Welcome to Smashboards, the world's largest Super Smash Brothers community! Over 250,000 Smash Bros. fans from around the world have come to discuss these great games in over 19 million posts!
You are currently viewing our boards as a visitor. Click here to sign up right now and start on your path in the Smash community!
Pichu fits this description.
To be fair, match-up inexperience probably played a part in your success (your set against Kels in Loser's was pretty hilarious because of that). However, I agree that D3 is definitely not the worst and, IMHO, is generally underrated.
So what happened to that match of my IC's vs SB?
lol
probably ganondorf
Which leads to people not maining charizard, which leads to people maining more commonly used characters, which leads to more bad matchups for charizard.
The people who contribute to charizard's metagame aren't the ones who would quit playing the character if faced with adversity
I`m talking more about newcomers. People who just joined will look and go "Charizard isn`t a very good character to play as against the most commonly used characters, I think it would be better to main a different character that is good against commonly used characters."
the more common suggestions i've seen are something to encourage the opponent to come to you (something as simple as making a storable warlock punch or more complicated like an offense up variant) and/or a method to get around projectiles a little easier.
Some people might, but the majority of people will play what they find fun to play as, and the greatness of project m lies in the fact that the balance is close enough that the chief concern of new players is who is fun to play as, as every character is pretty viable.
You can't really react to it in a realistic scenario, but I never said and never meant to imply you could. Rather, the situations where R.O.B. can reliably air dash and attack are ones that are common to reckognize.
I think you're correct with the assumption that Charizard's worst match-ups are common top tiers like Sheik, Fox, and Falco, but I think that the match-ups (with the possible exception of Sheik, since Ganon might be able to chain grab her [I'm not sure if this carried over from Melee]) are not as bad for Charizard as they are for Ganon - Charizard's punish game is oriented towards tech chasing and juggling, whereas Ganon's punish game typically involves tech chasing and putting opponents in bad positions where they can be hit again. However, Charizard's range and speed makes him better at tech chasing than Ganon and spacies are notoriously easy to juggle, so IMHO Charizard can potentially punish spacies harder than Ganon can. In terms of the neutral game, I think Charizard has a slight edge because of his superior ground mobility and up+B OoS (which has invincibility from frames 1-4 and the hitbox comes out on frame 5, IIRC) to deal with pressure, whereas Ganon seems to rely on wavelanding for out-maneuvering opponents and shutting them out with spaced FAirs and FTilts.
Fox/Falco/Sheik are traditionally also horrible matchups for Ganon. Hell, I'd argue Zard has better matchups against all three of those chars than Ganon.
Ganon loses to each of those characters WORSE than Charizard has it. Ganon then also has a harder time dealing with any projectile character,
Why is Zard a hard counter to DK?
This is probably the best tier list I've seen so far. Just out of curiosity, however, why do you rank DK above Ivy and Lucas? I've always thought of DK as a very solid mid-tier, not a high tier above placing above those two.
Probably because I play with Strong Bad fairly often. I think Ivy might be above him but I think it's close. Lucas is less consistent to me than DK so I put him under.
