Trigun Mafia (GAME OVER! TOWN WINS! Night Actions/Results/PMs posted!)

[ligolski]

sorry i was gone all day helping out at a community thing today...

a) don't discuss SPM while its still in progress...its unfair to that game...unless ur talking about play styles, but u guys are attacking each other for other things

b)i believe pythag for his trying to mix it up...it just didn't work...if i was mafia and had to come up with an excuse, i wouldn't have done anything like that...

c)anyone with suspicions of others want to post some reason to go along with it...to discuss since we need it

 

[Pythag]

Blazer, you really need to chill man.
So I'm drawing conclusions by how I see it.
You can change my opinion just by getting freaking mad at me. That would be this game getting to you and it's really childish.
If I suspect you are mafia, do you expect me to remain silent?
Are you just mad that I found out you are mafia in BOTH GAMES????!?! /sarcasm
Seriously. I found you suspicious and I said so. Do you see a freaking vote on
you??
No.
That's what I thought.
My "problem" with you is I find you incredibly suspicious! I'm sorry, I have no personal qualms with you, I just think the way you play is quite suspicious! I can't wait for you to prove me wrong by being the cop, but right now I've only played .5 games with you , and therefore have yet to see if you are truthful.
Why must you blow up because I (and this appears to be only me) think you are suspicious?

 

[Pythag]

I need to find a replacement word for suspicious, heh.

 

[Blazer]

Blazer, you really need to chill man.
So I'm drawing conclusions by how I see it.
You can change my opinion just by getting freaking mad at me. That would be this game getting to you and it's really childish.
If I suspect you are mafia, do you expect me to remain silent?
Are you just mad that I found out you are mafia in BOTH GAMES????!?! /sarcasm
Seriously. I found you suspicious and I said so. Do you see a freaking vote on
you??
No.
That's what I thought.
My "problem" with you is I find you incredibly suspicious! I'm sorry, I have no personal qualms with you, I just think the way you play is quite suspicious! I can't wait for you to prove me wrong by being the cop, but right now I've only played .5 games with you , and therefore have yet to see if you are truthful.
Why must you blow up because I (and this appears to be only me) think you are suspicious?

My problem is that you have singled me out for feeling the same way as everyone else. It seems to me that you want to point out my flaws in both games as well. You wouldn't have made mention that me feeling suspicious of Eor in SPM was a problem normally and you know it, especially since I have made VERY little objection to Eor in SPM.

 

[commonyoshi]

Umm... What makes me suspicious, Pythag? Overly dramatic???

Spoiler

profit

And your "I was trying something new" thing. Yeah, if that's true, dont do that. It makes us want to kill you.

 

[Blazer]

Also like to point out that if you are the ONLY one that thinks I'm suspicious there is something wrong with your logic. You seem to either A: Have discovered something noone else has any clue of. B: Have extremely different logic. Or C: Have a personal issue.

I took it as C since it's happening in BOTH games apparently.

(A replacement word for suspicious is going to the top of my list of things to find.)

 

[camo-man]

dubious, dodgy, iffy, fishy, shady, shifty, untrustworthy, irregular, devious

All presented by Microsoft Word thesaurus.

 

[Ronike]

lol camo man. Im not sure if I buy the "try something new", but you have shown you are at the VERY least, reasonably intelligent, and what you were doing is so radically different and just stupid, that I suppose that reason is somewhat believable. Just dont do it again.

Anyway, if I was mafia alligned, why would I have given you time to respond? It was fairly popular to vote on you, and I could have easily done so and none would have been the wiser. And it would have made offing a strong player real easily. Instead, I gave you some time to return and explain yourself. Its that short cause thats the random number my calc gave me.

Blazer, chill man. Eor fits just make you seem more suspiscious than you really are often times. Plus they get on my nerves. Well anyways, its not just him that finds you suspiscious Im sure, your playing style is very suspiscious in all the games you've played. So either you are really un/lucky and have gotten evil alligned for three straight games (unlikely) or you just have a bad playing style.

 

[Eor]

I'm sorry, but I'm calling bull on Pythag's response. He was trying a new strategy? We all agree that Pythag is a smart person, so why, why would he change his strategy from posting to not giving any reason? Changing your strategy is not turning from smart to dumb, its turning from inquisitor to defender, hardballing it to messing around half the time.

If that was the truth, it would make sense for him to say it once everyone started voting for him. The only diffrence then and from when he did post was that I stopped backing him, and I made my post. When we where voting on him, he posted saying "Unvote: Spam!", meaning he was reading our posts. And he didn't care. Then I made my post, and he comes out saying it was a "strategy" he was using?

I don't believe it. He might not be mafia, but if he isn't, then I'd say he's independent. It might even be more likely that he's independent, running low as a crazy man, in order to miss both the lynches and mafia night kills.

But, either way, it's not a town thing to do. I'm keeping my vote.

Blazer, your posts rose my suspicion again. Mainly that you're trying to claim Pythag is voting on your for personal reasons. It's throwing off what he's saying. Just because you and me vote for the same person does not mean it's for the same reasons, nor are we equal in it. I wouldn't say that Pythag has a vendetta against you.

 

[smashman90]

Sorry if I haven't posted lately, been reading the last Harry Potter book.

Does anybody have a link to a list of minor characters from the Trigun anime/media? I have also working on a list of which side all of the characters could be on. That way if we ever plan on doing a name claim, then it can help us find out who's mafia and who's not. I have already done the main characters but I haven't had much luck on finding minor characters.

 

[Pythag]

Eor you are absolutely correct about everything.
Except, I am town.
I know it was stupid, I've mentioned this.
I've pretty much accepted my fate
The "Unvote spam!" was a post I had difficulty on.
I wasn't sure wether or not to try and keep it up. Obviously I did.
When I read ronike's post (I honestly didn't even know you had written all that stuff until about an hour or two ago)
of giving me 24 hours or what not, I thought about it and decided just to come clean.
I know what it looks like. It looks extrodinarily suspicious.
My defense will stand that I did feel like trying something new.
Also that I am a townie, and lynching me will only result in a lessening of the population turning favor to the mafia.
anything else you would wish to know?
oh, and eor is especially right about my extreme lack of vendetta.

 

[Pythag]

As far as characters go.
Pro-town
Vash
Wolfwood
Meryl
Millie
Cat?

Mafia
Knives
Legato
Gung-ho-Guns -I know he's not going to use all of them in the mafia, so maybe some could potentially be pro town?

Minor characters
Loose Ruth
Frank the Gunsmith
Nebraska Family members
Brilliant dynamites neon
Rem
"The Boss" (episode 1 of the tv show)

Those are the only ones I could really think of.
I may have to watch them all over again.

 

[smashman90]

I got most of those except for some of the minor characters. If I remember correctly, wasn't Wolfwood a Gung-ho Guns member? Oh well, but thanks for the help Pythag.

 

[Pythag]

wolfwood was an apprentice to the a gun-ho-gun priest.
Technically Yes he is a gung ho gun, but at the same time, he's never with them. So I kinda separate him from the rest.

 

[Eor]

When I read ronike's post (I honestly didn't even know you had written all that stuff until about an hour or two ago)

That's a direct lie

. In fact I am not suspicious at all of eor. He took a logical approach to my "silence" and only voted on me after rational thinking.

You said that in your post where you "came out". You said I used rational thinking, meaning that you read and understood what I wrote. And now you say you hadn't read it when you posted.

 

[Eor]

To anyone with Trigun mafia: Are there characters that would obviously be power roles, such as the cop/doctor? Or characters that would more then likely be so?

 

[smashman90]

I am assuming here, but here is my list of characters with possible roles:

Vigilante-Nicholas D. Wolfwood (If he is a Townie)

Docs-There is a person called Doc and sometimes he is called sensei, and there's another person called Doctor Conrad. I would say that Doc/Sensei is most likely the character to be the Town Doc.

Masons-Meryl and Milly most likely.

Cop- There aren't any main characters that would be the cop, so whoever our cop is, must be a minor character. I don't really know alot of minor characters though.

The mafia members are most likely Knives, Legato, and a few of the Gung-Ho Guns.

I hoped I helped here, but these are just guesses though, I could be wrong.

 

[Eor]

Right, ok

I was just wondering, because if there weren't any obvious answers (for the major roles), then I would suggest a role claim, as there doesn't seem to be that many characters to hide in.

 

[smashman90]

I am all for the role claim. The main town characters are Vash, Wolfwood, Meryl, Missy, the cat and maybe the Doc. And there isn't much town minor characters either. So with the lack of choices, that can hurt them.

 

[Ronike]

I dont think a role claim would be a good idea this early, especially since the doctor would be real obvious. Sure, the doc could false claim, but like you said, there are so few pro town roles that the doc could likely get caught in it and therefore either be lynched accidentally or night killed. I dont think its really worth it to lose the doc and give the mafia a good idea of who the cop is...

 

[smashman90]

But then again, most of the minor characters that I know of are from the anime. I don't know if there are more/less are in the manga or not. That and we don't know how many mafia members are in this game.

 

[Eor]

Yeah, no name claim. Power roles would be revealed, real bad

With there being 16 slots, I'd say around 3-4 mafia, with 2 independents

 

[smashman90]

True, but it takes nine votes to lynch, and if your calculations are correct eor, then that means that we got about 10-11 townies and we would have enough members to lynch a mafia member, maybe 2 mafia members if we do have a vigilante and he nightkills the right person. And since most mafia's can only nightkill one person per night, we should be able to take them down. I don't know if the independents(if any) can nightkill too, so we might want to take that into consideration.

 

[Pythag]

the only problem with all that is, what if the town is wrong about the roles.
Like what if someone claimed to be wolfwod, and we decided that he was the vigilante. We lynch him, and it turns out he was the cop or something.
That's the only problem I forsee.

 

[Kada]

I've spent the last few days watching the Trigun anime. So, hey. At least I've got a bit of knowledge about the characters now. Not to mention that It's a great show, definetly an enjoyable 10 hours of watching.

Forgive me for being a little scarce. I'm new to this, so I'm more just observing how people are reacting to certain situations. And, It's still day 1, and I honestly don't have a lot to say o_o. Unlike some people I know, if I have nothing to say, I just keep quiet. Which may turn out to be harmful to me here. I've definetly been keeping up though, I check this board a lot.

So yeah, just letting you all know that I'm alive, if anyone even remembered that I'm here

 

[ligolski]

ok, i am against at this point a name claim...plus the list you gave us wasn't even close enough to 16, the amount of people in this game...so there must be lots of others...

eor...i am a little confused about your post where u said it was a direct lie and the other statement underneath...could you expand by quoting what you are talking about?

 

[Blazer]

Why are we even suggesting a name claim on the first day!?! Do we honestly need to have our doctor and our cop killed off one after the other?

I understand the list of characters that's great but, seriously save the name claim for later so we don't get owned this early on.

 

[DiamondFalcon]

Hmm, if it comes down to it, I have no problem name claiming, but I think it might be a risk. Perhaps we better wait until Day 2 before we decide on something big like that, to give us a chance to see what happens.
Oh and just because I unvoted you Pythag doesn't mean you're off my radars...

 

[Pythag]

Completely understood.

Eor, it wasn't really a intentional lie (I don't know why I'm bothering, you're not going to believe me)
But when you essentially took credit for why I started posting (something like, "He's posting now because of my big post and vote on him") I had merely wanted to clear it up that I was not writing because of that. The only thing that I had on my mind was ronike's 24 hr limit. When I started posting, I checked back to see what I had missed, and lo and behold, I saw that you had voted for me.

Don't worry though, I don't find you suspicious. heh.
anyway, yes I eventually did see what you wrote, but it was in no way the catalyst for why I posted.

 

[KevinM]

I'm back guys and cleared up..

i guess i'll fill myself in posts for later

 

[commonyoshi]

The only problem I have with the "I was trying something new" thing is that any one of us can do it in any game. If we chose to believe you, we'd have to settle for this excuse everywhere. I just dont like it. Maybe you're telling the truth. In that case, sucks for you.

Heck, I'm all for the name claim. Doctor is a crappy role, and it's been said, I believe, that we cant be sure which character could be the cop. Good way of isolating the baddies. But I dont have any idea what's what is Triugn so I'll stay out of this.

 

[spam_master]

Am I correct in thinking that all our biggest suspicions lie with blazer and pythag?

I don't reallyhave a problem with blazer, and I don't really have any questions for him.

But, I would like to know, now that pythag is explaining the thing's he did, what the reason was he voted for me. Even if your weren't giving reasons for the vote due to your strategy there had to be some reason you voted for me.

If you were just voting randomly during a time when we actually had real discuccion, then you were just voting to seed confusion and that is very mafia in my book. Perhaps you were even trying to defend a fellow mafia who was under suspicion by moving the topic onto yourself.

 

[Chill]

I'm keeping my vote on Pythag. I find the way you were playing to be "shady" (thanks camo ) and still do.

Under no circumstances should we have a role claim on day 1. Seriously guys?

 

[ligolski]

The only problem I have with the "I was trying something new" thing is that any one of us can do it in any game. If we chose to believe you, we'd have to settle for this excuse everywhere. I just dont like it. Maybe you're telling the truth. In that case, sucks for you.

Heck, I'm all for the name claim. Doctor is a crappy role, and it's been said, I believe, that we cant be sure which character could be the cop. Good way of isolating the baddies. But I dont have any idea what's what is Triugn so I'll stay out of this.

i don't think that the doctor is really all that crappy even though it is hard for him to protect the perfect person BUT in a smaler game such as this and with the obvious important people going to be killed off first it is pretty easy who the doctor should probably save and who the mafia are going to kill first...i hope that made sense...also DO NOT FORGET THE COP!!! he is extremely important and will be sold out...remember the main characters will probably have better roles than others and name claiming points out who these people are

 

[Pythag]

lig to address what you wrote earlier, there are more than enough characters.
In the gunghoguns alone (minus wolfwood):
Monev the Gale
Dominique the Cyclopes (I'm guessing role-blocker)
E.G. Mine
Rai Dei the Blade
Leonuf the puppet master
Gray the ninelives
hoppered the gauntlet
Zazie the Beast
Midvalley the hornfreak
Caine the longshot
Elendira the Crimsonnail
Livio the Double Fang
Razio the Tri punisher of death.

But if he's used all of these characters, there's no way that all of them are mafia.
I don't know what to think of that

 

[ligolski]

thats what i am saying, there isn't enough town players...it seems...i maybe wrong...i don't know trigun

 

[KevinM]

Man.. a lot of stuff has happened huh..

I'm a little wary of pythag's erratic posts...

 

[Pythag]

Ha. Join the club.
if today is just gonna end with me being lynched, why not just get it over with?
I've stated my case, and no matter how hard you question, it's not going to change!
Nor am I going to change my statement about being town.
So If you don't believe me, there's nothing more I can do.
Well, I guess I could role reveal, i don't know if that would convince you either
whatevef.

 

[Blazer]

Unvoteythag


Your accepting the fact that your gonna end up lynched probably and you've tried your best to give us information before you die. Next time, don't go off and try to do something different.

 

[KevinM]

Pythag no worries mate i can't base anything off of it, i've just been to out of it to help out it's all getting back into the swing of thigns atm