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They ruined Samus.

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adumbrodeus

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I'm sorry, but you're an idiot.

Suit from a junk shop? You have no reasoning for this, so I'll assume you think it looks like it's from a junk shop based on the sole fact that it's not from Prime - however the Varia Suit IS from Prime, moron.

The 'bloop' noise is classic, and also a good warning indication that a bomb has been placed - in Prime, the actual laying of the bomb is ambiguous. These bombs along with the missiles and a few other things are from the classic Super Metroid, which is the BEST Metroid, so stfu.

That song is not from only from Fusion - it's a song that has been in nearly all of them, and represents the series very well - where the **** is your reasoning coming from??

Who's to say there won't be more levels, or more characters like Dark Samus? I'm doing you a favor by responding to this poorly thought out post.

Bottom line - Super Metroid is the best metroid, and if they're going to represent Metroid, it should be from Super Metroid. Anything else is not a faithful/proper/distinct representation, as Super Metroid SET the Metroid formula in the best way.

Die.
Of course it's a classic, but still, there should be some prime representation because Prime is still a part (and a reasonably important part) or the series.

That said, I'm fine with it the majoritarian interest being Super Metriod, because let's face it, Super Metroid was a much better game, they shouldn't switch everything just because a new came out (*cough cough* Link *cough cough*), instead the majoritarian interest should ALWAYS be the best games of the series, yet since the characters are representative of all their games, it doesn't make sense to not include some reference to older games.
 

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Well... Super Metroid IS the best Metroid game there is, and it's the best 2d side scroller adventure game, and it has been stated by numerous Gaming Magazines and sites. So it's not just "my" opinion.
 

ndm508

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This thread is absolutley ridiculous. From what I've seen anyone who actually made sense has gone completely ignored here.

Let me make it clear, I'm not taking a side for Super or Prime because I'm a god **** Metroid fan period.

Super Metroid in my personal opinion will forever be my favorite of the series, it set the stage for everything that was to come, and I love it way better then Prime. That said, I will be surprised if Prime gets no representation. And yes, it deserves it.

I don't know where the hell the rest of you Metroid fanboys were back when Prime came out, but I was pretty much ready to crap my pants. Why? Because we hadn't seen Samus in ten freaking years. I was weirded by the first person thing, but Miyamoto himself, the god of all things Nintendo, made Retro change the game from third-person to first-person. And really, I don't know how else you could play a 3D metroid. I think they made the right decison, those games were amazing. Besides, last I checked, the first Prime game had a ton of stuff from Super Metroid, the series went off and did its own thing, but it didn't forget what made Metroid amazing.

But, that's just my opinion. And I don't know who said sales don't matter, but whoever did, you're an idiot. I don't like to insult, but you're an idiot. As far as us gamers are concerned, it doesn't effect our opinions on gameplay. But if Prime did bad then it wouldn't have gotten a full-fledged series. It's because of Prime that Samus is finally getting attention again. And sales kinda tells Nintendo what the fans like. So enough with this "I think this is better, therefore it will happen my way" crap.

And as for ruining Samus? That's just stupid. From what I've seen she looks like a mesh of old and new. Her armor resembles her Melee suit but it has the same subtle differences from the Prime series. Her moveset looks the same, and who cares if her bombs aren't electrical? She plays like she always had, and if you're a Samus-user. That's not a bad thing, you can't ruin what works fine to begin with.

And for anyone referencing zero suit as a sign that Prime won't get representation, maybe you guys didn't play Prime 2 or 3, but Zero suit is in there, looking practically identical to her Smash counter-part.

So yeah, Norfair is from the older games, whatever, amazing games all around. Just looks like a new twist on the rising acid thing from the last two games. I'm sure Prime will get its fair due. a level or an assist or something. She already has the updated color scheme from the games and Zero Suit (which is from Zero Mission and the Prime games)

...and Dark Samus should be an alternate costume. Yeah I want her in the game, but I would prefer alternate costumes to clones, just one guys opinion.

oh, and Ridley for Brawl :D
 

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No one ever sayd Sales didn't matter, I sayd that Sales doesn't make a good game. Wich is true. If Metroid Pinball had sold better than Super Metroid, does that make it better? i doubt it.

And if you where a hardcore Metroid fan you would know Dark Samus CAN'T be a Samus Alt. Costume.
 

ndm508

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Dark Samus would make a fine alternate costume. She can still do plenty of Phazon based attacks. IF I can imagine it I'm sure the brilliant minds behind Smash could too.

And I never said sales make a game better. I said that you can't just toss them aside. I never argued what was the better game, Super is my favorite. I'm saying sales make a **** difference. If Prime didn't do well, then there wouldn't be a goofy Pinball spin-off.

Besides, from what I gather, everyone hates you. So be quiet.
 

Shuma

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Now now, don't get angry silly. First than all, Dark Samus can't use a Screw Attack, or use bombs, or missiles or the charge beam, or the grapple beam, and there certainly is not a Zero Suit Dark Samus.

So how can he be an Alt. Costume?

You just sayd what i sayd about the Sales in this thread, again.

And from what i gather, you're a noob.
 

ndm508

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a noob at what? talking crap online? What the hell do I care? I'm sure as hell not a noob at the game series. That's why I'm on this forum, to talk about this game, nothing else. and buddy I will gladly throw down with ya once this baby gets online. Should prove to be one hell of a good time.

And my apologies for the outburst, this whole thread is just a giant argument when it boils down to it.

As for Dark Samus we don't exactly know what she can and can't do. So maybe she can do a screw attack. And as for missles, easily replaced with blue light and call it Phazon. In all honesty though I wouldn't expect her own moveset. Because she's just a skin-swap away from the original Samus,it woudln't surprise me if that's all they did with her. I wouldn't mind if she was playable but without her own animations and moveset. Wouldn't fit with the character, and they probably would just remove that tranformation from her final smash. But if that's all they did with her, I wouldn't mind at all. If they gave her a moveset and her own animations, I would be totally down with that too. Either way I would just be really happy if we could play her in some form.

But this thread isn't about Dark Samus so I'll shutup about that.
 

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Well... Super Metroid IS the best Metroid game there is, and it's the best 2d side scroller adventure game, and it has been stated by numerous Gaming Magazines and sites. So it's not just "my" opinion.
So what if gaming magazines agree with you? That doesn't make it a fact, nor does it make it a majority opinion. It just means some magazines share the same opinion.
 

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How is that not the best Samus you've ever seen...
 

ndm508

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Silven that lanky little ******* in that video you got going is creeping me the hell out.

...its like he's a human twig...
 

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man, while super metroid is THE metroid, the prime series is amazing. As far as the series overall is concerned, the prime games did a real good job bringing the feel up to date. I am a bit disappointed with the lack of prime stuff in brawl. Samus's suit looks like it took bits and pieces from prime and merged them with the old samus instead of taking the prime suit as is.
 

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man, while super metroid is THE metroid, the prime series is amazing. As far as the series overall is concerned, the prime games did a real good job bringing the feel up to date. I am a bit disappointed with the lack of prime stuff in brawl. Samus's suit looks like it took bits and pieces from prime and merged them with the old samus instead of taking the prime suit as is.
Exactly, which is the best way they could have done it
 

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O.... k... i'll restrain myself from flaming, so i'll just leave this thread.
 

Rarzy

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definitely i agree with that. i really would like to see prime is some representation in brawl, whether it be a cool stage, ridley with some meta-ridley look, maybe dark samus in there somewhere? i do really like samus's image up there though.
 

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Guys, there's but one problem with representing Prime in Brawl. THE PRIME SERIES DON'T DO WELL IN JAPAN. They don't like it. Which is why they're trying to go Super Metroid as much as they can.

I for one prefer Super Metroid to the Prime games, I love Samus' model in Brawl, the Super Missiles detail is delicious imo and Brawl is looking fantastic. I wouldn't mind Prime stuff in Brawl but I don't really care. I love it the way it is.

At least this time we got Norfair instead of Brinstar. It's still Super Metroid, but it's different. :p

AND TO ALL OF YOU GUYS WHO HAVEN'T PLAYED SUPER METROID, DO IT! WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU WAITING FOR?
 

ndm508

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it does fine in japan, look at the sales. its no where near as good as it does here, but it does fine. and japan doesn't get the final say on anything anyways. he's got a whole world to appease. that and look at that huge *** japan fan site everyone keeps refering to, dark samus shows up in there. so japan does show some love for prime. i dont see why everyone's getting so cranky its not like you cant have elements from both prime and super in the game. its not like they dont reference multiple games in a series, look how many mario levels are in the last game.
 

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So what if gaming magazines agree with you? That doesn't make it a fact, nor does it make it a majority opinion. It just means some magazines share the same opinion.
true..

Honestly I've never played either... I've, sadly, never owned a super, and FPS games aren't my cup of tea.

Here's the thing though... they are COMPLETELY different. They've used the orange samus for every SSB so it's only consistent to use that same colour.

Who is to say that her new alt outfits don't give some sort of a prime nod
 

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I would agree Super Metroid is the best Metroid game, HOWEVER, I do not agree the Prime series should be so blatantly ignored. I dunno about "ruining Samus" but I do think Prime should be represented somehow, even music, (magmoor caverns song plzzz) or stage or something.
 

ndm508

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yeah its not like every single game smash brothers represents is all that recognizable. it'd be silly if something from prime wasn't in there.
 
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