Trigun Mafia (GAME OVER! TOWN WINS! Night Actions/Results/PMs posted!)

[Ronike]

Well... I dunno about the rest of you guys, but Im not about to lynch a guy while hes visiting his grandad...

 

[DiamondFalcon]

And I get townie vibes from Kada every time he posts, even though he's inactive, everything he says sounds in the interests of the town.
I'm not sure about Lig, he usually posts a bunch, but I understand he could be busy with the other game or school. It could go either way with him.
And pulling the old, 'I'm important so don't lynch me' number is really risky. If you are telling the truth, you just set yourself up for a nightkill...

 

[DiamondFalcon]

But I'm sorry, yeah, family comes first. I hope everything goes well with your granddad.

 

[KevinM]

No i don't mind Ronike, just give me a moment to chat when i return is all i ask... But by all means don't let that be some kind of pity bait.. its just family issues.

 

[SunJiano]

Well, I personally am low on suspects. I'm going to have to look back a bit and see if I can find anything. I'll definitely be putting a vote down before the deadline.

 

[ligolski]

i gots some time to say something...

a) i am busy with college stuff (ie: visiting and deciding about stuff and my other game a little as well)
b) as for my list of suspicions... at a quick thinking of what i can remember...i would say spam...he has continually atacked kevin for no good reason but for "vibes"...which is horrible imo to reason a lynch
i won't vote, cuz i want to here other suspicions and comments as well

well...its my bday in a couple days!

 

[Blazer]

I've got like ten pages of catching up to do <_<. Can someone just tell me what all major things have occured? Who's supicious of who and why?

 

[spam_master]

i gots some time to say something...

a) i am busy with college stuff (ie: visiting and deciding about stuff and my other game a little as well)
b) as for my list of suspicions... at a quick thinking of what i can remember...i would say spam...he has continually atacked kevin for no good reason but for "vibes"...which is horrible imo to reason a lynch
i won't vote, cuz i want to here other suspicions and comments as well

well...its my bday in a couple days!

I know that you guys don't think it's enough to lynch, and neither do I, but now we have a deadline that ends either when we lynch someone or some conversation starts back up.

So, FF ends up not lifting the deadline and we have to lynch someone, then unless someone drops a pile of evidence in our laps, kevin is the only person I really find suspicious, and no matter how much the group swings I'm not gonna vote for anybody who I don't think is mafia.

And if the deadline ends in it being lifted which I think is much more favorable and much more likely then at least I'll have given us something to talk about.

I don't feel like we have enough evidence to end the day yet, so if we need constructive converstaion to get more time I don't care if it's about me.

 

[Kada]

So, I've had a really busy week, haven't been on the computer a lot, but I've currently been spending 3-4 hours going through this whole game, and I plan to be caught up for tommorow. I've got a lot of things that I want to say when I'm done. I've found plenty of interesting things, and I have it all written down now. Just bear with me a little longer. I'll probably be done in the next 4-5 hours, it's going rather slowly, since I'm jotting down interesting things as they come, and it's kind of hard to organize <_<.

Man, the more I look through the games, and understand them more, I'm seriously realizing just how innactive I really was, and how utterly suspicious I must be. You'll all have to forgive me. I'll hopefully be able to redeem myself later in the game.

Also, a we've got another date for a no-lynch? I've gotta finish up quick <_<.

 

[ligolski]

zomg here comes a post for the ages i guess...i hope to post tomorrow/get on but it tis my bday and i will be visiting Florida Institute of Technology for most of the day...so yea...come on Kada we wait upon you since i don't have time to do what you are about to do...plus it is always easier to read through everything the first time in one massive batch and make comments...thats what i do when i go camping and it is ery interesting as it allows you to see patterns b/c you are not reading portions at a time...

 

[Kada]

OOOOKAY. Took me almost 10 hours, but I've now officially read through this whole topic, cover to cover, while writing down almost everything that comes up. If I were to put this notepad document into Microsoft Word, it would easily be 10+ pages.

I'm gonna start typing up a post now, but my posts take a long time, so I might be a good hour and a half/two hours before I remember/get down all that I want to say. Here's hoping I actually come up with something decent to say.

 

[commonyoshi]

Geez... Just to let you know, you can only put so many characters at one time onto a post. Dont try to get a million words on there. You might have to double or even triple post if it really is going to be that long.

 

[DiamondFalcon]

Let me be the first to say thanks, Kada! If anyone believes you are town, it's me.

 

[Kada]

Alright, lets see. Where to start...? This first one is kind of a bit of a conspiracy theory, but it's been going through my head for a while. And hey, who knows? Maybe it'll actually have something going for it.

Right from when Diamond decided to defend Pythag, who had claimed a Gung-Ho Gun member who was town aligned, I had a little bit of an idea. There are definetly other Gung-Ho Guns out there who are members of the town, and they, without saying it up front, would mentally believe Diamond's role claim, and most likely Pythag's too. The way people posted during that part of the game would likely show who believed them, and who didn't. There is a possibility that a person who had a town-alligned Gung-Ho Gun role would still act like they didn't believe them, maybe because they never thought about it that way, or to lie in purpose. But generally, the way I see it, most of the only people who would be seriously suspicious of those two would be other townies that aren't Gung-Ho Guns. The Mafia would know that they're town, obviously, but they would act totally clueless, just like the non-Gung-Ho townies.

Camo-Man, Smashman, Chill, Spam, Mediocre and Myself (I never posted <_<... but I figured I should say where I stand in this) all decided that they believed that Pythag and Diamond were town members. While GotMink, Kevin, Chill, Common, Ligolski and Jiano all didn't believe their claims. I didn't catch how Ronike, Blazer and Eor thought about it. Although at that point, going through the game again, I didn't bother with watching Eor with tons suspicion, because I was in the first 30-40 pages of the game with the prior knowledge that we believed that Eor is indeed Vash. I know that Eor had perfectly logical suspicions, because from his standpoint as Vash at the time, those two would've seemed very suspicious.

Now, this isn't concrete evidence or anything, and a lot of it doesn't make sense. Things like, even though Smashman, from my theory, would've believed them, he was still the hammer vote on Pythag. But maybe the more experienced would want to pick this apart a little bit. That's, assuming of course, I don't get a "ARE YOU FREAKING CRAZY?! THAT'S THE STUPIDEST THING I'VE EVER HEARD" from everyone regarding this ^^;

Also, keep in mind, we've all come to a general agreement now that there WILL be town members who are members of the Guns, but at the time, it seemed like there was a lot of argument going down about it. You have to think of it as if we were still on Page 30-40 for it to make any sort of sense. It might not make sense anyway, because I honestly have no clue whether or not I've got anything special here. It seems pretty far-fetched, even to me. But at the very least it might spark some conversation.


Regarding other things.

Throughout the whole game, Mediocre's playstyle has really intruiged me. I'm not saying anything about him being Mafia, but I've felt like there's some interesting intentions behind all of his posts. In a way, I agree with the bluntness of things like "If we lynch the stupid people, we're not losing much." No one has any idea how Mediocre normally plays (I believe), and that's a big advantage to have. For now, I just assume that it's a very blunt playstyle, which seems to be fairly intelligent, although the logic is sometimes way out there. I'm sure that some people have been getting a lot of vibes from him, so that's my opinion on that.

I think, out of everyone in this game, it's been Chill that has given me the most suspicion. It's not really anything that he's said, but more everything he HASN'T said. I know that he's a Mafia veteran around here, but I don't exactly know how he's posted in previous games. He seems to be pulling a me, in terms of activity, but he's mini-bandwagoned quite a few people throughout the course of the game. (by that I mean, jumping into an argument with a vote really quick, although not taking it more than a little over half.) He was one of the first people to vote Smashman after Mediocre did, with the same reasoning that Mediocre originally had. "Lets get on with this by lynching the person that we think is stupid." At one point after that, he voted for a no-lynch, and then he voted for Ronike, which, at the time, seemed like a total shot in the dark. If I recall correctly, he said something like "I have the smallest amount of evidence against him, but more than everyone else." He jumped on Blazer, at the same time that Eor and a few others were starting to tear him apart. He also pushed the Cam-Man lynch close to or past the halfway poin. That was when Camo voted for himself, and Blazer made the fourth vote, for those of you who don't recall. He was also the person who got the Pythag snowball rolling for the first time, I personally don't find the Pythag thing suspicious, but I figured I'd present it anyways. Generally, I feel that starting a lynch isn't very suspicious, as much as bandwagoning.

I was going to go back and say something about finding Kevin suspicious, but to be honest, I don't really find him that scummy anymore. Near the begining he pulled a lot of bandwagon votes, in fact, that was almost all he did, but considering that he's had a really rough summer, I wouldn't really use that against him too much. When he's been on long enough to be able to post seriously, he's brought up some good conversation, and made a lot of good points. The fact that so many people are suspicious of him is actually kind of ridiculous. He's bandwagoned a few times, but that's not good enough to base a lynch off of. I actually have to commend him for doing better than me in the midst of all his family turmoil, while I've been sitting here all summer doing nothing, but still not posting <_<. It's not that I believe he's town, but I believe that we don't have enough information to tell yet.

Also, there's a little tidbit of information which you guys may have forgotten, way back from Mask-Man near the start of the game. I was considering just posting it here, but I'm gonna wait to see whether you guys want me to or not. I may find out that all of you already rememberi t. It might mess up commonyoshi a little bit, and I currently trust him ^_^. I'm not going to say anything more about unless you guys really want it.

If this next thing is of any importance to anyone, Smashman has tried to push a mass role-claim twice. He might just like it that way, but you never know if he's a mafiat who wants an easy way to pick off all the power roles.

At this point, I would personally stray away from lynching any of the innactives so soon, which includes Myself, GotMink, Camo-Man, and Chill. (some more than others) I think we can find enough evidence to base a lynch off of someone who's been fairly active throughout the game so far without too much trouble.

Also, I like how Diamond has been defending me the whole time, when other people have been mostly against me. I can't say for sure whether or not that's suspicious at all. But I'm getting tired of Mafia today, I think I'm just gonna take it as a friendly thing ^_^



How's that for an epic post? I really wasn't joking when I said I only talk when it counts <_<. I know I left out a bunch of things, and my ideas are probably really scattered and choppy, since I'm really tired. But that will spark at least a little conversation.

 

[Kada]

You know... when I really think about it. I didn't say a lot that people don't already know. it's just that I wasn't really paying attention before, and it's more of a revelation just to myself. <_<

I think I had something to say about Blazer... but I need to go play some Smash, and get some sleep. I'll try and post more useful stuff tommorow, once I see what everyone has to say about the things that I just posted.

 

[Eor]

I was intrigued by what you posted about Chill.

However, I have been too inactive to add more to this game right now.

I had a lapse of attention to mafia games for a few days, then my senior year started up Monday, and this weekend I'm going to a lake house, meaning I won't be posting at all.

I'll be active once I get my stuff settled.

 

[camo-man]

Erm... I got Metroid Prime 3.... I'll be a bit busy for a while.

*runs*

 

[SunJiano]

Holy massive post, Kada.

I've also went back and tried to find what people have found scummy about KevinM, but I'm just not finding it. No one has really posted anything on him besides "I get bad vibes," either.

Funny you mention all that about Chill, since after also looking back over the thread, found his playing scummy.

unvote Diamond Falcon

Does anyone remember how frozenflame played the very first mafia game? He had said the same thing Medi did and died on night 1. Watch your back Medi.

Vote smashman

I'm voting for him because we need to vote for someone.

Bandwagons onto smashman "because we need to vote for someone."

So I just did the most useless re-read ever.

There's next to nothing to go on but I'd rather base my vote on the smallest amount of "evidence" than none at all.

vote: Roinike

Votes for Ronike with the smallest bit of evidence, but doesn't say what the evidence is.

I thought we already established that FOS are useless?

unvote: Ronike

vote: Blazer

If he says something I'll unvote him rather than waitng for him to say something to vote for him.

Bandwagons onto Blazer.

I too had forgotten about the family situation.

I'm voting for Pythag. He hasn't contibuted much and when he recently voted he gave no reason for doing so.

unvote: Blazer

vote: Pythag

Once other people back off Blazer, Chill also unvotes and goes after Pythag.

unvote: pythag

vote: Agentli

As soon as he gets some votes on him he'll post again and we'll all unvote him. *yawn*

Bandwagons onto the lurker(I've seen many scum vote on lurkers to seem like they're contributing, but they're not.)

Blazer, I hate you.

vote: Pythag

Goes right back onto Pythag once the bandwagon starts up again.

I was suspiscous of Ronike for the some of theesame reasons common was. The difference between me and common was that it was more of what Ronike said.

He says his inactivity is bothering him but he's never mentioned Kada before. If it bothered you why not say something? This seemed familar to me.


So I went back through the topic because I know Ronike has said things like this before. Notice where he says he warned him many a time. Well, I started at the beginning and read right up to this post and nowhere did I see him warn Pythag. To be sure, I looked again and again. I didn't see anything. So if you did not warn him why would you say you did? It looks to me like you wanted to take advantage of the situation for a lynch.

vote: Ronike

Pretty much the only contribution he's made on Day 2 was jumping on Ronike after common did. I'm seeing a common(lol) trend in all of this. Chill has just jumped onto bandwagons with little to no reasoning at all. The Ronike vote today was his only legit vote, in my opinion. So, why lay low and then come in once it looks like a potential bandwagon might happen? Hmm.

To me, Chill appears to be backing other people, trying to seem like he's contributing, but is actually just jumping on any potential bandwagons.

This evidence is enough to warrant a vote from me and hopefully get some discussion going.

Vote: Chill

P.S. Metroid is awesome.

 

[DiamondFalcon]

Idk, something you said earlier in the game really convinced me. Even though you don't post much, you do put good thoughts into those posts.

So it's almost end of Day 2, and we have no prime suspect. This isn't looking real good.

 

[DiamondFalcon]

Oh sorry, missed your post, Jiano. I'll go back and read on Chill again. I did suspect him earlier in the game, but for some reason I let up.

 

[spam_master]

On the issue of kevin I think you guys might have confuse a bunch of people, with just me posting it alot and then others usually shutting me down. In fact I think I've only seen like two other people say they were suspicious of him too.

I know this doesn't help my case any, but I don't want people just jumping him before the deadline because they think that alot of people find him suspicious, when it's reeally far less.

 

[DiamondFalcon]

I think the reason I haven't been as suspicious of Chill for a while was because he stated that he was not very suspicious of me, even after I singled him out for having a bunch of votes. But where is he? He's been on the site recently, but he hasn't even unvoted Ronike yet (if he is even going to). I'd like for him to respond in regards to Jiano's accusations and especially his reasoning for voting Pythag ("Blazer, I hate you.") I will vote on him if he doesn't defend himself before the deadline.

 

[Ronike]

Yeah, hes pretty much as inactive as the next, and suspiscious to boot, so if hes hasnt explained by tomorrow night, Im votin on him. Its good to know I wasnt just paranoid, cause I was suspiscious of him, but didnt say anything for previously stated reasons.

 

[Chill]

Good thing I decided to check this thread. I've been playing Metriod Prime.

Jiano, I've actually addressed all of those post when they were brought up by Diamons Falcon in his vote list. I'll try to re-type what I did to the best of my ability.

unvote Diamond Falcon

Does anyone remember how frozenflame played the very first mafia game? He had said the same thing Medi did and died on night 1. Watch your back Medi.

Vote smashman

I'm voting for him because we need to vote for someone

When I said we need to vote for someone I didn't mean someone needs to die. It was day 1 and the only way people will start talking is if he vote for them.

Votes for Ronike with the smallest bit of evidence, but doesn't say what the evidence is

.
It's the same evidenc I use in the last post you quoted. Only at the time of writing this there was a bit less and it was mostly just his attitude towards other players. It's why I said "evidence" and not evidence.

I'm not going to bother with the Blazer quote as my reasoning is within it. If you find someone suspicous don't FOS them vote for them. Votes are not permanent and can be taken off at any time.

Once other people back off Blazer, Chill also unvotes and goes after Pythag.

Once again my reasoning is within my post. We had forgotten that Blazer was having family issues and that's why everyone unvoted him.

unvote: pythag

vote: Agentli

As soon as he gets some votes on him he'll post again and we'll all unvote him. *yawn*

Bandwagons onto the lurker(I've seen many scum vote on lurkers to seem like they're contributing, but they're not.)

As you can see in my post I had no intention of holding my vote on him because we had been through this vote,post,unvote cycle several times.

Goes right back onto Pythag once the bandwagon starts up again.

I was the first one to vote for Pythag and you were the one to re-start the voting process so this one is kinda useless.

The problem with your case against me is that you only have the post that contain my votes and nothing in between. You don't have the post that contain my reasoning for voting for Pythag or anything like that. If I took every post that another member made and removed all that did not contain votes it would look like mindless voting too. Lame,lame,lame.

 

[DiamondFalcon]

Ok, please explain the "I hate you, Blazer" post as you revoted for Pythag. It's not like anyone was forcing you to vote.

Also, I know it might be the best time to accuse somebody else, but who are your main suspicions, still Ronike?

 

[DiamondFalcon]

^might not be the best time

 

[Blazer]

Yeah the "I hate you Blazer" vote made me all depressed....(JK)

I happen to agree with the others that you have had some pretty suspicious actions in the past. My problem with this is that ANYONE can look suspicious if we were to go back and single out posts like that. Everyone says something that can look scummy if the right thing is said after it.

 

[SunJiano]

The problem with your case against me is that you only have the post that contain my votes and nothing in between. You don't have the post that contain my reasoning for voting for Pythag or anything like that. If I took every post that another member made and removed all that did not contain votes it would look like mindless voting too. Lame,lame,lame.

Ok, usually people include their reasoning within the same post as their vote, or at least summarize, which you did neither. I probably missed it if what you say is true. My main point wasn't your reasoning so much as you were just jumping on anyone who received a vote.

What was your motive behind jumping on almost every bandwagon that happened? Is it some kind of strategy I'm not seeing or what? I know you're not the only person who does this, but you actually seem to know what you're doing in mafia so it worries me a bit.

 

[Chill]

Ok, please explain the "I hate you, Blazer" post as you revoted for Pythag. It's not like anyone was forcing you to vote.

Also, I know it might be the best time to accuse somebody else, but who are your main suspicions, still Ronike?

I don't know why I said "I hate you Blazer" I would have to go back and see what Blazer said before I posted. Do you see what I mean? If you look just at that one post you could say I hate Blazer. And based on that one post you would be correct. But I'm more than certain it was just a joke. I also had a post that went something like this,

I love you Jiano

vote: Pythag

Doesn't say much does it? But if you read the previous post you would now I said this becasuse Jiano agreed with my reasoning after everyone had unvoted Pythag.

I will be out of town until Monday (Night probably). I would appreciate not getting lynched in my absence. kthnx

 

[camo-man]

still playing Metroid... slow progress though. Some people are done already. ;_;

 

[Ronike]

...I have already 100%ed a run and am on a vet speed run... and Im posting more than you...
GET BETTER AT VIDEO GAMES MAN!!!!

Im kidding by the way, I understand Camo's plea and before anyone says its a ploy to allow lurking/inactiveness, he probably is really playing it as there are a fair number of Speed Runners at a metroid site arent even done yet. Im just better MUWAHAHAHA!!!![/rant]

So... yeah... no lynch tonight I guess...

 

[smashman90]

Sry if I have been inactive lately, there was a thunderstorm and I couldn't get on the internet, I will be rereading everything I missed.

 

[spam_master]

I will be out of town until Monday (Night probably). I would appreciate not getting lynched in my absence. kthnx

Unvote: Kevin M
Vote: Chill

I've finally found someone who i really think is mafia and with evidence too, and by his sparse link with kevin I now decrease my kevin vibe level to 40%. Evidence is as follows.

If your a main suspect with a deadline close at hand you don't just say "out of town" until deadline is over and then tell people to not lynch you. I think this may be a ploy, first of all nobody really just says out of town they usually say why especially when you asking so much, and second of all since when are there no computers outside of town? I think you have enough experience to know that anybody whos not a **** won't vote for someone who is inactive. You should know that being gone until a deadline is over is a big deal when your under suspicion and you normally would have posted more, but I don't think you really wanted people to think about it, just too accept it.

I don't doubt that your going somewhere for the long vacation but I don't see why you wouldn't have acces to a omputer and I think you infact will but want to use it as an excuse to escape a lynch. I might unvote if you give a REALLY good reason but I'm not sure if I'll believe it.

 

[Ronike]

Oh... I thought tonight was the deadline.

Funny, I was actually thinking Chill's "Outta town" thingy might be a ploy too... Hmm... Im gonna think on it, but at any rate Im not voting til sunday.

 

[Eor]

Chill is going out of town, he hasn't logged in for a day and he posted a thread in the staffer shack asking someone to look over his room while he was gone.

Spam_master, why the hell would he have a computer? Unless you're rich, hotels don't have them. Even if he is going to a hotel with one, or anywhere with one, why the **** would he want to log onto the internet and spend time playing a mafia game, instead of enjoying his vacation? You don't go on a vacation in order to log onto an internet.

 

[spam_master]

How was I supposed to know that he asked for cover in a board im not in. And, also you assume hes going to a hotel, I usually spend 3 days with family out of town, that's why I want him to post where he is going. And, two if I was under suspicion right now adn I new all I had too do was not get lynched in the next twenty four hours, and I told you that I wasn't gonna be able to log on until the day I was safe so don't lynch me you'd call bs too.

Everyone has been putting forward good evidence against him, and the way he just brushed of any possibilty of him being lynched with a "kthz" really rubbed me the wrong way, like he either thought he had a agreat idea or he was pleased that events had coincided just perfectly to gaurantee he survived.

Request Deadline be extend till Tuesday 12p.m. forum time to allow for chill's return and rebuttle to arguments

 

[DiamondFalcon]

I'm gonna go ahead and vote as well. Even though I'm not sold on Chill being mafia, he is doing a bad job of trying to explain himself, which is part of the duties of a townie. I'd appreciate the deadline being extended for the sake of giving him more time to defend himself if he really is town, but I doubt it.
Vote: Chill

 

[GotMink]

I'd like to be replaced

 

[spam_master]

Requesting you skip Dark_ermac in the list of replacements

Also, I'm sorry about being very needy lately, It's just that I can barely stand dealing with him in two games.

 

[ligolski]

hmmm interesting post...i am a little suspicious of chill and most of the inactives...but seeing how it is summer still....yea...

gtg