of course I am not 100% sure that Jiano is mafia, no one is ever 100% sure unless they're the cop and investigated someone. Saying that I'm wrong because I'm not 100% sure is total crap.

I was expecting a better mafia performance from you Ligmonster, I'm upset.

Ligolski, as you see, not only immediately dropped his Chill vote, but also attacked my Jiano post by trying to turn it against me. A basic thing to use by mafia partners. If Jiano is mafia, then Lig most likely is. However, if Liggy is killed and proven mafia, it does not prove Jiano, there is way too much doubt left. So I'm keeping my Jiano vote.

 

[DiamondFalcon]

Ok, so Chill's a cat. Do you have any powers/restrictions with that?

I'm not sure what to believe, but I think this partially explains why Chill isn't very enthused. I'm gonna go ahead and unvote, but I expect to see Chill take a more active hand in finding the mafia before I drop my suspicions.
Unvote: Chill

And wow, if Jiano's mafia, Lig's definitely mafia. I at least had a reason to defend Pythag, since he had a similar role as me, this just doesn't seem right. But mafia don't usually lead the lynch... it seems odd that in his first post he would have voted Pythag if he were mafia. Regardless, I think Eor may have something there. I'm gonna wait for Jiano to defend himself.

 

[Ronike]

Hmm... while I am busy with my post in CSI (which is not going well BTW due to bad internet issues...), Im checking on this too, and I have to say, Liggy is troubling me. Its just not like him at all to defend another person, at least not one this suspicious, and so poorly at that! As Eor said, he didnt even address the points against Jiano! Very troubling indeed. Im nigh convinced he and Jiano are in this as mafia members together, as Jiano just isnt doin great either, for reasons previously stated, and it seems like this is a last ditch mafia effort to save a companion. So Im up for eithers vote, Ill just vote at the deadline on whoever is gonna die if I vote.

 

[Ronike]

Oh and I believe Chill, for I have no reason not to and have no idea about anything relating to trigun other than Vash=good... and people use guns...

 

[Jiano]

I re-read, and I believe Chill.

I've found his responses good, they fit, and they don't lie. Evidence against him simply seems to be that "he bandwagons", but he has shown again and again why he hasn't. No one cares. And that is what has been bothering me.

His voting pattern clearly shows that he will jump onto almost any bandwagon that happens, and he hasn't explained why he did it. Maybe he just wants someone to die? I don't know, because he hasn't said why, and I feel like he's just trying to avoid answering.

]I've already had suspicion against Jiano, and it's still there. And now he is pushing for a vote against Chill, and he is literally cutting posts out and using them out of the obvious context. The big picture is incredibly important, if everyone is saying the same thing, and someone agrees with them, then why would he post a massive cut-and-pasted response to the person and vote? It's not necessary, they can just post "I agree with everyone else" and be done with it.

My point wasn't so much with his reasoning(it just adds to it) but his voting pattern. So are you saying that Chill hasn't been bandwagoning all game?

A major point against Jiano is that he has ignored his own part in Chill's votes. Such as when he said Chill "Goes right back onto Pythag once the bandwagon starts up again", despite doing that himself.

What? Please clarify.

I believe Chill is town, and so to me, Jiano has just pushed for the death of 2 different townies.

How do I know they're townies? To me, you have pushed for the death of two townies(Pythag) and me, therefore you're scum, right?

I'm going to use something that should have been used on me in SPMII, it's called Occam's Razor, also known as the Zebra Hypothesis. It states that the simplest answer is usually the correct one, or i'f you hear hoofbeats, just go ahead and think "Horses!", not Zebras."

And so it is possible that Jiano could be town and just mistaken. But he has shown to be a smart person, and so it is more likely he is manipulating us. He was the first to push for Chill, and while I'm not sure if he's the first to vote for Pythag, he was a major player in it. The simplest answer is that he is mafia.

We were on a deadline, and discussion had died, so I went after the person I found the most scummy, I was NOT pushing for the lynch.

This evidence is enough to warrant a vote from me and hopefully get some discussion going.

I said this right at the end of my post, and guess what, it worked, but now it seems to have backfired and is going to get me lynched. Maybe I should have just voted for Ronike and said "I agree with everyone else," because you apparently thinks thats Ok.

 

[commonyoshi]

Wow, that's a lot of stuff to read. I'll do it tommorrow after watching Superbad. I have to do homework for the rest of the night.

No wait...

 

[Jiano]

Hmm... while I am busy with my post in CSI (which is not going well BTW due to bad internet issues...), Im checking on this too, and I have to say, Liggy is troubling me. Its just not like him at all to defend another person, at least not one this suspicious, and so poorly at that! As Eor said, he didnt even address the points against Jiano! Very troubling indeed. Im nigh convinced he and Jiano are in this as mafia members together, as Jiano just isnt doin great either, for reasons previously stated, and it seems like this is a last ditch mafia effort to save a companion. So Im up for eithers vote, Ill just vote at the deadline on whoever is gonna die if I vote.

Maybe he sees that Eorlingas' accusation of me is filled with bad logic and doesn't want to see a townie lynched because of it? Eorlingas is the only person who has said they've found me suspicious, so how can you say "at least not one this suspicious?"

I didn't want the mafia doing a rushed lynched near the dead line so I made a case against Chill(who I found was playing scummy) to promote discussion, and it worked. I know this is WIFOM, but what is the logic(if I'm mafia) to try and promote discussion so we don't lynch a townie? I know if I was mafia I would just sit back and watch as the town doesn't converse.

 

[spam_master]

I'm mafia

CASE CLOSED

 

[Eor]

His voting pattern clearly shows that he will jump onto almost any bandwagon that happens, and he hasn't explained why he did it. Maybe he just wants someone to die? I don't know, because he hasn't said why, and I feel like he's just trying to avoid answering.

He has answered you. Twice.

http://smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=2850493&postcount=1096
http://smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=2851040&postcount=1099

My point wasn't so much with his reasoning(it just adds to it) but his voting pattern. So are you saying that Chill hasn't been bandwagoning all game?

Yep

How do I know they're townies? To me, you have pushed for the death of two townies(Pythag) and me, therefore you're scum, right?

There you go with the "everyone is equal in a lynch" philosophy. Don't deny it, there is no other way to interpret your way of saying I pushed for Pythag. I did, dropped it, then came back to vote. You pushed for his lynch. I don't believe you are town, and you know you are not, but you're going to keep on slipping references that you're town throughout the game to keep it positively reminded in people

We were on a deadline, and discussion had died, so I went after the person I found the most scummy, I was NOT pushing for the lynch.

I said this right at the end of my post,

Not pushing for the lynch? So you're seriously going to say that if everyone killed Chill, you'd be surprised? That it wasn't your intention to have him die? That is bull. If you make a large post against someone, vote for them, then keep doing it against them, then you're pushing for a lynch. Saying that you're not doesn't change matters.

and guess what, it worked, but now it seems to have backfired and is going to get me lynched. Maybe I should have just voted for Ronike and said "I agree with everyone else," because you apparently thinks thats Ok.

Choo choo, here comes the derailing train. Not gonna try and turn this against me, nor is your little "boo hoo i'm helping teh town and yous killed me" argument going to gather sympathy from me.

 

[Eor]

CASE CLOSED

Old .

 

[spam_master]

Well at least I don' take rides on The Derailing Trian

 

[Eor]

I didn't want the mafia doing a rushed lynched near the dead line so I made a case against Chill(who I found was playing scummy) to promote discussion, and it worked.

I'm sorry, but I find that hysterical. You didn't want the mafia to do a rushed lynch, so you made a case against a person and pushed for his lynch.

I know this is WIFOM, but what is the logic(if I'm mafia) to try and promote discussion so we don't lynch a townie? I know if I was mafia I would just sit back and watch as the town doesn't converse.

Not true at all, in any way. You're not promoting discussion, thats a side effect from your Chill votes. Don't try to "switch" what you've done.

 

[Eor]

Well at least I don' take rides on The Derailing Trian

I'm going to laugh at this, because I just made a reference to the derailing train in my last big post. That is, I'm under the impression you haven't read it yet. If you have, then meh.

 

[spam_master]

Also, I really don't feel like readin these posts, but the sheer fact that I know ero is town and that jiano is replying with massive posts makes me think he might be mafia. The fact that he would go forth to so much effort to make his defefences when he only has like two votes on him makes me suspicious.

Also,

UNVOTE: Chill

Oh and I'm just interested to know, is the cat a vanilla or does it do something? No roleclaim like DF said, just if it does anything cause I can't think of anything other than having it meow, cause that's literally all it does in the show.

 

[spam_master]

HOLY CRAP!!!!!!!!!

I totally just remebred you saying it in an old post an thought how hockey it was.

You have no idea how hard I'm loling right now.

 

[Ronike]

Also, I really don't feel like readin these posts, but the sheer fact that I know ero is town and that jiano is replying with massive posts makes me think he might be mafia. The fact that he would go forth to so much effort to make his defefences when he only has like two votes on him makes me suspicious.

I just would like to note that though I currently find Jiano rather scummy, it is not scummy at all to defend yourself. Its called "preventitive action", and most people would try to do it, they just arent active enough.

Also,

UNVOTE: Chill

Oh and I'm just interested to know, is the cat a vanilla or does it do something? No roleclaim like DF said, just if it does anything cause I can't think of anything other than having it meow, cause that's literally all it does in the show.

The cats a running gag from what I can gather, its sort of just a "Where's Waldo" kinda thing, except for one point.

 

[Jiano]

He has answered you. Twice.

http://smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=2850493&postcount=1096
http://smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=2851040&postcount=1099

Yes, he answered by saying "I can't be the first on all the votes." That is not a very good reason.

Yep

Then you don't know what a bandwagon is.

There you go with the "everyone is equal in a lynch" philosophy. Don't deny it, there is no other way to interpret your way of saying I pushed for Pythag. I did, dropped it, then came back to vote. You pushed for his lynch. I don't believe you are town, and you know you are not, but you're going to keep on slipping references that you're town throughout the game to keep it positively reminded in people

I never said everyone is equal in a lynch. I know I keep slipping references in that I'm town, because I am, so why would I try to hide it?

Not pushing for the lynch? So you're seriously going to say that if everyone killed Chill, you'd be surprised? That it wasn't your intention to have him die? That is bull. If you make a large post against someone, vote for them, then keep doing it against them, then you're pushing for a lynch. Saying that you're not doesn't change matters.

I felt he was scum yes, but I wasn't pushing for his lynch. Using your logic if you vote for someone with no reasoning it's Ok, but if you actually back up your vote, you're pushing for a lynch. Awesome.

Choo choo, here comes the derailing train. Not gonna try and turn this against me, nor is your little "boo hoo i'm helping teh town and yous killed me" argument going to gather sympathy from me.

Wow, way to misinterpret what I said. I'm pointing out how bad your logic is voting for someone by saying "I agree with what someone else said," like it's Ok. Guess what? It's not. I can't believe you think I'm actually attacking you with that line.

I'm sorry, but I find that hysterical. You didn't want the mafia to do a rushed lynch, so you made a case against a person and pushed for his lynch.

Uh, what? My post was multiple days before the deadline, how was I trying to a do a deadline rush lynch? Note how I said deadline.

Not true at all, in any way. You're not promoting discussion, thats a side effect from your Chill votes. Don't try to "switch" what you've done.

Considering I said I was promoting discussion in the bottom of my post against Chill, how am I trying to switch what I've done?