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Because you can combo out of Down Throw which will result in them giving you space because they want to DI away and NOT take any more damage. If you can't combo them then they're at a percentage where DThrow knocks them too far in which case there is still no need to Forward Throw them unless it's some weird situation like there is a Grenade or Claymore behind snake and you want to hurl him into it because you know he's going to DI that way.
0:07 ~ 0:08 - You're rolling again. Stop rolling. Why are you approaching Marth with a roll? Are you aware that he can hit you with Dancing Blade then combo you with FAir or frame trap? I suggest you change your shield button so you stop doing it habitually because that's what you're doing.
well i like to forward throw occasionally. especially if its a character that has trouble getting back on stage - youll put them in a tougher position than if you would have dthrown (and theyre out of dthrow combo percents ofcourse)
Yeah, I can agree with that.
You want to first make him want to approach by camping. That is your first job in this match-up. Once you've taken the lead, you need to shut down his aerial approach or make him very cautious when trying to approach you. Don't be afraid to use those tethers and UAirs because a lot of times you didn't take full advantage of them. Even NAir or simply running underneath him would have been a good option a number of times here. He would've of had time to FF Grab you and Dedede's options to punish what's behind him aren't that good. Once you've succeeded in making him want to approach from the ground or take risks while in the air, you'll start to see patterns that you can abuse and then the game is pretty much yours. I noticed a couple of times he pinned you against the ledge with F-Tilt. If you see him doing that, you can try to SH Backward before it reaches you then land with a PShield for the next one and punish it. I think that's sort of hard to do so you may want to just try Whistle > FAir or something like that. Try CPing him to Lylat where he can **** up his recover, you can shark the ledges, he can get rapped on platforms, he finds it more difficult to land, and the ceiling is high enough to help you survive UTilt while the blastzones are close enough for you to throw him out.
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sure =P
What? I'm so confused .-. lmao, what are you trying to say?
oh really? i always thought i noticed the extra range for blue/whites O_o what about pivot grabs though? since grab ranges change for that. but yeah thats interesting ill have to test it out.
well see the thing is youre comparing exact pummels and throws. if i grab with anything other than a white, ill usually only pummel once, then throw. sometimes when theyre at high percents i wont pummel at all since i dont want them to DI. and that was the whole point i was getting at. i said,
meaning that you can pummel the **** out of your opponent with a white, where in any other situation you would NOT have pummeled a lot. so you get like... maybe 3 pummels, sometimes more because the point is to catch the opponent off guard so they start mashing late, thats 9-11 damage, plus 6 for a throw, where normally you would have only grabbed and throw, and MAYBE thrown in a pummel or two.
TBH, I have no freaking idea how to accurately test pivot grab ranges. ^^;
I have read this several times and I still don't understand what you're getting at.
i would say grabbing with whites is superior to grabbing with reds and yellows WHEN the opponent is at mid to high percents. if theyre at mid percents, you can usually do follow up damage with a white where a red or yellow would fail. you probably wouldnt be able to follow up with with a blue or purple either, but they do really nice damage and have good knockback. and at high percents the pummel damage will not only unstale your kill moves, but do a lot of damage (like i said, not an INSANE amount) so thats why i think at mid/high percents blue/purps > whites > red/yellows.
you are not wrong, but i said, i intentionally DONT pummel a lot with other colors because when i do get that white grab, i want to catch my opponent off guard. if i try to maximize my pummels every time i grab, my opponent will always be ready to mash like crazy when they get grabbed. but if i only pummel once or not at all with other colors, when i do grab with a white (and it happens fairly often which is why i do it), itll pay off because ill pummel them as much as i think i can and then throw.
its situational, yes. but i think it pays off. like i said before, grabbing with a white is not a rare occurance for me. sometimes your opponent is right in your face when a white is next in your line, so grabbing them would be more beneficial than throwing it because youre just gonna get punched in the face if you throw it.
