Tournaments now separated by game cuz of this thread, read OP

[TP]

Give Tournament Listings two subforums for Brawl and Melee and make the main forum only for events with both games.

"I'm thinking about having Melee there as a side event. Would there be enough interest to make it worthwhile?"

Does that get its own subforum too?

 

[bobson]

"I'm thinking about having Melee there as a side event. Would there be enough interest to make it worthwhile?"

Does that get its own subforum too?

It's typically considered common courtesy to figure out what you're doing before you post a thread that you're doing it.

The worst outcome is someone ends up taking a couple seconds or so to move the thread.

 

[JFox]

the reason ALL melee tournaments are posted in the regional forums is because melee only players hardly bother checking the tournament listings since theres way too many brawl threads to sift through.

youre saying "no one posts melee tourneys in the tournament listings, so thats why we dont separate them". I'm sayin "Melee used to post in the tournament listings, but now its so full of non-relevant threads that melee just gets lost in there, so we have had to make due with using regional zones ever since brawl has taken over"

And SWF has a section devoted to JUST 1 player mode. I fail to see how that is more important than having a place to advertise melee tournaments.

brawl people just dont get it...

Find me one melee tournament in the tournament listings that ISNT stickied. Melee players have literally given up trying to compete with brawl tourneys for a spot at the top. No one sifts through pages of tournaments to find a title that says MELEE ONLY or BRAWL AND MELEE.

So what happens is melee is forced to post large scale tournaments (like SPOC VIII which just passed) in the regional zones. And that would be fine if regional zones were separated by game, but it isnt. So melee is forced to compete in a less visited area of the site, and they still have to compete for a spot at the top with all the brawl threads.

It just sucks. I play melee, i dont play brawl. Why should it be hard for me to see just a straight up list of tournaments that only involve my game? Why the **** should i read every title of a thread for the words MELEE.

They've separated every other god**** thing, but the only one that makes sense to separate, the thing that is most important about SWF (free advertising for tournaments, a place to discuss tournaments, etc.) is the only thing not being separated. And as soon as a guy points it out, every god**** brawl head comes in and quiets me. Meanwhile, every melee player supports it because they understand where im coming from, while u have no idea.

It's ridiculous and lazy of this site NOT to separate the two. Cut the "community togetherness" sh*t out, help out a dying game to advertise its d*mn tournaments!

Hax, you should read past the OP next time. I made plenty of good arguments i just didnt write them in the OP. Theres pretty much nothing left to say, at this point its up to the mods.

 

[AlphaZealot]

contrary to my argument i will ask AZ/whoever creates forums/subforums: why is it such a problem for you? if you respond..

*It takes too much time - i have moderated forums before and it literally takes 10 seconds
*It is unnecessary - once again this pertains to melee players. to my knowledge this is smashboards, not allisbrawl but I seem to be mistaken. considering you are a brawl player you wouldn't understand, no offense

Per it takes to much time: I don't think I ever argued this.
Per it is unnecessary: There could be a Melee and Brawl tournament room, or just a TOURNAMENT room for Melee + Brawl + Smash 64 tournaments. Both choices would be characteristic of Smashboards. One is just more condensed.

You're acting like some cocky little kid. I played Melee for 5 years competitively, holding some of the largest tournaments on the East Coast while you were still in diapers. Without the work I put into the Melee community, you probably wouldn't even be playing the game.

 

[pockyD]

has there been a real argument presented for the 'why not' side yet, aside from keeping the status quo for its own sake?

 

[TP]

has There Been A Real Argument Presented For The 'why Not' Side Yet, Aside From Keeping The Status Quo For Its Own Sake?

Reasons Against:
Most Tournaments Have Both Games. If A Tournament Thread Gets Posted In Two Separate Boards, Each Copy Will Only Get Half The Replies It Would Have Gotten. This Is A Huge Hassle For The To, Trying To Keep Track Of Both Threads At Once, And There Would Probably Be A Lot Less Hype For The Tourney Itself, Since Most Players Would Miss Half The Posts Due To Laziness

give Tournament Listings Two Subforums For Brawl And Melee And Make The Main Forum Only For Events With Both Games.

"i'm Thinking About Having Melee There As A Side Event. Would There Be Enough Interest To Make It Worthwhile?"

Does That Get Its Own Subforum Too?

give Tournament Listings Two Subforums For Brawl And Melee And Make The Main Forum Only For Events With Both Games.

GG. CP? I ban Bobson's argument.

 

[pockyD]

i would guess that 98% of the time, when someone is looking for a tournament, they are looking for a specific game... how many people in the smash community actively play both games enough such that they would be willing to go over 1 hour for either of them? In norcal, there is probably only one player out of 80/90 people in both communities combined for which that holds true, and based on my cursory check of results in other regions, I don't think that our ratio is any more bizarre than anywhere else

"hype"? check the pound4 thread; there's almost ZERO hype for barlw, simply because melee is dominating the existing conversation. if it had its own barlw thread, you bet your *** that there would be more barlw "hype", whether deserved or not

your fuzzy condition doesn't matter, because if it's a base barlw tournament, it would be posted in the barlw forum. when you actually make a decision to include melee, you can post it in the melee forum

no melee player would go to a barlw tournament just because there 'might' be melee, and vice versa

lastly, what you posted definitely wasn't worth all caps

edit: the whole "barlw" thing is just a habit i can't break anymore since i've been doing it for a year and a half; i'm not overtly trying to mock it in this post

 

[cF=)]

TP, I just read the five first tournament listed, and they were all Brawl or Brawl along with unrelated games such as BB or SF. Don't tell me MOST tournament host both games because most Brawl tournament will NOT have a melee side tourney because of the animosity between both communities, and secondly, melee tourneys often DON'T have Brawl on the side for the reason stated previously. Unless the tournament is of national interest, you'll often not see both games represented at the same event.

 

[adumbrodeus]

Per it takes to much time: I don't think I ever argued this.
Per it is unnecessary: There could be a Melee and Brawl tournament room, or just a TOURNAMENT room for Melee + Brawl + Smash 64 tournaments. Both choices would be characteristic of Smashboards. One is just more condensed.

You're acting like some cocky little kid. I played Melee for 5 years competitively, holding some of the largest tournaments on the East Coast while you were still in diapers. Without the work I put into the Melee community, you probably wouldn't even be playing the game.

The thing is, it makes the room pretty much useless for melee players, wonder why melee tournaments are posted in the regional forums pretty much only? Because they're far too buried to be useful for melee players, so we just stopped using them.

And I'm pretty sure it's the same for n64 players, it's probably about as useful for them as a trip through a minefield (speaking of which, separate them too, please?).


That's characteristic of why you would separate them, it's useless for one group in one form (or in this case two), and changing it is a minor inconvenience. So, why wouldn't we change it?



And please let's stock the petty in-fighting and ****-waving, we already know, and it's just distracting from the point of the thread.

 

[JFox]

I suggest you at least try it for a bit and see what the community thinks. I mean, the community as a whole is whats most important right? If smashboards wants people visiting this site as often as possible, wouldnt it be best to make the entire community happy?

I doubt any brawl players will care much, and i think its obvious just from looking at the feedback from this thread that it will make the melee players happy.

 

[Strong Badam]

Per it takes to much time: I don't think I ever argued this.
Per it is unnecessary: There could be a Melee and Brawl tournament room, or just a TOURNAMENT room for Melee + Brawl + Smash 64 tournaments. Both choices would be characteristic of Smashboards. One is just more condensed.

You're acting like some cocky little kid. I played Melee for 5 years competitively, holding some of the largest tournaments on the East Coast while you were still in diapers. Without the work I put into the Melee community, you probably wouldn't even be playing the game.

I like how you didn't actually provide an argument specifically against the proposed separation, aside from the "unnecessary," thing you've been saying this whole time without elaborating or explaining, and instead resorted to personal attacks on Hax based on his age. No offense to you or anything, your posts in this topic have just left much to be desired in terms of quality and content.

 

[wool]

I realize I am a scrub and all to the melee community (joined what, 5 months ago?) but I was going to attend a bunch of tournys to train for Pound 4 in late august but I spent too much time wondering aimlessly in the tournament listings because I couldn't find a single tourny that supported melee only (i had no clue that the regional boards was where all the tournys were). it was just a complete pain to look through all those threads hoping for a melee one.

i just don't see why there is anything wrong with separating melee and brawl (and even 64 too (if tournys are still going on in that)). If people want to host 2 or 3 games in a single tournament they can use the main thread and not use the subforums.

is there any legit reason why this wont work?

 

[TP]

Reading the newer posts, I have changed my mind and now support at least trying this out for a month and getting feedback.

I did think of one more reason against this, but it is a VERY small thing: people with crappy internet connections would have to load one additional screen to get to their listings, which would be a pain for them. As I said, it's only a small concern.

Pocky, my post being in all caps was an accident, not me trying to shove my post down your throat.

 

[Hax]

skimmed AZ's post, once again didn't find a response to this:

you also ignore the substance of my argument; that f-zero/zelda/etc. forums are prioritized before a melee tournament listings subforum

so i didn't read it

anyone who goes against this argument.. seriously just quitlife if anything it'll benefit you and make it so that there are no melee/64 tournies whatsoever and we can officially be separated like the divided community we are. tournies for multiple games can be color-coded and have links to the threads for other games at that tourney in the OP; not that hard. i don't think any of you understand that i among others have literally given up on the tourney listings section; word of mouth is the way melee tournies spread at the moment, which it shouldn't be because then the less well-known players are often left out.

 

[DtJ Jungle]

The only problem is you cant color code titles, You'd have to click the thread and look at the title in the OP.

But yeah i agree with Hax.

 

[pockyD]

how is that the 'only' problem

 

[wool]

how is that the 'only' problem

elaborate please. i don't see how this separation would be a problem. it would benefit many people.

EDIT: maybe i misunderstood your post because throughout this thread you have been supporting a separation haha.

 

[Skler]

There should be a separation. It isn't difficult to do so it should be done. It's more convenient, it doesn't even have to do with the communities. It just makes sense to look for Melee tournaments in one place, Brawl tournaments in another and double tournaments in another (subforums are easy so why not). Smash 64 could even have one, though I feel any tourny with 64 would also have another game so it'd probably not be used. Still more used than the Pichu boards though.

There's absolutely no reason not to split them, it's easy and makes it more convenient for people.

Just kidding, Pichu.

Not really.

 

[Overload]

Even if the addition of a Melee tournament sub-forum is only a minor improvement, it's still an improvement. I feel that it would be big enough improvement to warrant a sub-forum. Many tournaments don't list what game they're for in the title, and it's quite a hassle to have to open them all up just to find out if it's the game you're looking for. It'd be more convenient and more organized to see all the results for your desired game listed together in one place.

This would also mean that all the Melee tournaments being posted in the regional zone would get more views, because I'm pretty sure not everyone knows to look there for tournaments and may only check the tournament listings.

 

[Scar]

bottom line: there is no reason not to do it. so which mod do we talk to to get it done?

 

[adumbrodeus]

bottom line: there is no reason not to do it. so which mod do we talk to to get it done?

*eyes scar's red name*

Seriously, or does it need to be a mod of the current section, personally I was under the assumption that the entire staff needed to talk about a change like that (therefore anyone could start the process), but if it's just a choice made by a mod in charge of the section...

 

[Overload]

I think the site admin has the final say in the matter.

 

[JFox]

theres something called a staffer's shack where the higher up mods discuss things. so someone needs to find a mod that is high up enough, bring up the thread, and then have him bring it up at a staffer's shack meeting.

 

[Mike G]

Also, some of you take this time to go read some the previous posts you made in this thread.

because, wow seriously?

 

[JFox]

so thats not a bad solution. honestly i still dont see why they didnt make a sub-forum, but i guess this is a good compromise. Thanks smashboards

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

Way to go Jfox.

You should make one of these for getting melee stock icons that you can put by your name lol

 

[pockyD]

i don't see it

what changed?

 

[stabbedbyanipple]

http://www.smashboards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=91

I think you can tell just by looking at this but you can add a bolded "Melee""Brawl"or "Brawl/Melee" to the title of a thread.

 

[pockyD]

oh

threads with new posts are completely bold though, so it doesn't really help that much

 

[JFox]

i use the classic blue skin, so thread titles are in blue and the word "melee" is in white and bolded, so for me its pretty obvious.

Honestly tho, i still think melee is gonna get stuck in the regional zones which is the biggest problem this site has right now. New melee players arent even gonna find tourneys unless they are already familiar with smashboards, which chances are they wouldnt be cuz they are new.

Im still not sure what the reason is for not splitting them. it probably has something to do with unity or w/e. Anyway, maybe ill revisit this thread at a later point in time, but right now i guess lets see if this makes any impact...

 

[Mike G]

oh

threads with new posts are completely bold though, so it doesn't really help that much

OK, colors have now been added by the mod staff. You're welcome.

 

[bobson]

I say this is a better solution than subforums.

 

[DoH]

Holy ****, you guys took my gay sensibility

 

[Eggm]

I say this is a better solution than subforums.

I say give me some good reasons. Because its not.

 

[CT Chia]

the new colors stand out so much its so easy to scan down a forum and look for the big red MELEE to find the tourneys u want (or big blue brawl)

additionally, the tags can be added to all regional zones as well, not just listings

 

[Eggm]

the new colors stand out so much its so easy to scan down a forum and look for the big red MELEE to find the tourneys u want (or big blue brawl)

additionally, the tags can be added to all regional zones as well, not just listings

Saying the current system is fine as an argument against changing it to an even better system is terrible. Your no better than the guys saying it was easy enough and didn't need to be changed before the color system was implemented.

My arguments for why I think it should still be subforummed instead of just color coated :

1. While the colors make it easier its still dependent on the TO to go back to his original post and select the Melee tag for his tournaments. You could say "Oh well so is the TO placing the tournament in the correct subforum. To that I say At least the mods can move the threads for them that's what they are there for anyway.

2. For dual tournament threads (Example : Pound 4 ) if it were subforumed I could opt only to read the melee responses in the melee section without having to sift through thousands of brawl posts. This is not possible with just color coating.

3. You guys always try to promote "togetherness" between us but then u make the threads red vs blue lol. It seems more separated then just having 2 sub forum's for the tournament listings. If a newb comes on the site and see mad red vs blue threads everywhere hes gonna be more split than if he just say "Melee tournament listings " And "Brawl tournament listings " After he clicks on tournament listings. Everything else is separated already its nothing new. It doesn't look any less segregated. I don't see why its not being done.

If you can provide some valid reasons other than "its already easy enough" Which is a terrible reason I'd be happy to listen and maybe change my mind.

 

[JFox]

tim, chill man. im with u tbh, but the mods just implemented a new system BECAUSE of this thread. they arent gonna change things further until they see how the new system does. you might as well give this a shot, see how things go, and if this doesnt solve anything we push the envelope further. I think right now its clear tho that they've read our arguments and simply dont wish to split up the tournament listings by game. Maybe with time they will change their mind a bit

 

[Mike G]

1. While the colors make it easier its still dependent on the TO to go back to his original post and select the Melee tag for his tournaments. You could say "Oh well so is the TO placing the tournament in the correct subforum. To that I say At least the mods can move the threads for them that's what they are there for anyway.



3. You guys always try to promote "togetherness" between us but then u make the threads red vs blue lol. It seems more separated then just having 2 sub forum's for the tournament listings. If a newb comes on the site and see mad red vs blue threads everywhere hes gonna be more split than if he just say "Melee tournament listings " And "Brawl tournament listings " After he clicks on tournament listings. Everything else is separated already its nothing new. It doesn't look any less segregated. I don't see why its not being done.

If you can provide some valid reasons other than "its already easy enough" Which is a terrible reason I'd be happy to listen and maybe change my mind.

OK

I would also like to point out an interesting observation because whoever decided to use these colors to describe both games is also a genius(even if it wasn't your intention to do so). When Melee(red) and Brawl(blue) always seem to contrast and conflict each other, it makes sense that green represents that both games can work well together in peace and harmony. lol Maybe I'm thinking too much into it but good stuff again =D

I kinda agree with this person.

Also the mods that are in charge of their rooms can edit the colors in if the TO doesn't. Even then I don't see how this can cause any problems.

 

[Ballistics]

lol mods are stupid, please dont infract me!!

 

[Mike G]

lol mods are stupid, please dont infract me!!

LOL see you in Atlantic south, ***** xD


ALSO, do you guys visit Shoryuken.com? If they can have a tourney thread for TEN GAMES I don't see why 2 is such hassle. lol seriously, visit their tourney sections and lets see if you feel the same way after that. lol


An example of how tournament listings and regional rooms should look with this new system implemented http://www.smashboards.com/forumdisplay.php?f=91