They ruined Samus.

[PsychoIncarnate]

This is true, but you are still only assuming that the majority like Super better, you seem to think it is fact, but I am inclined to believe you have no basis for that.

Well, we'll see...

until then, it's a pretty safe assumption

 

[Shuma]

It is a fact that the mayority likes Super Metroid better, and any metroid fanboy can tell you that Super Metroid is the best Metroid Game, it's also the best Side scroller adventure game in history, and it's on many lists, on the top 5 games in history or in the top 10.

Edit:

@Johnknight:

You're an idiot, Spiderman 3 sold better than 1 and Spiderman 1 was better, are you ********? sales mean nothing, Halo 3 outsold Halo 1 and Halo 1 is better, i could give you a thousand more examples.

 

[SiD]

Well, we'll see...

until then, it's a pretty safe assumption

How's that? Again, you have no reason to believe this other than your own opinion. On the other hand, as others pointed out, Prime has sold way more on a console that sold way less.

I'm not trying to say Prime is better, as I haven't played Super Metroid, I'm saying I'd appreciate it if you weren't so arrogant in the future. And with that, it's time to go play Halo 3, the best game evar.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

How's that? Again, you have no reason to believe this other than your own opinion. On the other hand, as others pointed out, Prime has sold way more on a console that sold way less.

I'm not trying to say Prime is better, as I haven't played Super Metroid, I'm saying I'd appreciate it if you weren't so arrogant in the future. And with that, it's time to go play Halo 3, the best game evar.

It's a pretty safe assumption because it's considered one of the greatest games in video game history by MANY gaming magizines, including EGM and such...

 

[Shuma]

Everyone ignores my posts... I need a vacation.

 

[Xenesis]

Space Pirates have been in every single Metroid game except II, you know that right?

Chozo>Luminoth/Ing

Hunters? don't make me laught, the closer thing they could be are assist trophies, they're not popular expect Weavel and Sylux, and Ridley>Dark Samus>Sylux>Weavel they're pretty low on the priority list.

Indeed, the Space Pirates have.

In Metroid, they were a vague reference and the only 'Space Pirates' were Ridley, Kraid and Mother Brain.

In Super Metroid they were generic Lobster enemies that you fought.

In Metroid Fusion, they were X-Clones and still generic lobster enemies.

In Metroid Prime they were a major enemy force - constantly competing and setting traps for Samus while actively reverse engineering her technology to stand a chance in combat. The vast majority of Metroid Prime was Samus Vs The Space Pirates - Metroid Prime's influence was almost secondary. In Prime 2 they were important at the early stages of the game before meeting disaster.

In short, Metroid Prime 1 & 2 turned the Space Pirates from 'generic enemy no. 2383' to a cohesive antagonist with a proper worldview behind them. Eg, Primes did for the Space Pirates what Mario RPG & Paper Marios did for Bowser as a character.

As for the Hunters - I've only played MP:H briefly and I haven't had a chance to play Prime 3 yet (It's not out in Australia), but even I can tell you that the Hunters are a notable part of the Metroid universe now. If current gen starter pokemon (Eg, Piplup) can appear as an Assist Trophy - it's not much of a stretch to have the hunters as an assist.

 

[Shuma]

So you like.... know nothing about Metroid history? Even in the manual was stated that the Pirates where the bad guys, since Metroid 1.

Metroid Prime expanded the game, but the pirates have always been pirates and the main enemy.

 

[Johnknight1]

It is a fact that the mayority likes Super Metroid better, and any metroid fanboy can tell you that Super Metroid is the best Metroid Game, it's also the best Side scroller adventure game in history, and it's on many lists, on the top 5 games in history or in the top 10.

Edit:

@Johnknight:

You're an idiot, Spiderman 3 sold better than 1 and Spiderman 1 was better, are you ********? sales mean nothing, Halo 3 outsold Halo 1 and Halo 1 is better, i could give you a thousand more examples.

SO? The majority says OOT is better then TP, when TP clearly has better gameplay, story, visuals, mechanics, etc. IT is because it was a REVOLUTIONARY GAMES, TO NEW EXTENTS. Same thing when comparing Super Metroid to Metroid Prime.

Spiderman 3 ***** Spiderman 1. All the Spiderman films sucked up until 3. Halo 3 ***** Halo 2 and 1 (I've played all 3), and you're basing s*** on your opinion. All I'm saying is the old, somewat old, and new need to be repped in some way, shape, or form, PERIOD!

And having played AND BEATEN Super Metroid 4 TIMES, and played and beaten Metroid Prime 1 twice, Hunters twice, Prime 2 3 times, Fusion 6 times, and MP3 once, I think MP3 is the best. w00p di f***ing doo. Stop basing crap off your opinion. All of Metroid should be repped, period. Saying Prime shouldn't be repped in some way, shape, or form is stupid. That is the point of this duscission, not stupid fanboyishist extremism.

 

[Xenesis]

So you like.... know nothing about Metroid history? Even in the manual was stated that the Pirates where the bad guys, since Metroid 1.

Metroid Prime expanded the game, but the pirates have always been pirates and the main enemy.

Don't talk down to me like an idiot.

They've always been the main enemy. Did I ever dispute that?

Prime made them important.

 

[Shuma]

They've always been the main enemy... that's why Mother Brain and Ridley where the end game bossess, the only diference is that with a 3d world and engine they can be made better.

@Johnknight:

Really? so i gues having Venom appear for around 15 minuts and then dying was good. I own all Halo games and have beated all of them a thousand times, Halo 1 is the best,, you base your opinions on shiny graphics.

And guess what, i have played Super MEtroid since i was 4 years old, and i've beated ALL the metroid games a million times, And you keep putting words in my mouth, you clearly aren't even reading my posts, i never sayd it Prime shouldn't be repped you idiot, i sayd it doesn't NEED to be repped.

 

[Shuma]

Also.

I think MP3 is the best.

Exactly, that's your opinion, YOUR opinion, when the whole world dissagrees, it means you're wrong.

 

[Xenesis]

And guess what, i have played Super MEtroid since i was 4 years old, and i've beated ALL the metroid games a million times, And you keep putting words in my mouth, you clearly aren't even reading my posts, i never sayd it Prime shouldn't be repped you idiot, i sayd it doesn't NEED to be repped.

So what? I first played Metroid (NES) when I was like four.

So, I guess Super Mario Sunshine didn't need to be represented either. Or hey, why represent Twilight Princess? They've got heaps of stuff in Lttp to use!

SSBM represented the most obscure and irrelevant games and characters in Nintendo's history, through trophies, music or stages.

Why is it such a stretch that one of Nintendo's current series in the spotlight get some recognition?

 

[Johnknight1]

They've always been the main enemy... that's why Mother Brain and Ridley where the end game bossess, the only diference is that with a 3d world and engine they can be made better.

@Johnknight:

Really? so i gues having Venom appear for around 15 minuts and then dying was good. I own all Halo games and have beated all of them a thousand times, Halo 1 is the best,, you base your opinions on shiny graphics.

And guess what, i have played Super MEtroid since i was 4 years old, and i've beated ALL the metroid games a million times, And you keep putting words in my mouth, you clearly aren't even reading my posts, i never sayd it Prime shouldn't be repped you idiot, i sayd it doesn't NEED to be repped.

Well maybe if Spiderman didn't spend 1 1/2 hours getting his powers, didn't have only 8 minutes of fighting, and 2 actually had a plot, it would be better then Spiderman 3. And it's all about Sandman anyways. And look at my past posts. Show me where I give a d*** about graphics. Show me. Hell, I said Brawl should have a option to have SNES graphics to end lag for online play. I don't give a f*** ABOUT GRAPHICS! GRAPHICS ARE FOR N00BS! Seriously, the best graphics are the ones out the windwo=my motto. They're nice to have (good graphics) but aren't really needed.

And Halo 3 has better guns, maps, weapons, vehicles, and modes. Halo 1 was't even that great, to be honest. Halo 1 barely even sold 4 million units. Halo 3 sold 2 million plus units on opening day. You seem to be a minority, AGAIN!

So, I've played SMB3 since I was 2, and I've played the game over 1,000 hours (at least). The point is you guys went off topic, saying MP isn't that good, when someone wanted some MP reconiztion. It needs reppage, end of story.

And Shuma, STFU! Seriously, stop degrading people's opionions. We can like MP3 the best, you can like Super Metroid the best. Metroid Prime 3 will outsell it, and you'll be the minority again.

Fanboys=n00bs.

 

[Shuma]

That was a response to Johnknight's post...

And there's a diference, Sunshine and TP are liked in Japan. Prime isn't.

I NEVER SAYD IT SHOULDN'T GET REPRESENTATION!. I sayd that it doesn't NEED rep, since you guys look like you'll try to kill Sakurai if Prime doesn't get Rep, but you know what.... i have better stuff to do than keep arguing in a thread based on mere opionons and not facts.

Edit:

Darn it. John you're an idiot, get your facts straight that a game sells better than it's thousand years old counterpart, doesn't make it better, you know what, back in the day Videogame consoles wheren't that popular, hence why it's OBVIOUS that prime 3 would have outsold Super Metroid, dear god use common sense!.

And i never sayd Prime wasn't a good game i sayd Super Metroid is better and that's fact, not just my opinion.

God damm it, SW episode III outsold the first movie, does that make it better? No, it doesn't do you understand that now? You're an idiot if you think otherwise.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Again, selling has nothing to do if it's better or not

 

[Emblem Lord]

I would say that Metroid Prime and Super Metroid are on par more or less. The other Metroid games fall short of them.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

In reality, nobody truly gives a ****

 

[GreenKirby]

You're not seeing the point, the Rep is for the whole Franchise(metroid) so there's no point in giving Rep for Prime since Super Metroid is loved worldwide.

If that was the case, there would be no Bongo references for DK, since the Bongos basically failed.

 

[GenG]

Why people say there is no MP content in Brawl? Zero Mission tried to retcon Metroid Prime into the timeline, and the final powered suit (which is the one used in Brawl, not de Super Metroid one) is a simpler redesign of the Prime suit.

Norfair is from Zero Mission too.

We haven't seen all the trophies, music and stages. Is too soon to say that they ruined Metroid.

 

[Red_Maniac]

If you look closely, the Morph Ball design in Prime is in Brawl.

That's pretty much all we know for now.

While Super Metroid was awesome, they can't COMPLETELY ignore Prime.

Guess we just have to wait...

 

[Darkurai]

Actually, from what I is seen all the characters seem to sport the most recent appearance.

FLUDD is in Mario Galaxy?
Din's Fire and Farore's Wind are in Twilight Princess?
And please explain why Diddy Kong's special moves are from a game that came out, what, ten years ago?

 

[Red_Maniac]

I think he means appearence, not moves...

 

[Darkurai]

I think he means appearence, not moves...

Samus' power suit is identical to the one in Corruption.

 

[Red_Maniac]

Yeah, except it's not.

 

[Darkurai]

Yeah, except it's not.

Elaborate.

 

[TheManaLord]

Super Metroid is widely regarded as the worst game ever and the Prime series the best games ever.

Samus should've been like Corruption Samus.

 

[Red_Maniac]

The helmet, the visor in Prime is easier to see through while the Brawl one looks more... shinier and green and has a different design, the barrel of the arm cannon is much wider in Corruption, the shoulders are slightly different, along with those green lights on her chest, and her feet and legs.

And there's also the bombs, and the charge shot, which is nothing like those in Corruption. Also, her grapple beam comes from her arm cannon in Brawl, while in Prime, it is on her left hand.

That's pretty much all I saw. I'm not sure which I like better. The more realistic Prime one or the shinier and sci-fi-er Brawl/Zero Mission one...

THe Prime one should be an alt costume IMO

 

[RWB]

He decided to add some characters with new stuff and some with old...

Adding all old would be bad, but all new is just as bad...

Not all the characters need their latest appearances.

This seem to be Sakurais reasoning too. While Link is in his latest design(TP), Ike is using his older one.

 

[~N9NE~]

Which makes her suit look like something she bought from a junk shop

Show me where this junk shop is please.

 

[Shuma]

From what i've seen the Morph ball is still the 2d games design. And the design everything is from the Zero mission game.

And.

If that was the case, there would be no Bongo references for DK, since the Bongos basically failed.

In Japan?

 

[SiD]

Shuma, quit claiming your opinion as a fact, you're being a jacksas.

 

[Deleted member]

*coughZeroSuitcough*

 

[blerb]

guess what you're going to have to do? suck it up. Sora isn't going to change her just because a few people want her to be more 'new' school.

also, stop referring to Sakurai as if he does everything about the game. he has people to come up with movesets/graphics/stages/ everything. the few things he does is decide on characters, and maybe something else he has talent in. (possibly something like texturing, or modelling, I have no idea what he did before-hand)

 

[GreenKirby]

In Japan?

Yes, in Japan as well. Or at least, they weren't a hit as the non-bongo DK games in Japan. I think even DK 64 was more well received other there.

 

[Shuma]

@Sid:

WTF are you talking about? The Design of the suit IS the design of Zero Mission.

@Greenkirby:

Yes, but i mean, do they literally hate the DK bongos over there? 'cause there's a fine line between a game not being good and being "hated". Japan dislikes FPS games, and they dislike the Prime series.

 

[XSilvenX]

Hey topic creator..Samus Main here... I just wanted to say...Ummm stfu. Thank you and have a nice day. Samus looks fine.

 

[GreenKirby]

@Sid:

WTF are you talking about? The Design of the suit IS the design of Zero Mission.

@Greenkirby:

Yes, but i mean, do they literally hate the DK bongos over there? 'cause there's a fine line between a game not being good and being "hated". Japan dislikes FPS games, and they dislike the Prime series.

And after the first Konga game, Konga 2 and 3 bombed. Jungle Beat did no better either.

 

[kin3tic-c4jun-3]

Or at least anyone who liked or was introduced to the series from the Prime games. Samus is nothing more than a upgraded version of her character from Melee. Which makes her suit look like something she bought from a junk shop, her Morph Ball attack still does that 'bloop" sound and little discs fly out and explode, her missiles are still slow moving heat seeking missiles and her Morph Ball probably still looks like a metal volleyball. In fact, the only song they have from a Metroid game happens to be a version from Metroid Fushion and the only stage they have is a stage from Super Metroid, saw that coming. Are they ever going to get it right, or do they not even care about the Prime games?

I'm sorry, but you're an idiot.

Suit from a junk shop? You have no reasoning for this, so I'll assume you think it looks like it's from a junk shop based on the sole fact that it's not from Prime - however the Varia Suit IS from Prime, moron.

The 'bloop' noise is classic, and also a good warning indication that a bomb has been placed - in Prime, the actual laying of the bomb is ambiguous. These bombs along with the missiles and a few other things are from the classic Super Metroid, which is the BEST Metroid, so stfu.

That song is not from only from Fusion - it's a song that has been in nearly all of them, and represents the series very well - where the **** is your reasoning coming from??

Who's to say there won't be more levels, or more characters like Dark Samus? I'm doing you a favor by responding to this poorly thought out post.

Bottom line - Super Metroid is the best metroid, and if they're going to represent Metroid, it should be from Super Metroid. Anything else is not a faithful/proper/distinct representation, as Super Metroid SET the Metroid formula in the best way.

Die.

 

[Red_Maniac]

...what? So EVERYTHING should be from Super Metroid and they should COMPLETELY ignore Prime?

That's stupid.

I mean, Super Metroid was great, but Prime is an important part of the Metroid series. Not adding a stage, ATs, possibly an alt. costume, items music or even COLLECTIBLE trophies that represent Prime would be good.

I don't care if the majority of Metroid elements are from Super Metroid... they just have to also contain elements from Prime to represent Metroid AS A WHOLE, not just ONE GAME.

 

[SiD]

@Sid:

WTF are you talking about? The Design of the suit IS the design of Zero Mission.

@Greenkirby:

Yes, but i mean, do they literally hate the DK bongos over there? 'cause there's a fine line between a game not being good and being "hated". Japan dislikes FPS games, and they dislike the Prime series.

That's not what I was talking about.

Exactly, that's your opinion, YOUR opinion, when the whole world dissagrees, it means you're wrong.

And i never sayd Prime wasn't a good game i sayd Super Metroid is better and that's fact, not just my opinion.

See? Do you see the jacksassery?