Tier List Speculation

[k9.]

Yea but when you were still here i beat xander and john all the time. I get what your saying though.

But you never beat silly kyle or axe or wobbles in tourney at pm as well.

 

[k9.]

Edit: sorry for the double post.

 

[Gimpyfish62]

looooooooool at what this thread just turned into

 

[OkamiBW]

I beat Wobbles in the crew battle full stocks a piece, Sheik v Mario.

As for Silly Kyle, I kept taking games off of him with whatever-the-heck character. I would've had a good shot at beating him with TL, but as soon as I picked up TL, he stopped entering tournies and so I got 1st like...4 in a row or something.

Gimpyfish - I think it's somewhat reasonable to talk about what char's are represented by what players, because we could at least get a feel for who to watch and what videos to search for when talking about character metagame development.

 

[Hylian]

As long as it doesn't turn into "Who's best" and more-so who are good players to look up videos of.

 

[ELI-mination]

Just put me down for every character, bro.

 

[Ace55]

looooooooool at what this thread just turned into

Agreed d:.

If people really want to do this it might be a good idea to make a different thread for it.

 

[B.W.]

Why isn't this list in alphabetical order by character and why doesn't it have every character?

Bowser - Gimpyfish, Kirk
Captain Falcon -
Charizard - Metroid
Diddy Kong - Disco, GuruKid
Donkey Kong - Strong Bad, Eli
Falco -
Fox -
Game & Watch - Dakpo
Ganondorf -
Ike -
Ivysaur - TheReflexWonder, Vwins
Jigglypuff -
King Dedede - Fly Amanita
Link - Hylian
Lucario - Fuzzyness
Lucas -
Luigi - Eli
Mario -
Marth -
Ness - Awestin, SinisterB, NKGuy
Peach -
Pikachu -
Pit - Archangel, Armada, SaiXeven
R.O.B. - Oracle, JCaesar
Sheik -
Snake - Professor Pro
Sonic - Sethlon, Wizzrobe
Squirtle -
Toon Link - Jolteon, Okami
Wario - TheReflexWonder, Alpha Dash
Wolf - Silent Wolf, Chillindude829
Zelda - Zhime, Ryoko
Zero Suit Samus - Vanz, Leffen

There we go. Now you have a whole list of characters and finding characters in the list should be easier.

Didn't add any players, just extended and rearranged the list.

 

[Vashimus]

Did Metroid not want to be put on the list or something?

 

[Archangel]

http://www.twitch.tv/pbnj23

I'm going live here in a few minutes.

 

[Spiffykins]

You should totes add Eggz to the Lucario list. I don't see any reason Vro shouldn't be put down for Diddy and Ike as well.

 

[B.W.]

Did Metroid not want to be put on the list or something?

I had to retype everything because copy/pasting for some reason wasn't working right. I just missed Metroid. I fixed it now.

 

[GuruKid]

I really think this "best of" discussion should be made into its own thread; right now it's not contributing to actual tier list speculation or constructive discussion. Though it's a nice way to get people to look for videos of up-and-coming mains for insight into how a particular character is currently playing out, a reference like this would probably better serve its purpose as its own topic (thread) due to ease of access and clarity for the newer players.

 

[Airrider]

I agree.

Also: axe - pika, hbox - puff and wobbles? - mario.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

Do those people actually play Project M?

 

[B.W.]

Axe and HBox do I believe. Dunno about Wobbles.

 

[Professor Pro]

Why isn't this list in alphabetical order by character and why doesn't it have every character?

It doesn't have the Melee Top Tiers, because i'm going to make a video thread with people who represent how to play the cast well in order to progress the PM scene , and no-one needs to learn how to play the Melee Top Tiers.

And it wasn't in Alphabetical order because I just looked at smashmods.com and copied the list as they were lol but thanks for doing it

Added Oro to ZSS
Added Vro to Ike & Diddy
Added Eggz to Lucario
Added Nintedude to Ike
Added Kage to Ganon

Bowser - Gimpyfish, Kirk
Captain Falcon -
Charizard - Metroid
Diddy Kong - Disco, GuruKid, Vro
Donkey Kong - Strong Bad, Eli
Falco -
Fox -
Game & Watch - Dakpo
Ganondorf - Kage
Ike - Vro, Nintendude
Ivysaur - TheReflexWonder, Vwins
Jigglypuff -
King Dedede - Fly Amanita
Link - Hylian
Lucario - Fuzzyness
Lucas -
Luigi - Eli
Mario -
Marth -
Ness - Awestin, SinisterB, NKGuy
Peach -
Pikachu -
Pit - Archangel, Armada, SaiXeven
R.O.B. - Oracle, JCaesar
Sheik -
Snake - Professor Pro
Sonic - Sethlon, Wizzrobe
Squirtle -
Toon Link - Jolteon, Okami
Wario - TheReflexWonder, Alpha Dash
Wolf - Silent Wolf, Chillindude829
Zelda - Zhime, Ryoko
Zero Suit Samus - Vanz, Leffen, Oro

As long as it doesn't turn into "Who's best" and more-so who are good players to look up videos of.

That's what it will be about, which is why multiple people can be on the list for a certain character.

I really think this "best of" discussion should be made into its own thread; right now it's not contributing to actual tier list speculation or constructive discussion. Though it's a nice way to get people to look for videos of up-and-coming mains for insight into how a particular character is currently playing out, a reference like this would probably better serve its purpose as its own topic (thread) due to ease of access and clarity for the newer players.

This is true, I will make a new thread very soon (prob later today or 2moro), I just wanted to use a more popular thread in order to gain access to getting people to help me fill the list. Gonna ask in the social thread as well.
Also I didn't want to make the thread and have no content in it since I will have to be reviewing matches before attaching any names are put on the thread, but yeah I do see your point.

 

[JTsm]

Ivysaur - TheReflexWonder, Vwins
Snake - Professor Pro

The only things that matter <3 xD

 

[B.W.]

In my adventures to add more to the list and make it alphabetical I also forgot to put Kage under Ganondorf. My bad.

 

[Professor Pro]

The only things that matter <3 xD

LOL Thanks

In my adventures to add more to the list and make it alphabetical I also forgot to put Kage under Ganondorf. My bad.

It's fine
Added him back

 

[Rat]

Peach - Bladewise, Nintendude
Fox - Mango, M2k, Kels
Marth - Dr PP
Zelda - Salem
Lucas - Calabrel


Fuzzyness plays Lucario? What happened to sonic?

I'd take Vro off ike, and move him to the front of the diddy kong list.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

I think it's important that we consider people who play at PM events fairly regularly, rather than people who won one tournament when they happened to be at an event for other reasons.

 

[Tero.]

I think it's important that we consider people who play at PM events fairly regularly, rather than people who won one tournament when they happened to be at an event for other reasons.

this.
People who win because they are good (at melee) don't help the metagame that much if they only play occasionally. We need people who play regularly and put time/thought into the characters.

 

[Vashimus]

The list can show to players on the list who they should fight if they need more experience in a matchup.

 

[metroid1117]

I thought the point of Professor Pro's list was to highlight players that others may want to watch and learn from; if that's the case, then how frequently they contribute probably shouldn't be a necessary factor.

 

[Professor Pro]

Peach - Bladewise, Nintendude
Fox - Mango, M2k, Kels
Marth - Dr PP
Zelda - Salem
Lucas - Calabrel


Fuzzyness plays Lucario? What happened to sonic?

I'd take Vro off ike, and move him to the front of the diddy kong list.

I know he probably doesn't still main Ike (Vro) but he probably still has vids representing the character well, which is the point.
Fuzzy only really went one tournament with Sonic, im not really too sure he represented Sonic as well as some of the other sonics :/ and yeah Fuzzy plays Lucario.

Thanks for the list, i'm suprized you haven't put yourself on one of these yet.

Added Kage to Ganon
Added Axe to Pikachu
Added Dr PeePee to Marth & Falco
Added Mango to Fox
Added Mew2king to Fox
Added Kels to Fox
Added Salem to Zelda
Added Calabrel to Lucas

Bowser - Gimpyfish, Kirk
Captain Falcon -
Charizard - Metroid
Diddy Kong - Disco, GuruKid, Vro
Donkey Kong - Strong Bad, Eli
Falco - Dr PeePee
Fox - Mew2king, Kels, Mango
Game & Watch - Dakpo
Ganondorf - Kage
Ike - Vro, Nintendude
Ivysaur - TheReflexWonder, Vwins
Jigglypuff -
King Dedede - Fly Amanita
Link - Hylian
Lucario - Fuzzyness
Lucas - Calabrel
Luigi - Eli
Mario - Wobbles, Hungrybox
Marth - Dr PeePee
Ness - Awestin, SinisterB, NKGuy
Peach -
Pikachu - Axe
Pit - Archangel, Armada, SaiXeven
R.O.B. - Oracle, JCaesar
Sheik -
Snake - Professor Pro
Sonic - Sethlon, Wizzrobe
Squirtle -
Toon Link - Jolteon, Okami
Wario - TheReflexWonder, Alpha Dash
Wolf - Silent Wolf, Chillindude829
Zelda - Zhime, Ryoko, Salem
Zero Suit Samus - Vanz, Leffen, Oro

I thought the point of Professor Pro's list was to highlight players that others may want to watch and learn from; if that's the case, then how frequently they contribute probably shouldn't be a necessary factor.

It is this, even if a player doesn't contribute that much, if they actually have a set where they display the character's abilities really well, it will be posted on the thread regardless

 

[Gimpyfish62]

i think that the list that you all are making is fine... bbbbbbuuuuuuttttttt it should definitely be in it's own thread.

 

[dookdigity]

Burnsy's Lucas is getting up there. I really enjoyed watching HungryBox 's Mario. I don't think he plays him anymore, sadly.

 

[Zef]

http://www.twitch.tv/CaptainZef# streaming PM

 

[Hylian]

Eventually I'm going to defeat the kong. Eventually.

Hylian(Fox/Ivysaur) vs Strongbad(DK) Winners Finals:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-TTjNQKGBT0

Hylian(Link) vs Strongbad(DK) serious set:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coivTP9dQF8

 

[Cia]

That's quite an interesting tier list you have there

 

[Oro?!]

Hylian why no Link in tournament?

 

[Hylian]

Hylian why no Link in tournament?

Because I think Link does horrible against DK lol. I've tried Link several times in tournament against SB, and I play against my roommates DK who beats my link all the time as well.

 

[Deleted member]

your fox control is pretty good at least.

so far i have the best sheik and marth that i've seen, although i was pretty impressed with ryoko and dr pp when i played with them.

edit: okami, i played with you at apex right? i played a lot of people so i don't remember specifics too well.

 

[KayB]

Charizard Nairwheel is broooooookeen.

 

[TheReflexWonder]

It's...really simple and useful, for sure. It's not -that- silly compared to the good stuff of other characters who we're used to calling high-tier, though.

That's not a statement targeted at other characters as much as it is a defense of Charizard's N-Air's general effectiveness.

 

[Vro]

2.5 ike is a whole different char that is practically unusable in the last bracket of tourney.
if you put up my name for people to watch ike, they are watching a fantasy char.

 

[Juushichi]

I think Mow has the best Sheik I've seen.

 

[Deleted member]

i seriously feel like that char was custom-made specifically for my hands. easily the best playing character in any game i've played.

 

[OkamiBW]

@Umbreon - We talked, but I don't think we actually played.

I can always edit the thread title to reflect that we're doing both tier list speculation and something along the lines of good player determination.

Also, what happened to not putting on the Melee Top Tiers?

Like, why is Axe on there when he doesn't really care much about Project M? To my knowledge, he's played it outside of tourney (and outside of 1-P mode with me) for about 2 hours since December.