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i kept saying that TL isn't that good and i was getting a lot of flak for it, but the truth is you really don't want to be disadvantaged in a bracket against the characters you expect to play against the most commonly, aka the characters that win the most.
Think of it more like a Pika/Fox. It's not attacking while in the process of retreating that's a big deal (Link style), it's how anytime he's near or far from you, you can get instantly approached by something that could lead to your death, so you have to chase him. Just like fighting Fox/Pika, they can just go wherever they want without a big deal, and you gotta deal with whatever they do/make them fight for it.
and zss. ivy and zss rite
You do have a strong point there, but I fear you also do let out some important factors. While Lucas has some decent neutral game options with range, those generally involve the jumping you criticize in the second part. For Lucas, the minimum vulnerability after landing is very low because of the magnet but still something like that counts.
Agreed. I'm pretty sure Zard has the best matchup against Ivy of the fatties, and it's still pretty unwinnable. Up throw to aerial up B just destroys fatties. It's guaranteed and kills around 60% for Zard
you could, but if DDD doesn't dash then he'll hit you with a f-tilt or he'll get you with a dash grab
They cannot. It doesn't move you far enough, they still get hit cause they're fat. I think we can DI dthrow out and get out but up throw works at a broad range of percents regardless of DI and this range overlaps a good deal with kill percents.
Eh, I honestly see that as more of a generalization of what I was discussing rather than something different. I'm not talking about hopping back and throwing stuff out to cover your ass Link-style, I'm talking about dashing back when your opponent enters an awkward spacing zone, and stopping precisely where and when you want to punish, usually through jumping/pivots/turnarounds (this is basically a "retreat" as the term would be used in, say, fencing, rather than military tactics, sorry for my confusing terminology).
I implied that it wasn't just dash speed, myself, which is why I brought up pivots, DJC, RAR, etc. It still means that, when compared to other, faster characters, Lucas is starting with a measurable disadvantage, because he can't hang back as far, and takes longer to space, leaving less time to punish. I sort of view it as Lucas gaining less leverage in spacing for each micro-action he takes, thus setting up his desired endgame less rapidly and with more effort.
Uh, if you want to call 50/50 or autowin 'polarized', sure. It technically is, but usually that would imply a lot of badly losing matchups. Ivy has none.
