Tier list alternative - Rate the characters! (experienced players only)

[NixxxoN]

Ok after some elementary school maths i got the latest ranks.

I got some votings rounded to make it easier. Please only vote: .0 .25 .5 and .75

Players voted: NixxxoN, Sirhc, Peek~, KoRoBeNiKi, Nintendude1189, †¹Ãgøn¥¹†, RocheCL, z33ke, TehBo49, greenblob, nesshero, Zen Yore, MattNF

Pikachu - 129.75
Fox - 118.75
Kirby - 115.75
Falcon - 111,75
Mario - 106.25
Jigglypuff - 98.5
Ness - 96
Yoshi - 91.5
DK - 82
Luigi - 77.75
Link - 70
Samus - 65.5

Pika is beating the crap out of the rest, Fox is 2nd placed, Ness is mid tier and Samus is bottom.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

Hey add mine from before lol
Im adjusting scores
Pikachu - 10
Fox - 9.5
Kirby - 9
Mario - 8.5
Jigglypuff - 8
Falcon - 7.5
Yoshi - 5
Luigi: 4.5
Ness: 4
DK - 3.5
Link - 3
Samus - 2

 

[NixxxoN]

Done. Highest tier pika is about 2x the score of lowest tier Samus lol

 

[†¹Ãgøn¥¹†]

I still think that Luigi and Samus are the most underated character so far. Let's see how it goes in 1 month.

 

[JaimeHR]

What's the point of a Tier list again plox?

 

[NixxxoN]

What's the point of a Tier list again plox?

has this thing ever done before? I mean experienced players ratings, exactly as this.

 

[Surri-Sama]

I still think that Luigi and Samus are the most underated character so far. Let's see how it goes in 1 month.

imo luigi is lucky to be above link >_>

 

[†¹Ãgøn¥¹†]

Nah, imo luigi is better then DK,Link,Yoshi and possibly Jiggly. He can kill really easily and has a good edge guard ability and his recovery has good priority.

 

[Zantetsu]

Nah, imo luigi is better then DK,Link,Yoshi and possibly Jiggly. He can kill really easily and has a good edge guard ability and his recovery has good priority.

Lol jiggly and yoshi?

Jiggly and Yoshi are both waaaaaay better then Luigi XD

 

[†¹Ãgøn¥¹†]

Yoshi is way more hard to use then luigi, so at a low level luigi is better, but if it's a real yoshi user, then ok. But are tiers based on the characters themselves or their potential? Just wondering to make things clear.

 

[Zantetsu]

Yoshi is way more hard to use then luigi, so at a low level luigi is better, but if it's a real yoshi user, then ok. But are tiers based on the characters themselves or their potential? Just wondering to make things clear.

It's pretty much based of potential/how they're expected to place in tournaments.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

luigi should be above link and samus and thats all

 

[Tigerb0mbz]

yallz forgot jesus as a character cuz THATS WHO YALLZ NEED TO BE wen u play me shun!

 

[greenblob]

Yoshi is way more hard to use then luigi, so at a low level luigi is better, but if it's a real yoshi user, then ok. But are tiers based on the characters themselves or their potential? Just wondering to make things clear.

The tier list is based on the current highest level of play.

 

[AlanCiTuAndPope20]

luigi should be above link and samus and thats all

Oh no!! who knows!! It depends on the person who takes control of the char.
IMO luigi is too slow for samus and of course for Link.

 

[Surri-Sama]

luigi is far to floaty and slow, and he jumps to high, and....he smells

 

[†¹Ãgøn¥¹†]

Samus should be higher though, 'cause like her combos are pretty easy and she got good defensive skills and her recovery can be tricky to edge guard. Plus her hitstun is so short compared to others, she can Dair you right after a Uair of the other character.

 

[Zantetsu]

'cause like her combos are pretty easy

Samus?

Combos?

Easy?

 

[AvengerAngel]

Lulz, I guess he was talking about Dair tech chasing

btw I really can't understand why people think Ness is low-middle tier o_O
His utilt his almost broken, his smashes have good range and good priority, his aerial are scary and he can easily tech chase. The djc allows him to break shields without much effort. The point is his recovery isn't really good, but still I think it's way better than Fox' or Falcon's recovery :O

 

[Surri-Sama]

Lulz, I guess he was talking about Dair tech chasing

btw I really can't understand why people think Ness is low-middle tier o_O
His utilt his almost broken, his smashes have good range and good priority, his aerial are scary and he can easily tech chase. The djc allows him to break shields without much effort. The point is his recovery isn't really good, but still I think it's way better than Fox' or Falcon's recovery :O

i agree with this, cept last part, its not better, but its about the same really...all easy to gimp

 

[AvengerAngel]

Yeah, but I think (I'm not sure though) Ness' recovery can cover more distance than Fox' and Falcon's

 

[Daedatheus]

Yeah, but I think (I'm not sure though) Ness' recovery can cover more distance than Fox' and Falcon's

It can cover a lot more. Some of the returns Ness can make are insane vs. characters that can't go too far away from an edge to edgeguard without dying. A good example is near the bottom on the right side of hyrule, right up against the wall. If Ness shoots straight up he'll survive from very far down. Of course in this situation, sweetspotting the ledge is easier, and the risk to gimp is higher because you might get hit by the up+b. Whereas if he were higher and farther away, he would be easily gimped while falling towards the stage after his up+b, even if only for a short time, making it equal more or less to Fox/Falcon.

 

[Surri-Sama]

yea but see, if ness is trying to go up the edge, all you have to do is grab the edge yourself...then fall Dair or Nair, depending on situation

 

[NixxxoN]

Ness recovery is rubbish, slow as ****, the easiest to intercept and easy to interrupt the up+b process. Although he can go back from a lot of distance, this doesnt really mean its good.
Possibly the only way to do a "secure" recover is to sweetspot from behind, and its not easy at all... And try to do it against a good pikachu? Lets say its impossible.

Ness and Link are similar in the way they should be much better ranked with a decent recovery.

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

The only reason why I put ness so low on the tier list is because of his recovery and that every single ness plays basically the exact same way. It is like playing against a zelda in melee. Once you get used to most good ness's....they become easy

 

[Surri-Sama]

The only reason why I put ness so low on the tier list is because of his recovery and that every single ness plays basically the exact same way. It is like playing against a zelda in melee. Once you get used to most good ness's....they become easy

the same could be said about every char

"once you learn how to beat them, you can beat them"

 

[†¹Ãgøn¥¹†]

Yeah, I meant tech chase with samus, I just coudn't find the word >.<

 

[KoRoBeNiKi]

the same could be said about every char

"once you learn how to beat them, you can beat them"

Im more saying about how every one of them plays.
every single ness plays the exact same way. This is not the same of any other Character besides in some ways falcon but falcon can actually easily 0 to death.

 

[Surri-Sama]

Im more saying about how every one of them plays.
every single ness plays the exact same way. This is not the same of any other Character besides in some ways falcon but falcon can actually easily 0 to death.

i dont find...but then again theres not many ness' to go by so :\

 

[NixxxoN]

Im more saying about how every one of them plays.
every single ness plays the exact same way.

not true. There are the usually agressive spamming Ness players and the more cautious ones

 

[Surri-Sama]

not true. There are the usually agressive spamming Ness players and the more cautious ones

but boom fan said D:

Hardtoseesarcasim

 

[ThePacifist]

The only reason why I put ness so low on the tier list is because of his recovery and that every single ness plays basically the exact same way. It is like playing against a zelda in melee. Once you get used to most good ness's....they become easy

I'll agree that you can get used to gimping ness's recovery, and that it hurts his standing a little, but his ability to combo and DJC more than make up for this.

 

[NixxxoN]

but boom fan said D:

Hardtoseesarcasim

lol sorry but where's the sarcasm?

I'll agree that you can get used to gimping ness's recovery, and that it hurts his standing a little, but his ability to combo and DJC more than make up for this.

The same could be said with most of chars... Makes up for what? for being high tier? I dont agree.

 

[SuPeRbOoM]

I'll agree that you can get used to gimping ness's recovery, and that it hurts his standing a little, but his ability to combo and DJC more than make up for this.

sure ness' onstage game is very good but once he gets hit he's just done.

but boom fan said D:

also lol

 

[IntensiveCareBear]

Ok after some elementary school maths i got the latest ranks.

I got some votings rounded to make it easier. Please only vote: .0 .25 .5 and .75

Players voted: NixxxoN, Sirhc, Peek~, KoRoBeNiKi, Nintendude1189, †¹Ãgøn¥¹†, RocheCL, z33ke, TehBo49, greenblob, nesshero, Zen Yore, MattNF

Pikachu - 129.75
Fox - 118.75
Kirby - 115.75
Falcon - 111,75
Mario - 106.25
Jigglypuff - 98.5
Ness - 96
Yoshi - 91.5
DK - 82
Luigi - 77.75
Link - 70
Samus - 65.5

Pika is beating the crap out of the rest, Fox is 2nd placed, Ness is mid tier and Samus is bottom.

I can live with this... EXCEPT for the fact that jiggs is below mario?... come on...

 

[NixxxoN]

I can live with this... EXCEPT for the fact that jiggs is below mario?... come on...

Yes

What a worthful registering, isnt it? xP

 

[†¹Ãgøn¥¹†]

I can live with this... EXCEPT for the fact that jiggs is below mario?... come on...

Lol, I still think that Mario could be higher then kirby easily, but watever...

 

[Surri-Sama]

sure ness' onstage game is very good but once he gets hit he's just done.

I wouldn’t say once he gets hit but...once he gets offstage

Most chars are doomed once they are thrown out though, or at least will have almost no hope of coming back

Fox, Falcon, Link, and Ness

They are all very hopeless for recovery DK also has a hard time but, he has frames so his is better then the rest...for the most part.


If someone is playing Ness, and they know what they are doing, they will pressure the FOE to go off the stage, and that’s very easy for ness to do with such from Grabs and high priority Aerials, or the Ness can play it save and just stage towards the center of the stage and avoid the edges, which is also very easy because ness can DJC attacks quickly to make it very hard to approach.

Hyrule is a haven for Ness, he can hide in the **** tent or pressure someone else into it and once he does he is at an extreme advantage (unless you’re facing pika ...And maybe fox) combos come easy and everywhere, plus he can edge guard on both sides of Hyrule, with almost no risk, D-smash or Spike (repeat if you knocked them away, but not killed them), then return to the center of the stage.

Of course all this being said a good Ness would of course be a bit more defensive then offensive, and that maybe the #1 reason why people see Ness as a middle tier char, almost EVERYONE plays every char offensively which leads to defensive chars failing, and making a bad name for themselves.


Abuse his throws, it works.

 

[NixxxoN]

Ness fails at every stage besides Hyule, Sector Z and the Jungle.

Also, he lacks fast and powerful finishers to knock the others out... His yoyo is slow, his smash attack is slow, his upsmash is powerful but only knocks out with a high %.

 

[Surri-Sama]

Ness fails at every stage besides Hyule, Sector Z and the Jungle.

Also, he lacks fast and powerful finishers to knock the others out... His yoyo is slow, his smash attack is slow, his upsmash is powerful but only knocks out with a high %.

beware of Spike, Bair, and theres nothing wrong with having broken hitboxes for U&Dsmashes