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The float is the very least of what makes him ridiculous right now. The side B is huge, but it doesn't seem like anybody's using it right that I've seen. Frankly, he'd probably be high or top tier even without either, in my opinion.
That's sad to hear :/ thanks for the answer though
testing it right now. Those are both correct, but require a frame perfect dj land oos. If you don't do it the first frame airborne add like 3 frames to when the hitbox comes out
ROB's dthrow is not literally ganons, it's not even close. ROB's grab is easier to land but at most percents you can only get off an upair or a fair neither of which generally kill until 130ish, especially if you know to just DI in stage so that you are as far from the blastzones as possible. Ganon's grab is way harder to land but his dthrow sends behind him slightly so no matter where you DI you are almost directly on top of him, and at most percents he can get upair fair or bair depending on DI, all of which kill earlier than ROB's upair
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) that's kinda horse****. Everyone seems to think that you should DI to get as far away from ROB as possible but really that just allows him to carry momentum forward during his follow-up for additional follow-ups. Anything past low percent (super low percents he just utilt or regrab depending on your fall speed) you should either not DI or just DI in on ROB's dthrow. If you DI away, he can still hit you, and he carries momentum into the jump for the follow-up so the next follow-up is easier. If you don't DI, or DI in, ROB has to jump straight up and drift sideways to hit you, or do like a stranding forward/backward jump. He doesn't get much momentum from this, so if you DI the fair/upair down+away you usually get sent too far for a follow-up, or can land and shield before he can boost fair in or w/e. I try to have work arounds for people who know about this but the work arounds are super character- and percent- specific and generally just revolve around trying to use backair to send them farther at a lower angle so I can either get a regrab from the reverse hitbox of bair at low percents or set-up a better edgeguard at a lower percent without having to worry about DI ****ing up fair.
If you want to know the answer to that, go to the zss boards and read the posts within a few months after 3.5 released. She incredibly different.
Tap jump for life! Sure it makes uptilts a little harder and short hop instant aerials really hard but it makes oos so friggin easy. (as well as zss up-b boosting.) I also find it makes comboing a little easier at times but that's probably just me. I use both methods of jumping constantly.
My post about mitigation wasn't aimed much at his Dthrow: I don't have many qualms with that throw. What I referred to was more about how he covers low/mid/high recoveries well, and how your DI/mitigation choices are super limited to avoid his flexibility in those spots. Dthrow to *insert attack* is pretty staple on a lot of characters, so that was aimed at his more exclusive strengths. Probably could have clarified a bitAs for those saying there's no way to mitigate what you take from ROB's dthrow (looking at you @
A lot of the people who say she "sucks" just mean that they don't think she's viable to solo main. Also, a lot of people (including myself) are frustrated with moves like fair and upsmash simply not working correctly.
Pretty sure Fair hits you either way. Will double check later.
Much easier said than done. It gets easier once you've practiced it but it still puts a bit of mental stress on you.
Someone's salty that they don't know how to tech roll. http://www.gfycat.com/JealousFlickeringHectorsdolphin
"No way he'll just do the same thing again!"
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@PlateProp thr ganon infinite works on other turtles too
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frankly this is getting absurd. You've now claimed several times that Ganon is somehow one of the best characters in the game yet you've provided exactly nothing to back that up.
Basically. If you are traveling with any upwards or downward momentum they will just fall out of it. If you are traveling forwards at full speed you'll go past them so you generally have to try to not ever hit the first hit, but ending a combo with a frame 16 move can be impossible at times. Keep in mind, this isn't counting SDI, this is against an inputless opponent. It'd be fine if it were like fox upair where the two hitboxes were two frames apart, but there is between 7 and 10 frames. (first hit frame 6-9, second hit frames 16-20). It really shouldn't be multihit tbh, and be more like diddy fair, sheik fair, roy bair, ike bair, luigi fair, knee, ganon fair, mewtwo fair, zard fair, etc. etc. etc. where you can end a combo with a non-multihit move. (upsmash has the same issue. It has no vacuum (or next to no vacuum), so if you hit it while in run, you will usually start sliding while they stay where they are and fall out of it)@
Fair doesn't work in what way? Like the hits just don't connect? Sounds like Link's bair that doesn't link...
I can see that as pretty rough having tough MUs against the some of the most represented characters. That basically lines up with how I felt about her already.
Use the c stick to get the max horizontal upb
They want it to Catch and Tumble them in a hellish amount of Damage, not to attempt to Carry only to have them SDI and stare at you still twirling about like an idiot before they punish the move being used for its intended purpose and failing miserably at it.
What if you're on, let's say, FD and you want to try and land it. Why should it be practically unusable just because there's no platforms? Otherwise it's only use would be if they're coming down from being high up and you throw it out early to catch them with the last hitbox.
Them's fightin' words, bruiser!
Lol you said it's unusable on FD and then gave a use for it.
Why do you want to try and land a move just to land it? Not all moves are useful in all situations, and some have very niche uses. Spacies fairs for example were long thought to be useless, but in the past couple of years have found niche uses in their combo game. Not every move needs to do everything everywhere, it's ok for some to be mediocre most of the time.
It's practically unusable on FD besides that one thing that won't happen very often
It can happen often depending on the character or playstyle your opponent has.
Fair enough.
Landing a move to land it aside, I like the idea of trying to keep an opponent airborn 1-2 times to throw Up B instead and have them get caught off guard being instantly thrown onto the ground in front of me vs being in the air trying to get away.
That was the point, I don't practice G&W, its just when I decide to try him out again in search of a main. Didn't know about that though, I might give it a try.
