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[ShadowLink84]

Super ultra late reply, but I forgot about this thread, and don't particularly like being called out on some rather valid points.

No prob.

Punisher = rushdown in this case. Sonic camps out of range of the opponent, waits for a mistake, and races in. Unless you're saying that he uses his fast tilts/other moves to punish missed attacks by the opponent, in which case you're actually talking about lucas and not sonic. Now the fact that when I said rushdown, you assumed I was talking about NOT playing smart isn't my problem, that's all you.

Dude rushdown=/=not playing smart.
Rushdown is using aggressive play which sonic does NOT due.
Sonic stays out of range, baits the move then moves in and acts upon the move. That is punishing, he is taking advantage of the characters behavior, he isn't using an agressive style. And yes you can poke with his tilts due to their nice range.

Again Sonic is not a rushdown get your terms straightened out.

Anther may not take advantage of everything has to offer, but saying he's bad is funny. I see you've already had this discussion, so I'll leave it at that.

look at Tenki's Sonic then compare it to Anther's. Its not that itsbad, but just not great.

Ness icon =/= maining ness. I don't main ness. For that matter, I made a valid point using ness as an illustration. If you have a problem with me coming to "your" part of the boards and saying stuff, then something's wrong here

i think its more the issue that people tend to go WOMG SO WRONG when they come to the Soic boards. So we are rather used to having to deal with people on the offensive.
Its wrong but can't blame them either.

The argument against ness was a differently stated "all ness players are bad". Good call. And I'm the one who's getting called out for disputing that argument.

i agreed with you though

Of course. Because it makes sense to use your secondary who is much worse than your main through an entire tournament

This proves what>
hat just says Anther used Sonic throughout an entire tournament it doesn't necessarily mean Anther's Sonic may be good.

Feel free to point out other valid arguments I've made and decide they're wrong because you feel like it again.

[/quote]
pointed out.
Of course you would know if you actually SAW MY POST!

 

[thecatinthehat]

1)Anther may not take advantage of everything has to offer, but saying he's bad is funny. I see you've already had this discussion, so I'll leave it at that.

2)Of course. Because it makes sense to use your secondary who is much worse than your main through an entire tournament.

1) It was an exaggeration. He's very talented yes, but his Sonic is not up to par. Compared to his Pika, where his talent and knowledge of the character come into play.

2) You have a valid point, yes, but Thinkaman's point was that Anther's Sonic did exceptionally well in tourneys. I beg to differ.

Could you quote the Ness post that bothered you? I would like to see it.

If you mean the match-up, it's because none of them have a significant advantage over the other. It's dead neutral.


Where?
....
WHERE?!
Seriously, when I see a SBR'er talking about Sonic, it's completely and totally wrong.
For example, the latest thing I've seen is in the Tier List thread. Overswarm was talking about the Pika Sonic match-up, saying that Pika ftilting leaves Sonic useless.
Completely neglecting the fact that Sonic's ftilt outranges it >_>

Now I love Overswarm and all..

But the SBR, it's quite apparent, know nothing on Sonic. It's often bias and silly presumptions that get in the way of logic. "oh hai, Sonic has no range lololol, so the opponents attacks all outrange Sonic lets not test or anything lololololol"
With that example up there, and there's 2324235452 more, it's pretty unrefutable.

I dread to see their write up in the "Weekly Character Discussion."
0_o

Like I always say. This man is always right.

 

[memphis_chains]

i'm the only one doing anything about it though

 

[thecatinthehat]

i'm the only one doing anything about it though

Obvious much memphis? So when does the real one get unbanned?

 

[Tenki]

i think there's too much carpeting here.

one person misrepresents, and hoorah, the whole group is __________.

one person makes a thread about sonic raepz lowtir3z and no, it's the whole freaking sonic board that supports the idea.

one or two or four people in the SBR don't seem to know much about Sonic, and noo teh wh0le sbr dun0 nething ab0ut s0nicz lulz

 

[Jim Morrison]

Ignorant SBR is ignorant. Let them be

 

[Chis]

Maybe if they let Tenki in things will happen?

 

[Jim Morrison]

Sorry, he's in TBR already
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?t=201337&highlight=tenki

 

[Levitas]

Tenki, for all the generalizations that have happened here, I got quite a few negative responses for saying three things:
1. samurai panda has sonic experience, and it's not against some random noob. It's against anther.

2. Lucas does well against the sonic style of character, whereas he was dismissed entirely as a thread in the original post.

3. Assuming that ness isn't a threat because only top players are is like assuming sonic isn't a threat because only top sonic players are.

All three were in reference to the original post. that should answer your question about where the ness thing came from, thecatinthehat.

Tenki, I do not intend to lump all sonic boarders together.

 

[thecatinthehat]

May I ask who made that generalization? Because I don't support that notion.

and I would say Sonic does do well against Lucas. Just my opinion though.

 

[Tenki]

Meh, I looked at the Lucas vs Sonic matchup and everyone there was like

early in:
"Lucas >>>>> Sonic!"

a few sonic mains came in. reaction?:
"lol u pplz lie"

someone posts Sonic Orochi's mini video guide on Sonic:
"wuut?!?! Sonic can haz AT's? wtf?!?!?!"

later on:
"uhh.. iono. maybe neutral? o ino! sliiight adv. for lucas =D" *guess+ change*

There really isn't much experience between Lucas and Sonic mains so the matchup is kinda vague and murky atm.

 

[thecatinthehat]

Meh, I looked at the Lucas vs Sonic matchup and everyone there was like

early in:
"Lucas >>>>> Sonic!"

a few sonic mains came in. reaction?:
"lol u pplz lie"

someone posts Sonic Orochi's mini video guide on Sonic:
"wuut?!?! Sonic can haz AT's? wtf?!?!?!"

later on:
"uhh.. iono. maybe neutral? o ino! sliiight adv. for lucas =D" *guess+ change*

Same with the Pit forums,
and the Lucario boards,

but the Fox boards are just plain stubborn.

 

[memphis_chains]

its the same on every board

its also not about panda or the sbr, but panda not listening and people saying the sbr as a whole has no idea

 

[Napilopez]

I think someone else said this before, but I basically feel like the SBR might have an idea of Sonic's techs and whatnot, but they really don't know much about how they can effectively be applied and such. Thats what it feels like. They dont seem to have anyone really deep into Sonic's game and thats the prob. I don't know everyone in the SBR, but from reading their discussions in the Character discussion thread, it just doesn't feel like any of them have delved deep enough into Sonic's metagame. They might know players like wes and 3000... but they're not representative of Sonics potential imo.

 

[memphis_chains]

its not even that,

representation should never been a factor, its the knowledge.
if they are calling the shots without knowing everything why should we listen to them?

 

[da K.I.D.]

Lucas: not a problem
ness: i thought this might be a challenge, but unless you are playing a top level ness, you have nothing to worry about because we can CG him

i believe these are the parts that offended you.
let em clarify....

lucas: the better player will win, if you are better than them, dont worry about it, and since i have my idea that most of the people that are involved in this discussion to begin with are good with sonic... they shouldnt have any problems.

ness. once again im directing this comment to the 10-15 good sonic players that i know frequent the boards and are good players.
and lets be honest here...
how many really good ness's are there out there... really?
to be honest i have 2 guys that play good nesses in my area, but from the tourney results that ive seen, there is a massive lack of ness in high profile tourneys. the chance that any of us are going to pass by a ness good enough to know how to get out of those CGs seem to be few and far between. most people will be playing him just because they need a good character for the low tier tourneys, while we will be playing the main that we know inside and out.

sorrry if i offended you, but if you really want to be upset about this go get nesses educated, so they can get some tourney placings.

thats what we did, and now hes close to high tier on ankokus character ranking list
...
...

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HOLY **** SONIC IS ALMOST HIGH TIER!!!11!ONE!!!1ONEHUNDREDELEVEN1!!

 

[KirbyandSonicrock14]

Well, I didn't know my owning was doing a great good for Sonic. I'm so happy. So, kid have you been eatting up trouneys with the blue man to?

 

[da K.I.D.]

nope, got knocked out of the last...
3-4 tourneys i went to by MK

hes really rediculous, a kid who is legitamately not as skilled as me in the game beat me with Mk...

it wasnt tourney but i was still heated

 

[LinkSceptile333]

Funny how you put this in the Sonic boards where everyone is going to agree with you.

 

[memphis_chains]

funny how you have no idea what your talking about

you clearly didn't read anything in this thread.



everyone look at this as an example of wtf I have been talking about for the past year.
like... really?

 

[KirbyandSonicrock14]

Now that is a " what the *bleep* is this fool doing" moment. Also, kid keep at it my friend. Luck will soon be on your side.

 

[Chis]

funny how you have no idea what your talking about

you clearly didn't read anything in this thread.



everyone look at this as an example of wtf I have been talking about for the past year.
like... really?

I see...

 

[memphis_chains]

you better .

 

[thecatinthehat]

Funny how you put this in the Sonic boards where everyone is going to agree with you.

lol wut? We can hardly agree with ourselves.

STFU. Lurk moar. then GTFO n00b.

 

[ROOOOY!]

Mah boi.
Go away.

 

[Levitas]

Da KID, I'm offended in the same way that a math teacher gets offended at an arithmatic error.

Player skill has no place in a matchup thread.

It's true that both ness and lucas tend to be swamped with noobs, but that's not how one should conduct a thread like this.

And are we all in agreement that Sonic does not in fact **** low tier tournaments?

 

[KirbyandSonicrock14]

We would have a huge street fight if ever Sonic players knew each other.

 

[Tenki]

Funny how you put this in the Sonic boards where everyone is going to agree with you.

Except not everyone agreed. I was the first one to disagree with "Yoshi does not get ***** by Sonic".

lol wut? We can hardly agree with ourselves.

STFU. Lurk moar. then GTFO n00b.

Mah boi.
Go away.

However, these two, I thoroughly agree with.

Da KID, I'm offended in the same way that a math teacher gets offended at an arithmatic error.

Player skill has no place in a matchup thread.

It's true that both ness and lucas tend to be swamped with noobs, but that's not how one should conduct a thread like this.

And are we all in agreement that Sonic does not in fact **** low tier tournaments?

That's true, except this isn't a matchup thread. Sonic might not **** low tier tournaments, but apparently, da KID ***** the low tiers in his area.

 

[da K.I.D.]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

that is why tenki is in my sig

just keep in mind, that just about everything that i have actually stood behind in the sonic thread has come true

and i think that sonic has the advantage on every character in low tier, -mario

 

[Levitas]

Sonic ***** low tiers.

I think you might have misunderstood his statement when you read it, tenki. I don't think I did

 

[KirbyandSonicrock14]

Levitas dawg. just chill man. there will always be people that hate on your character. Just do you my friend. Trust me, I had so many fighters over Talim because I got piss when that sai she was low tier.

 

[Tenki]

I think you might have misunderstood his statement when you read it, tenki. I don't think I did

No, I didn't.

I just assume when he mentions something like that that he's talking about his Sonic

 

[Levitas]

lol, perhaps I'm sounding too intense across the internet. I really don't mean to come across angry or anything. And perhaps I make assumptions that when people generalize they're actually generalizing. Of course, I haven't seen a huge amount of KID's posts, so I don't really have a feel for his personality just yet.

Anyway, I'm done here for the time being. It's more fun when there's stuff to argue...

 

[Anther]

*A random squirrel passes by*

 

[ROOOOY!]

ROOOOY! threw an ultra ball!

 

[Camalange]

ROOOOY! threw an ultra ball!

You should've weakened it first and used a poke'ball! Don't waste all your ultra ball on a random squirrel when you could've caught a familiar dog!

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

BAH! Anther would bust out of that **** no prob.

 

[ROOOOY!]

**** OFF TUTORIAL MAN OUT OF POKEMON RED I DON'T WANT NO MISSINGNO'S D:

*ahem*

It's impossible for me to weaken the squirrel anyway, all my moves were OHKO's on it ;(

Splash
Scrub Pawnch
Splash
Steak Down

 

[thecatinthehat]

You should've weakened it first and used a poke'ball! Don't waste all your ultra ball on a random squirrel when you could've caught a familiar dog!

Yes. Instead, you should've thrown a master ball at him.

 

[thecatinthehat]

**** OFF TUTORIAL MAN OUT OF POKEMON RED I DON'T WANT NO MISSINGNO'S D:

*ahem*

It's impossible for me to weaken the squirrel anyway, all my moves were OHKO's on it ;(

Splash Steak Down
Scrub Pawnch Spash

:facepalm.

You forgot boxobair.