Llumys
Smash Champion
I honestly think separate forums would be completely unnecessary.
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Tournaments now separated by game cuz of this thread, read OP
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the forum's name is ****ing smashboards; you're telling me you can't make a subforum for not only one of the games our forum is dedicated to, but a game that still yields nearly half as many people per tourney as brawl does?
we have zelda and f-zero forums ffs.. these are higher priority than a tourney listing forum for melee?
EDIT: brawl players shouldn't really have a say in this considering A. their game is a joke and B. it doesn't pertain to them anyway
Overswarm
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Congratulations! You just shot yourself in the foot and made yourself sound like a complete tool. This thread may or may not diverge into a massive flame war and a ton of infractions, but at least the popular game that has good turnouts every weekend knows not to host Melee! Some TOs have considered giving it a try again, but there are always more "Hax" players out there. It's a good thing that this forum isn't owned by MLG, otherwise any potential fighting game circuits held by MLG might see the rift between Melee and Brawl and wisely decide to not include Melee because there is a high likelihood of misconduct from the Melee people booing Brawl during the event!
Congrats, Hax! You just made the forum post equivalent of touching yourself in public.
stating the truth is equivalent to touching yourself in public???
Overswarm
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http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/bigdogmetoo.htmstating the truth is equivalent to touching yourself in public???
You're "me too".
what are you?
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
I'd like to knoow why this is an issue at all, the only arguments I see opposing this is conservatism (why change?) and lack of volume.
However, unless there is a truly major difficulty in making the change, if it's more effective, that's of more importance then a minor issue because it's benefits overall are considerable. Even if it IS difficult, then it must be considered as a cost/benefit ratio.
As far as lack of volume, two issues with that. Firstly, though there may be few tournaments, but there are still quite a few players, which bring me to my second point on this issue, poor advertisement on smashboards is at least partially to blame for lack of tournaments because it hurts their attendance, having a separate section would help rectify this.
I mean, seriously, look at the melee attendance at events like Genesis, look at where 90% of the pound 4 discussion is at. Look at the European scene.
Melee lost some popularity because of Brawl, but I doubt that it will die any time soon, it's maintaining a great degree of strength, and it seems due for a resurgence.
Rather then feeding the cycle and making things worse, let's try to make things better, remember, we're all smash players.
However, unless there is a truly major difficulty in making the change, if it's more effective, that's of more importance then a minor issue because it's benefits overall are considerable. Even if it IS difficult, then it must be considered as a cost/benefit ratio.
As far as lack of volume, two issues with that. Firstly, though there may be few tournaments, but there are still quite a few players, which bring me to my second point on this issue, poor advertisement on smashboards is at least partially to blame for lack of tournaments because it hurts their attendance, having a separate section would help rectify this.
I mean, seriously, look at the melee attendance at events like Genesis, look at where 90% of the pound 4 discussion is at. Look at the European scene.
Melee lost some popularity because of Brawl, but I doubt that it will die any time soon, it's maintaining a great degree of strength, and it seems due for a resurgence.
Honestly Hax, I will always agree that Melee is a far better competative game, but we gotta remember that the community is made of both melee and Brawl players, and the Brawlers outnumber us. To get what we want, we gotta be diplomatic, so while I get your sentiment and agree with your frustration, please scale it back a bit, to get this, we need the Brawlers to agree.
Overswarm, please, I know you didn't start this, but responding in kind only makes things worse.
Rather then feeding the cycle and making things worse, let's try to make things better, remember, we're all smash players.
Prawn
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More intelligent?
JFox
Smash Hero
that was the most cornball post ive ever read, but dudes right. Hax and Overswarm get the melee v brawl garbage outta here.
I'll try to get this done...probably won't work but ill give it a shot.
Hey alphazealot, wanna help out if ur still readin this thread...
I'll try to get this done...probably won't work but ill give it a shot.
Hey alphazealot, wanna help out if ur still readin this thread...
Tichinde925
Smash Legend
**** YOU ALL! What about Smash64 tournies huh?
No <3 what so ever for Smash64!
No <3 what so ever for Smash64!
congratulations! nobody gave a **** about you until metaknight came out
not only is smashboards owned by MLG, should brawl EVER be picked up (which goes against microsoft sponsoring a significant portion of MLG and therefore would never happen) a melee community wouldn't even be necessary to take it off the circuit. melee was considered a joke by MLG as it is; do you really think brawl stands a chance? your game's ****ing world champions (ally/m2k) have made it clear that they play the game strictly for money; take these champions and place them in a MLG interview meant to publicize brawl. their lack of motivation alone would steer potential brawlers away - something MLG does not like. you for example are a 23-year old boring mother****er who spends the majority of his life on smashboards spewing internet jokes that aren't even remotely funny while thinking he deserves respect because he's able to make money off mashing the B button. MLG brawl interviews would not only be dull, the game lacks nearly enough depth for a substantial conversation. this is all in addition to MLG only hosting microsoft-affiliated games, and so this was all irrelevant in the first place. considering you have 12,000 posts with i'm assuming the majority made since march 2008 since nobody gave a **** about you before then, i'm amazed by your stupidity
you are an idiot in taking a sample size of 1 (me) and establishing it as the basis of the melee community's behavior. scar and i are probably the only ones who are even remotely rude honestly and it's usually for humorous purposes; you're a hypocrite considering you've made yourself look like just as much of a douchebag as i yet you're accusing me
you also ignore the substance of my argument; that f-zero/zelda/etc. forums are prioritized before a melee tournament listings subforum while writing an essay praising MLG, a company you clearly don't know **** about
Eggm
Smash Hero
All I'm seeing right now is that the reasoning for the games to be separate is spite and not necessity.
Apparently the games need to be separate because (some) Melee players can't resist saying things like this:
Melee was not considered a joke by MLG. Brawl is not considered a joke either.
Melee's world champion also felt much like Ally/M2K do: Ken played for money. Actually, most of the old school "pros" played for or factored money heavily in their desire to compete. Regardless of how great Melee is, most of the old school players were bored of playing the same game in 2007/2008 as they did in 2003, but they stuck around largely cause of money. What you see today are mostly the good players from the old school days who had picked up the game late (usually 2006 or 2007) and couldn't compete with the top level talent.
The top 8 players in MLG's 2006 circuit were:
Ken, PC Chris, Chu Dat, KoreanDj, Mew2King, Isai, Azen, Hugs
Of these players only ChuDat, Mew2King, Azen, and Hugs are still around. Of these players, all still play Brawl and still dabble in Melee (winning with Melee-skills they haven't focused on developing since Brawl was released).
For the first time since 2006 MLG is also now hosting a non-Xbox 360 event. They now hold the Madden Challenge and they run it using PS3's.
Apparently the games need to be separate because (some) Melee players can't resist saying things like this:
And (some) Brawl players can't resist saying things like this:Hax said:
---Overswarm said:
You know I interviewed Chillin in the first-ever Smash interview on MLG in September 2005 after he had his first tournament victory in Singles. You would have been what? 11 at the time?Hax said:
Melee was not considered a joke by MLG. Brawl is not considered a joke either.
Melee's world champion also felt much like Ally/M2K do: Ken played for money. Actually, most of the old school "pros" played for or factored money heavily in their desire to compete. Regardless of how great Melee is, most of the old school players were bored of playing the same game in 2007/2008 as they did in 2003, but they stuck around largely cause of money. What you see today are mostly the good players from the old school days who had picked up the game late (usually 2006 or 2007) and couldn't compete with the top level talent.
The top 8 players in MLG's 2006 circuit were:
Ken, PC Chris, Chu Dat, KoreanDj, Mew2King, Isai, Azen, Hugs
Of these players only ChuDat, Mew2King, Azen, and Hugs are still around. Of these players, all still play Brawl and still dabble in Melee (winning with Melee-skills they haven't focused on developing since Brawl was released).
For the first time since 2006 MLG is also now hosting a non-Xbox 360 event. They now hold the Madden Challenge and they run it using PS3's.
pockyD
Smash Legend
Even if that was true (which it's not; you're just extrapolating the attitudes of two specific people), why isn't that reason enough to separate the forum? Such a rift just proves that they are really two separate communities, which means they should have two separate forums, whether they hate each other or not
JFox
Smash Hero
Hax shut the **** up, ur doing nothing to help the situation, ur argument is totally irrelevant to this thread. and overswarm take the high road and dont follow up.
alphazealot, its no secret that melee and brawl communities dont get along, but that has nothing to do with why the listings should be split and u know it. i already presented good reason for the change, and now ur just getting side tracked from by petty arguments. lets get off the topic of mlg and get back to the case at hand.
alphazealot, its no secret that melee and brawl communities dont get along, but that has nothing to do with why the listings should be split and u know it. i already presented good reason for the change, and now ur just getting side tracked from by petty arguments. lets get off the topic of mlg and get back to the case at hand.
scorekid100
Smash Apprentice
I fail to see how making a forum post is equivalent to touching one's self in public. And didn't genesis feature both brawl and melee? as far as I know the melee players did not boo the brawl players in their event. Not to mention most of the melee players wouldn't even be watching the brawl event. By the way your post didn't have much to do with the thread only the last part of Hax's post so...yeah. Anyways I don't see why there shouldn't be a melee tourny sub forum. It would make everything more organized and easier for the people looking for a specific( as in brawl or melee) tourney. I don't see the harm in making one.
skimmed AZ's post, didn't find a response to this:
you also ignore the substance of my argument; that f-zero/zelda/etc. forums are prioritized before a melee tournament listings subforum
so i didn't read it.
pockyD good point
JFox other than making this thread your arguments suck balls lol. you're honestly just patrolling/telling me to shut the **** up when if you actually read my post i was the first one to put up a legitimate argument for you that smashboards (once again i put smash in bold..) prioritizes f-zero subforums before something that would actually benefit, idk, a third of its members? pockyD makes another good point in that we pretty much are two separate games and the administration needs to realize that. the few melee pros who use brawl for money are a negligible amount of people; that's not enough to "link" the communities. accept that no brawl pros play melee other than mew2king/azen/chu and make a subforum for melee already.
contrary to my argument i will ask AZ/whoever creates forums/subforums: why is it such a problem for you? if you respond..
*It takes too much time - i have moderated forums before and it literally takes 10 seconds
*It is unnecessary - once again this pertains to melee players. to my knowledge this is smashboards, not allisbrawl but I seem to be mistaken. considering you are a brawl player you wouldn't understand, no offense
you also ignore the substance of my argument; that f-zero/zelda/etc. forums are prioritized before a melee tournament listings subforum
so i didn't read it.
pockyD good point
JFox other than making this thread your arguments suck balls lol. you're honestly just patrolling/telling me to shut the **** up when if you actually read my post i was the first one to put up a legitimate argument for you that smashboards (once again i put smash in bold..) prioritizes f-zero subforums before something that would actually benefit, idk, a third of its members? pockyD makes another good point in that we pretty much are two separate games and the administration needs to realize that. the few melee pros who use brawl for money are a negligible amount of people; that's not enough to "link" the communities. accept that no brawl pros play melee other than mew2king/azen/chu and make a subforum for melee already.
contrary to my argument i will ask AZ/whoever creates forums/subforums: why is it such a problem for you? if you respond..
*It takes too much time - i have moderated forums before and it literally takes 10 seconds
*It is unnecessary - once again this pertains to melee players. to my knowledge this is smashboards, not allisbrawl but I seem to be mistaken. considering you are a brawl player you wouldn't understand, no offense
bobson
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The reasoning for the games to be separate is because it's objectively simpler and makes complete sense in standing with everything else on the board.
I play both games and I see no reason why this hasn't been done.
Melee/Brawl ****-flinging contests will always exist until the cockparade of Melee and Brawl players who troll and take the bait respectively finally grow up, but the fact that they don't get along is completely irrelevant to the points made in this thread and to bring it up as if that's our only justification really makes you sound like you're just trying to make up excuses not to do it (and I can't for the life of me figure out why; adding a subforum is hardly rocket science).
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I like how players who play a fast-paced and ever-changing game with upsets as far as players and character choice, even after 8 years, expressing disappointment about a comparatively slow, boring to watch (perhaps it's not unbearable to play, though) game where the top two characters always win or take a huge % of the top 10 placings in national events, is considered "misconduct."
Booing being considered "misconduct," in the first place is ridiculous, lol. Would you rather we say "Hello, sirs, I'd like to express my dislike for this game. Thank you for your attention."?
It's not spite. Clearly, both communities would benefit, as Brawlers wouldn't have to skip over Melee threads, and vice versa. Hax's point about F-Zero and Pokémon having their own forums, granted that Melee has several of its own, however its tournaments are still not separated from Brawl's, is also solid and has not been addressed (and at the rate the arguments against the separation have been going, probably won't). People hosing both Brawl & Melee will just post it in the Brawl section, since they'll get more views that way, or both, and if it's large enough Melee people will hear about it anyway. There are very few, negligible consequences to consider.
Booing being considered "misconduct," in the first place is ridiculous, lol. Would you rather we say "Hello, sirs, I'd like to express my dislike for this game. Thank you for your attention."?
It's not spite. Clearly, both communities would benefit, as Brawlers wouldn't have to skip over Melee threads, and vice versa. Hax's point about F-Zero and Pokémon having their own forums, granted that Melee has several of its own, however its tournaments are still not separated from Brawl's, is also solid and has not been addressed (and at the rate the arguments against the separation have been going, probably won't). People hosing both Brawl & Melee will just post it in the Brawl section, since they'll get more views that way, or both, and if it's large enough Melee people will hear about it anyway. There are very few, negligible consequences to consider.
^^^^^^This lol
Lovage
Smash Hero
if melee had it's own tournament listing (and results?) forum i'm pretty sure double the tournaments would get posted there, as of now it sucks having 3/4ths of the threads about some other game you're not interested in
Scar
#HarveyDent
Tee ay eye
Smash Hero
cutter
Smash Champion
We're not forcing you to like Brawl. We just want you to have tolerance towards the game existing and its community, whether you like Brawl or not. Here's a great quote from Pierce7d that pretty much sums up how I feel:
The fact that the Brawl bashing and hatred is still going strong after over a year and a half shows how the community as a whole is still plagued by that rift. Pathetic.Pierce7d said:
Scar
#HarveyDent
idk i woudn't call it pathetic
i just think that if anyone had confidence that brawl didn't suck as a game, they wouldn't care what other people said. like if someone said melee is stupid bc it's for like 11 year olds why are you wasting your life on it, i wouldn't care at all bc it's the best game on earth
but i THINK that when brawl players hear "brawl sucks" they just think wow this game really is stupid and slow and boring and our top players hate the game and it's dominated by top characters, so they take it personally
if that isn't true then i'd just say don't be so sensitive, brawl bashing generally is only for humorous effect
that said i can give you my 100% personal guarantee that every time i see brawl being played competitively i will boo the people playing it, say "**** brawl" aloud, and cheer long live melee
i just think that if anyone had confidence that brawl didn't suck as a game, they wouldn't care what other people said. like if someone said melee is stupid bc it's for like 11 year olds why are you wasting your life on it, i wouldn't care at all bc it's the best game on earth
but i THINK that when brawl players hear "brawl sucks" they just think wow this game really is stupid and slow and boring and our top players hate the game and it's dominated by top characters, so they take it personally
if that isn't true then i'd just say don't be so sensitive, brawl bashing generally is only for humorous effect
that said i can give you my 100% personal guarantee that every time i see brawl being played competitively i will boo the people playing it, say "**** brawl" aloud, and cheer long live melee
but, melee is better
wool
Smash Ace
about the thread i would really like there to be a subforum. its just annoying trying to find melee tournies in the midst of brawl tournies. a subforum isnt much effort is it? i dont know it doesn't feel like it would take a while to make at all, and it would help a bunch of us find melee tournaments easily.
Scar
#HarveyDent
also yeah everyone arguing against adding a melee tournament listing subforum... i dont even know what to say.
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Completely irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Personally, I think it shows how we dislike Brawl and some of the more irritating/stupid members of its community, and that it wasn't just a trend to dislike Brawl. Maybe it's just me, though; I wouldn't know anything about how a Melee player would feel about the subject!
stabbedbyanipple
Smash Master
Oh c'mon guys, Brawl bashing won't help us get a sub-forum lol
what if we bashed brawl in all their forums until they had no choice but to give us a separate forum?
adumbrodeus
Smash Legend
Or... ban us all?what if we bashed brawl in all their forums until they had no choice but to give us a separate forum?
woah calm down it was a joke >_<
TP
Smash Master
It's amazing that people can say absolutely whatever they want as long as they put jk or "it was a joke" at the end.
Reasons for splitting the board:
Easier to search for tournaments of one particular game
Reasons against:
Most tournaments have both games. If a tournament thread gets posted in two separate boards, each copy will only get half the replies it would have gotten. This is a huge hassle for the TO, trying to keep track of both threads at once, and there would probably be a lot less hype for the tourney itself, since most players would miss half the posts due to laziness.
Also, the argument about it being hard to find Melee tournies amidst all the Brawl tournies is stupid. But you know what is even stupider? Calling other people lazy after making that complaint. Wow.
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No it's not.
bobson
Smash Lord
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Give Tournament Listings two subforums for Brawl and Melee and make the main forum only for events with both games.
Ballistics
Smash Champion
just curious, do more brawlers use smashboards or all is brawl?
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