Heatstroke just stumped himself, but I'm too lazy to correct various points in this post so I'm just posting it as is.
Heatstroke said:
{About stumping}That doesn't make sense, you're out of the game where it matters, your vote.
Rule 6 (Portion redacted) was originally the idea that we could have town stumps commandeer (take control of) any vote of any living townie. I rejected it because I thought that stupid townies would lose the game for us, but it might be something to consider. Essentially, the eldest stump can control one person's vote and has first choice, and the next senior stump controls one person of their choice of who's left, etc. What do you all think of that idea? Heatstroke, that would let you keep your vote if you are town. You could even take mine if you wanted to.
Paprika said:
stumps even keep their real vote, why would we make people lose their virtual vote? (unless they are revealed as scum)
I just had a thought: Mafia can stump in hopes of us stumping more town before the day end. (they will die regardless, might as well hope to take more town with them)
I don't understand what you mean here. Saying that phrase kills you. When you are dead, you can't vote. But, you have the special ability to keep posting. Also, why does the second part even matter? If they just let it go to Night, they'd get their Night Kill, then it's Day again, and we're back to stumping.
Brockin said:
Your reason for scumminess for Pierre lacks detail, and makes you feel extreamly lazy. Either speak your reasons or say he's neutral.
What, Pierre can't fight his own battles? Buddy Pierre for us some more, buddy.
Brockin said:
I would love to speak more if Cello wasn't mad at me for not posting the logs (same ones that Mod said we can't).
You've said various bits to this effect multiple times. What, one person has you so cowed that you feel you can't even share your opinions? That's ridiculous, and is wasting time, to boot. Anti-town sentiment, at best. Talk.
About Heatstroke: We have here before us a person that claims he dutifully read the opening rules and with proper form (I'm imagining this even with offered obeisance) submitted his role confirmation. This is also the same person that didn't understand until it was spelled out to him how stumping works and what it does (and frankly, may still not). I cannot imagine this person having truly read the rules, in full and complete detail, and confirmed. This person has lied. He is a liar. He must be punished.
SSBF,
SSBF said:
I agree with you, but if there's one thing I want you to know, it's that there is one good thing about a townie lynch. Now don't get me wrong, I'm not interested in an Townie lynch at all, as a matter of fact, I hate seeing townies lynched. However, the difference between a townie lynch and an no lynch is that a townie lynch gathers some form of information to use later in the game. A No Lynch brings absolutely nothing to the table and the only thing we would have is an night kill which may or may not help us later out.
This lynch information is only useful if properly interpreted. More importantly, this information is gained just as effectively by forcing a stump the following Day. Are you just not reading my rules, or what? Any and all hammers not sanctioned
by me by the collective will of the Town after the three scum are lined up are a sure indicator of scum. Don't argue with this. Further, given the mechanics of this game (this is very important), we DO gain something from a No Lynch in the extraordinarily unlikely scenario you suggested;
three random (at worst) extra lynches. (especially after Macman is adding seven extra days from a stumping [which really should not be the case; this game is impossible for scum to win now without serious, serious error on Town's behalf])
SSBF said:
I would say The Jester, but he's getting replaced, so that's not an option. It would have to be someone who has been relatively inactive and has a null read. The closest I can find is Sworddancer, who made a few posts, disappeared for awhile, and came back. He currently has a null read here, so if I was forced to do an stump, I would do one on Sworddancer.
This disgusts me. You've been touting the merits of lynching for information, but you want to lynch inactives that would yield nothing in those terms? If you're going to be wrong, be consistently wrong. What about me or my three adversaries?
SSBF said:
You are not the mod of this game, please don't do vote counts or even virtual vote counts.
I'm calling a virtual vote count because...it's not a vote count. Macman isn't going to do them, so I am.
SSBF said:
I'm not really liking this post. This can be used as an scum tactic because it can give scum the opportunity to clear them self of a lynch, providing that everyone goes through with it.
No...it can't. If he stumps himself, he's revealed as scum and is dead. There's no clear there. If you meant that it could be a ploy to make himself seem townie, then sure. But, that's true of anything.
SSBF said:
Although I do support Heatstroke, the argument between him and Cello Marl looks to get nowhere anytime soon. I also really hate the numerous times that Heatstroke and Cello Marl asked them to kill them self, very anti-town.
Do you just repeat what more experienced players have said hoping that you'll say it at the right time? Voting for yourself in a normal game and/or getting yourself lynched is stupid. The very different nature of this game greatly skews the power balance in favor of Town.
Not taking advantage of it would be ****ing stupid. You've spoken several times of information lynches. Wouldn't knowing Heatstroke or my alignment be...oh, I don't know... valuable information? Why do you not wish to know at least one of our alignments? In a normal game, with 9 v 3, we'd have two mislynches. Here, we have five misstumps. Three freely available information stumps. AND WE DON'T LOSE THEIR OPINIONS EITHER. Why why why why? Don't you want to know?
SSBF said:
Cello Marl, I want you to rank all of us (Excluding The Jester) from scummiest to most townie and give explanation why.
This would be useless. Until I see at least one of their flips, Pierre, Brockin, and Heatstroke are the scummiest to me. I need information that can gained by their deaths. If I am wrong, then I can reevaluate my opinions on everyone that isn't Summoner or Today. (I'm allowing for error on tHe-Man, take that as you will)
Actually, I could be persuaded to have you (SSBF) stump yourself. Mostly because of these sorts of sentiments...
SSBF said:
We need to focus on stumping relatively inactive players that has an relatively null read. They will be the least important votes of the game until they start contributing more.
What? Having a person stump is the same as lynching them. It garners the same information (by virtue of "votes" on them, and we get their flip), except that we get to keep them around to talk.
DON'T FEAR THE STUMP. THINKING THIS WAY AND ACCEPTING IT IS WHY WE CAN ASSUME THAT PEOPLE THAT REFUSE TO STUMP ARE SCUM.
Also, what do you think about Today? You've said that you want to lynch Summoner for my support of him. But I think Today's slot is the towniest town to ever town a town.
