Tier List Speculation

[Professor Pro]

:O Snake is so high on so many people's tier lists....:O
What happened to the 24/28th days....

 

[Plum]

I think you happened.
All your fault.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

People are just dumb.

 

[Kink-Link5]

:O Snake is so high on so many people's tier lists....:O
What happened to the 24/28th days....

Don't look at me. I've had Snake in top 10 since forever.

 

[QraQ]

what all did he get? i played a dev build at sethlon's not even two weeks ago and the only outright noticable nerf was his usmash being slightly weaker. like, killing 10% later.

Simply put. Usmash doesn't launch or combo at low %. Making one of his early combo games considerably weaker.

Also, these tier list I'm seeing seem waaaaay off

 

[Vashimus]

These opinionated tier lists I see in this thread seem waaaay off from the correct tier list I have created in my head.

 

[BJN39]

Don't look at me. I've had Snake in top 10 since forever.

Me too.

Prof. Pro stahp, you're making him look too good. Nerf is waiting to hammer him If he becomes a threat!

 

[BlinkIV]

Actually, QraQ, it does still combo at low %'s. Mainly you can grab or u-tilt > something else after a U-Smash.

 

[DtJ SmithZzz]

opinions on toonlink?

 

[DMG]

Zip zop wop boopity bop flip flop zup drop

That's exactly how I feel about TL

 

[ELI-mination]

Eli's Snake player tier list:

Professor Pro
Rolex
someone else
someone else
Eli
other people

 

[mYzeALot]

Rolex is actually doing super well with him, and I think he won a teams tournament with somebody else against m2k and chibo that was awesome to watch.

 

[FourStar]

so i haven't played version 2.6 yet but i see EVERYBODY dropping sonic down way low on the tier list. was he nerfed that much in 2.6?

 

[DMG]

Sonic was touched

bad

 

[BTmoney]

When my replacement wii comes i'm playing sonic just for ironic appreciation

edit:
ggs me

 

[FourStar]

Sonic was touched

bad

like what changes were made?

 

[Kink-Link5]

Side B jump cancel on ground is slower (later), down B charge cannot be canceled with shield, aerial down B can not be air dodged out of, down B unleashes on its own if held for 4 seconds, fully fully charged down B is stronger, nair is weaker, flub fair sets up for combos instead of meteoring, homing attack knocks upward for followups rather than sideways, homing attack is slower?

 

[SunJester]

I wouldn't take people's current opinions on Sonic as fact.

Lets wait until wizzrobe plays another tournament and see what the character REALLY can do.

 

[DMG]

Because Wizzy is the only Sonic ofc I forgot

What the character can really do now is maybe spam HA and send people to the moon

 

[mYzeALot]

I would like to see Sethlon try and pick up Sonic again to observe the new changes and give his opinions.

 

[Hylian]

He gave his opinions plenty in the PMBR. Sethlon helped make 2.6 sonic.

 

[DMG]

With the amount of work he's put into not playing Sonic, I don't see him coming back to a much worse version of the character. He probably made the character fair but to actually enjoy Sonic again, idk.

 

[Sethlon]

With the amount of work he's put into not playing Sonic, I don't see him coming back to a much worse version of the character. He probably made the character fair but to actually enjoy Sonic again, idk.

To be fair, I was far from the only person working on Sonic. Many others like Cmart Shell and FireBallStars put in just as much work (or much more than, in cmart's case) to make his 2.6 incarnation, not even counting the many people who voiced opinions and raised arguments about various things.

I actually really do enjoy playing as 2.6 Sonic. Its pretty hard to make the switch though, since its from Marth (who I've put tons of work into and feel extremely comfortable with) to 2.6 Sonic (who I've only played against a handful of people and generally fare worse with than my more experienced character). Some of his changes actually make me like the character more than his 2.5 version (faster fair lets you hit people with big ass hitboxes!), and if I stuck with him I think I could bring him up to the level of my Marth...but I'm not sure I'm ready or wanting to take that path.

Maybe I'll have an exhibition match or two playing as Sonic at Low Tier City, though...

 

[DMG]

Don't take that path, Marth gets girls (and men)

 

[bubbaking]

Ok, PMBR, I get it. You don't like Zard. First you nerf his dthrow so dthrow > dsmash becomes practically impossible against good opponents, but it was fine, because you put him on the map with a kill throw, a combo throw, and a good recovery..........oh wait, said recovery is too strong, let's nerf the heck outta that......aaaaaaaaaand that dsmash is still too good, let's mess with that a bit. But it's ok. Super-subtle flamethrower buffs are supposed to make up for all that. Thank you guys. Zard too good. -_-







But seriously, why the heck did you have to mess with his nair? It was fine before; now it kinda sucks at what it used to do best. Now he pretty much lacks an actual OoS option for anyone behind him, and he has one less good approach option.

Lovin' the new ROB. Thank you Based JCaesar for loving your own character enough to give him just what he needs! Definitely a high tier now, IMO.

Sheik still disgusting. If you guys don't have her up in Top Tier with Fox and Falco, I don't know what you're all smoking. Guess I'll be on SWF a bit more again, since my work is such a boring place...










Yeah, Zard. He's definitely a lot worse now.

 

[DMG]

Ofc sheik is queen. BOOST GRAB SOMEONE OMG IT'S BROKEN

 

[Deleted member]

i think the changes in 2.6 are great. I wish sonic didnt get quite as nerfed, but like somebody said... we'll see what wizzy can do with it. Idk if this is new, but ivysaurs down b can be aimed left or right, which is sick. Links new boomerang was a good add, cept the animation doesnt match. G&W is hella good, just throwing that out there. SH Double Neutral B is so good. It's a great anti air, and it can force people into shields for an easy grab. I think they made squirtles down b faster. And his movement is still crazy. And if you hit A will holding down at a 45degree angle he does a quick shell attack. Is that new? Ness is really good imo. Who is considered the best Ness player in PM? I wish you could jump out of his magnet faster. Meta knight isnt broken which is awesome. He seems very balanced. And so does the rest of the cast, me and my friends love playing project m because we can use whoever and its always a pretty close game. So yeah, I love the new demo.

 

[bubbaking]

About Sonic's Blast Attack....it seems slower. Not sure. Confirmation? I know I asked for that nerf on Diddy's upB, but his sideB too? Looks like he got hit by Lucario/Ike nerftweak hammer. Huge nerfs on specials that are supposed to be offset by subtle buffs here and there. <__<

 

[The_NZA]

Who is considered the best Ness player in PM?

The Ness board would mostly say Sinister B.

Oracle would say Awestin.

 

[DMG]

Awestin if he played outside of Dallas, people would go jesus christ Ness. The guy played Ness in Brawl too at an incredibly high level, he eats sleeps and dreams of Ness. Wouldn't even call it peepee riding, he's really good.

 

[Bryonato]

Can't wait to see more of Awestin at LTC. I here all this hype over him and have seen many 1 or 2 matches from him. I'm in the SinisterB camp as far as best Ness goes so we'll see if he can sway my opinion.

 

[leelue]

Rolex is actually doing super well with him, and I think he won a teams tournament with somebody else against m2k and chibo that was awesome to watch.

Cough Cough Somebody

 

[Professor Pro]

Eli's Snake player tier list:

Professor Pro
.
.
.
.
.
.
Rolex
someone else
someone else
Eli
other people

Fixed

Nah jkin lol, Rolex was pretty good when I saw him though, I still think he's partially coming to grips with the character and he still doesn't utilize a lot of the things that Snake has but overall I was really impressed

 

[| Kailex |]

Snake f-tilt 1st hit lock if opponent too lazy to tech then sticky him derp

 

[ELI-mination]

Fixed

Nah jkin lol, Rolex was pretty good when I saw him though, I still think he's partially coming to grips with the character and he still doesn't utilize a lot of the things that Snake has but overall I was really impressed

Lol yea, not even a month or two ago he was far less good. He improved a lot, that's why I think he'll be at that 2nd top snake position like anyday now.
But nobody can touch professor ****ing pro

 

[| Kailex |]

Change your name to professor oak and use this http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/7008/al1303020012binout.jpg

 

[Juushichi]

GnW isn't hella good, but he's pretty good.

iHop is a functional AA, but nothing special. He's fun tho.

If you want great AAs, look for MK. His entire character is basically anti-air.

 

[Oracle]

@bubbaking whats different about nair? it seems the same to me

also rob is terrible now like wtf

 

[leelue]

Charizard's Nair, aka the most obnoxious aerial not on a spacie, doesn't hit exactly where it used to anymore. Yup, they made an attack less insane and someone complained. Not a pattern at all.

For the most part, the direction of 2.6 seems to be "make characters normalized, see what the overall design does, and /then/ we will tweak the cast to compensate" rather than the tried and untrue alternative "from scratch, let's try to make everyone not named DDD godlike and water down from there".

 

[Problem2]

About Sonic's Blast Attack....it seems slower. Not sure. Confirmation? I know I asked for that nerf on Diddy's upB, but his sideB too? Looks like he got hit by Lucario/Ike nerftweak hammer. Huge nerfs on specials that are supposed to be offset by subtle buffs here and there. <__<

Sonic's Blast Attack is noticeably slower to me too.