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Never said anything about countering your argument about Jiggs having a ****ty design. I don't like Jiggs one bit. I was pointing out that giving Jiggs a buffed sing would be absurd because of rest while also poking fun at your overly dramatic statement that she's a blemish on a otherwise creative and well designed game. Now if you expected me to assume that Jiggs would have a drastically different downB then the one she's had in every smash game, perhaps you should've elaborated on that.
The general consensus on the Yoshi boards is that recovery is fine. Yoshi is heavier than da** Charizard.
I also agree that yoshi is bein slept on too. he just has a lot of good stuff and the super armor really messes people up
I know, the examples werent the best but I wanted to emphasize the importance of a neutral game.
lolwat. Dude, Marth's grab range is longer than Roy's, even if only marginally.
The armor on his double jump works the same way that it did in Melee. It's based on KB. so if a move breaks the armor, IIRC, whatever amount of KB that is left over is then applied to yoshi.
So is that why Yoshi almost has a dipping effect when he gets hit during his double jump, he takes negative knockback? On attacks that don't break his armor I mean.
Ofc, nothing compares to delicious Brawl SDI lol. Still, if you're given the option of eating 1-2 hits + you SDI through and possibly punish, vs eating all of it or shielding it and likely having 0 punish, it's something people should consider. Or not dying to Fsmash, and getting a punish on Diddy? I'd definitely be attempting that 75-100% of the time I think Diddy is gonna Fsmash me, and you can solve part of that issue if they go for it during tech chase/trips because it's much easier to read.
It isn't but I stated facts in it to prove my point.
Is that how were judging things by?You get lucky and that the other person makes a bad decision if thats how it is there really is no point in arguing with you people.
That still doesn't stop him from being extremely gimpable I never said he couldn't recover high even if it is still worse than some others its in a fine spot thats not the issue here.The issue here is armor on the second jump doesnt make up for the actual utility of having an actual recovery move that will always lower him to a bad spot.I know his on stage and ability to do damage upwards is in a pretty damn good spot but having such a huge whole there and people will abuse it heavily to win unlike some other characters weaknesses which as I see it are not as large.It doesnt neccesarily have to be a tether but I feel something about it needs to be addressed and the tether would do it.
Definitely don't agree that you should just be "getting lucky" with recovery using armor so I understand disagreeing with that, but just like any other time in this giant game of rock-paper-scissors, you need to mix up your recovery accordingly based on observing how your opponent has been attempting to edge guard. It's true that Yoshi has no true Up-B recovery and it's a major weakness, but it's really not as debilitating as it may seem at first glance.
I understand the concern but doing something like making him be able to wall jump in his egg (which was another idea I had)like Ike can with his quickdraw would be even more powerful than a weak tether so I was trying to keep some modesty in my ideas.Ill always stand by the fact that I think his recovery could use some love but its certainly hard to come up with a good and perfectly appropriate idea with his move set.
The most reasonable idea I could think of for a recovery buff (although I thing we both seem to just disagree on if he needs it) would be a little bit more distance and pop to side B. Tether would be too much and egg roll wall jump wouldn't work since Yoshi loses his DJ when he uses Side B. It could be changed I suppose, but I'm still more inclined to just let things stay and see how it turns out.
With Pit they nerfed his arrow's cooldown, making it unable to be short hopped and then double jumped or wavelanded before you touched the ground (and AGT too, so it was basically like a better version of Wolf's SH Laser WL) besides obviously overall slower from it. So now he could do a lot less cool stuff/move with it. He needed the nerf, but you kind of wish they could do something else to nerf it. Watching Pits now, they just stand still and fire arrows making it even more detestable to me lol; and it still works wonders. I like the game to be about movement ya know, if you can keep a projectile to still have somewhat of techniques and movement to it without making it broken and super annoying (like Pit was able to DJ fire arrows off the ledge pretty goodly which is kind of lame), is that better than making it slower/more immobile while keeping the power?
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outta curiousity, do you play Yoshi? Not tryna come at you, I'm just genuinely curious. On paper his recovery might seem lacking, but it really isn't.Rest is also a pretty badly designed move and should probably change. Guess right on DI = they die, guess wrong = you die just isn't great game design in general, PM isn't generally supposed to be that volatile. I'd much rather see Rest be more reliable but less powerful so you could actually use it more without just rolling the dice.
Within reason, sure, but a move that takes a whole stock off somebody any time it's used is kind of excessive.
