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[takeurlife2]

or dancing blade for that matter(unless its OOS or from a pivot that punished a roll) because everyone just dodgerolls behind you and grabs.

Try fighting a good diddy or lucario if you dont know what im talking about.

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rolling is the new spot dodge

 

[feardragon64]

If it's that predictible for the dancing blades why not just DB1 in one direction then DB1 in the other direction?

Or you know, using DB and fsmash as punishers instead of approaches? o.o?

 

[Pierce7d]

You're doing it wrong. Grounded Cross Up Dancing Blade is MUCH safer, and *****.

Seriously, rolling isn't that broken. As for Lucario? Just Fair.

 

[magikguy]

well sir i'm still going to do it.

 

[Slasherx]

Mind game them, use smash in the other direction?
or instead of smash go grab or pivot grab.

 

[Shaya]

There was a time when I would go entire matches without fsmashing, it was deemed useless to me; I liked my fair to dtilt to dancing blade more, I liked killing with dsmashes or nairs/bairs; but then you realise that its a good damage hitting move. Anyway enough about me.

Fair does fine against roll spammers such as Lucario who don't have an uberly fast dsmash to back it up.

 

[**Havok**]

Lucario can pose to be a problem because he has the fastest roll in the game or something like it. He can roll behind you and still power shield your so called "punishment".

I rarely F-smash, but i realize you have to just go for it and use it at random intervals to get those tippers. Otherwise Marth's kill moves become obvious with the rest of his arsenal. They should have made his fsmash faster or something. =(

 

[Emblem Lord]

I f-smash.

All the time.

And they tipper.

Ask anyone who has seen me play.

My powers are beyond you though.

It's understandable.

 

[Shaya]

I f-smash.

All the time.

And they tipper.

Ask anyone who has seen me play.

My powers are beyond you though.

It's understandable.

No one's seen you play MARTH since JUNE. Are you sure it wasn't just dtilts you were tipping? <3.

Or melee... You're talking about melee aren't you.

 

[**Havok**]

I f-smash.
My powers are beyond you though.

It's understandable.

lol ok

10 oks

 

[Steel]

Emblem Lord has no problem non-tipper fsmashing you at 0%. He uses the move more than ankoku (not even joking).

 

[Ulevo]

FSmash? What is this FSmash you speak of? There is no FSmash in Marths arsenal of moves.

 

[ZHMT]

Lucario can pose to be a problem because he has the fastest roll in the game or something like it. He can roll behind you and still power shield your so called "punishment".

I rarely F-smash, but i realize you have to just go for it and use it at random intervals to get those tippers. Otherwise Marth's kill moves become obvious with the rest of his arsenal. They should have made his fsmash faster or something. =(

They should of given it tons of asai frames (so its safe on block), and make it do 16% untipped, 21% tipped, uncharged. xD

But seriously, fsmash isnt useless, its just really situational and matchup dependant. Backthrow and dash attack are useless. Dair is easily replaced by a fair, nair, or bair. Are people actually saying fsmash = backthrow usefulness? There is a time when your dancing blade is weakened and a dsmash will not tip. Use fsmash when it will tip (common sense), which you should be at tip range a lot anyways.

 

[Remzi]

I'm moving towards only using Fsmash as a punisher when my opponent is in kill range. DB on the other hand is my baby, and I'll never give that up.

OMG ITS SNOWING :D

 

[ZHMT]

I havent seen snow in a over a year. <<

 

[Remzi]

I havent seen snow in a over a year. <<

Me either, till today. We usually get a pretty decent amount, this is the first real snow we've had since last winter. And I take it you were out of state last time you saw it?

So yea fsmash sucks.

 

[Steel]

@ zmt

dash attack isn't useless, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0lPZ3U7Ino#t=5m39s . it can also be used as an anti-landing move

 

[ZHMT]

@Bengals, I used to live in PA.

@Steel, I never used dash attack that way, or thought of it. I guess it has minimal use. As an anti-landing move cant you use usmash? Or am I mixing something up?

Backthrow still sucks. :D

 

[_Kadaj_]

just space your moves properly and you'll always be able to punish someone for rolling


Edit: LAMO @ the guy who made that thread. He sounded like a caveman

 

[Doomblaze]

Tell Ankoku not to F-smash

then hide

 

[takeurlife2]

just space your moves properly and you'll always be able to punish someone for rolling


Edit: LAMO @ the guy who made that thread. He sounded like a caveman

lmao at the guy who bases his whole "niche" off dash dancing and not tournament placings.

anyway, dancing blade is slowly becoming more useless as well due to the fact that you can spot dodge the whole attack. To those of you who will say "but just do the down varient" i say "they will either roll or simply block the final hit. Either way you are going to get punished for it." Even against those who dont spotdodge religiously, they will DI out and punish you. The move sucks against everyone but snake and D3.

Who knows, maybe it's just the fact that i've given my area a huge amount of anti-marth practice.

Who wants to take bets? I am betting that the diddy v marth matchup goes even or in diddy's favor soon. Lucario v marth is already even IMO.

 

[Punishment Divine]

lmao at the guy who bases his whole "niche" off dash dancing and not tournament placings.

anyway, dancing blade is slowly becoming more useless as well due to the fact that you can spot dodge the whole attack. To those of you who will say "but just do the down varient" i say "they will either roll or simply block the final hit. Either way you are going to get punished for it." Even against those who dont spotdodge religiously, they will DI out and punish you. The move sucks against everyone but snake and D3.

Who knows, maybe it's just the fact that i've given my area a huge amount of anti-marth practice.

Who wants to take bets? I am betting that the diddy v marth matchup goes even or in diddy's favor soon. Lucario v marth is already even IMO.

Spotdodge the whole thing? I've never seen anyone do that, and it's still a universal punisher regardless. I have no idea how you seem to think it's useless now or something...

 

[ChaosKnight]

well if you dont know how to use dancing blade then learn to do it :o because dancing blade is still Good if you know how to use it example .... 1 fb to 2fb ... stop jump backwards fair or turn around grab or 1 db into up b if you know hes gonna block it ... so many options you can do if you dont do the full dancing blade

 

[Schwaumlaut]

If people are able to spotdodge your Dancing Blade, try slowing it down as a mixup - I got Quivo with a full set of green pokes by baiting a shield drop.

 

[takeurlife2]

Spotdodge the whole thing? I've never seen anyone do that, and it's still a universal punisher regardless. I have no idea how you seem to think it's useless now or something...

look at 1:50

EDIT: all variations can be punished easily. if you bate, you get grabbed. The whole concept of DB turns into a guessing game, just like falco and his dthrow. DB is reliable for punishing most attacks OOS i will admit though.

 

[Punishment Divine]

look at 1:50

EDIT: all variations can be punished easily. if you bate, you get grabbed. The whole concept of DB turns into a guessing game, just like falco and his dthrow. DB is reliable for punishing most attacks OOS i will admit though.

Wut? *Doesn't see a vid*

Regardless, I'm not really seeing evidence to back your claim up

 

[VietGeek]

Spotdodge the whole thing? I've never seen anyone do that, and it's still a universal punisher regardless. I have no idea how you seem to think it's useless now or something...

I have.

But it was just a Dedede.

 

[TLMSheikant]

LMFAO at the guy who thinks DB is bad. I just had to laugh. If u dont know how to use it then ur bad. But there's a little something to DB and it is called one of the best punishers in the game. And who can spotdodge the entire DB O_O wow must be a character with an untouchable spotdodge which u wouldnt be fighting anyway because there's none.

 

[takeurlife2]

Wut? *Doesn't see a vid*

Regardless, I'm not really seeing evidence to back your claim up

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=hEH_-WC9QlQ

sorry, forgot the link XD

the same player has dodged all of DB with diddy as well, pretty easily i might add. Basically, any character can sidestep the first hit, then they can simply shield the rest of the combo(it's almost guarenteed if they dont let go of the shield button)unless they choose to continue sidestepping to account for you cancelling your DB into a grab or something.

 

[Punishment Divine]

I have.

But it was just a Dedede.

I had assumed that the only characters who would would be able to just dodge the whole thing would be...like DDD, ROB and maybe Zelda lol. Even then I always just slow it down...

EDIT: It's okay. Well that's not a time when I would Dancing Blade, exactly :-/ In fact, I would call that a pretty piss poor time to use it. If you were closer and punishing HIM for spotdodging against you, that most likely wouldn't have happened. I've had people dodge it like that as well, but the same people get ***** by it up close.

DOUBLE EDIT LOLZ: Lay off the flaming guys. Seriously, he's trying to raise a valid point. So debate it logically or gtfo

 

[Tennet]

As Punishment said it was badly used and the pit player most likely knew it was coming so he spot dodged. The spot dodge ended after the second strike then he shielded the 3rd spot dodged again then punished.

 

[takeurlife2]

As Punishment said it was badly used and the pit player most likely knew it was coming so he spot dodged. The spot dodge ended after the second strike then he shielded the 3rd spot dodged again then punished.

wow okay, didnt know you kids would get that specific about the video.

needless to say, it is very possible to sidestep the entire dblade and it is very punishable, but meh, you guys will find this out in a few months like you do with most everything Texas marths find first.

(my statement on the diddy and lucario matchups still stand)

 

[Steel]

gotta love them texas marths advancing the meta game

 

[Tennet]

Actually i'm pointing out that it wasn't one whole spot dodge and if you use DB right this won't happen. Unless they have time to predict it.

 

[Punishment Divine]

wow okay, didnt know you kids would get that specific about the video.

needless to say, it is very possible to sidestep the entire dblade and it is very punishable, but meh, you guys will find this out in a few months like you do with most everything Texas marths find first.

(my statement on the diddy and lucario matchups still stand)

Sounds like a conspiracy theory to me, and without proper evidence I'm afraid that's all I can really make of it. Honestly, from the video, it just looked like the situation and mis-spacing caused the DB to get flubbed.

 

[∫unk]

needless to say, it is very possible to sidestep the entire dblade and it is very punishable, but meh, you guys will find this out in a few months like you do with most everything Texas marths find first.

but wc and ec found out db is punishable like within the first month of brawl... i'm confused

and ask your friends from texas how our marths did against them when they came here... and they have all that take experience too i dunno what happened

 

[**Havok**]

It's just about applying it intelligently, there's no other way to use it. If you use it blindly of course you get punished, same thing with Fair. Just use it in opportunities that warrants the use of DB. Nice and simple.

It hits in Frame 4, if you extensive knowledge in frame data you can use that to your advantage.

Marth is about playing intelligently.

Just saying.

 

[PKNintendo]

I f-smash.

All the time.

And they tipper.

Ask anyone who has seen me play.

My powers are beyond you though.

It's understandable.

Dear god you post like someone from Earthbound. You sure you've never played that before?

IMO, it's a decent KO that comes out relatively fast, but punishable. I think of it as a faster/weaker (unless tippered) version of Wario's Fsmash.

 

[phi1ny3]

Dear god you post like someone from Earthbound. You sure you've never played that before?

IMO, it's a decent KO that comes out relatively fast, but punishable. I think of it as a faster/weaker (unless tippered) version of Wario's Fsmash.

It's also better against air born enemies than wario's fsmash.

 

[VietGeek]

Dear god you post like someone from Earthbound. You sure you've never played that before?

Healing mushrooms that make you trippy is pretty intense.

Luckily my daddy won't beat me.

Today.

Anyway what I've learned from this thread is that Brawl is annoyingly gay so we should play the other unbalanced game called Melee.

Because at least it's easier to punish those defensive options right?