They ruined Samus.

[kaid]

edit: repost unneeded

 

[kaid]

But "reserching" the "better" 2D games instead of "wasting" time on the american-made Prime games is quite possible.

It's the same snobish aditude that makes the 360 such a flop in Japan

 

[Xenesis]

Actually, the 360 is a flop in Japan because there's not many games that appeal to Japanese audiences.

Didn't you see the sales of the 360 spike when Blue Dragon (a JRPG style game) came out?

 

[burrito]

But "reserching" the "better" 2D games instead of "wasting" time on the american-made Prime games is quite possible.

It's the same snobish aditude that makes the 360 such a flop in Japan

Yeah, I see what you're saying. It's possible I suppose, but Sakurai seems to be pretty serious about have a wide repetoire of Nintendo games to take things from.

 

[kaid]

...that's exactly my point. Metroid Prime is NOT a good game by Japaneese standards. Why "waste" time researching them? (@ Xen)

 

[Shuma]

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

He decided to add some characters with new stuff and some with old...

Adding all old would be bad, but all new is just as bad...

Not all the characters need their latest appearances.

 

[Xenesis]

...that's exactly my point. Metroid Prime is NOT a good game by Japaneese standards. Why "waste" time researching them? (@ Xen)

Because it's a good game by European and American standards.

 

[burrito]

@Shuma:..... ummm... thanks... for.. that.... Do you have a point?

He decided to add some characters with new stuff and some with old...

Adding all old would be bad, but all new is just as bad...

Not all the characters need their latest appearances.

No, all characters should have some old and some new, it is important to acknowledge the new or else it is a step backwards.

 

[kaid]

I'm just pointing out that Japaneese look at Metroid Prime the same way Americans look at Tingle's Rose Covered Rupee Land.

 

[Shuma]

My point is that the Prime Series don't need Rep, it should get rep wich is diferent, and the only possible rep i can see for the Prime series is a stage and Dark Samus.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Well, in Metroids case I do think they are right...

 

[kaid]

...Why do I always make the last post of the page...

 

[Xenesis]

My point is that the Prime Series don't need Rep, it should get rep wich is diferent, and the only possible rep i can see for the Prime series is a stage and Dark Samus.

Thank you for repeating your opinion for us that didn't hear it the last four times. Do you have anything to add apart from 'Metroid Prime doesn't need representation'?

I'm just pointing out that Japaneese look at Metroid Prime the same way Americans look at Tingle's Rose Covered Rupee Land.

Yet, it's getting a release in Europe.

Just because the Japanese can have the appearance of being Xenophobic, doesn't mean that everyone is.

 

[dtp882]

Opinion has nothing to do with it, but the sheer ignorance in and apathy for a series that has existed for five years and has had five installments.

You're whole post is about your OPINION.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Thank you for repeating your opinion for us that didn't hear it the last four times. Do you have anything to add apart from 'Metroid Prime doesn't need representation'?

Yet, it's getting a release in Europe.

Just because the Japanese can have the appearance of being Xenophobic, doesn't mean that everyone is.

Not every step forward is in the right direction, look at Sonic's transition into 3D...

Sure people like it...People that like 1st person shooters at least...

But I think they could have done it better and have had it closer to actually being Metroid

 

[Shuma]

Thank you for repeating your opinion for us that didn't hear it the last four times. Do you have anything to add apart from 'Metroid Prime doesn't need representation'?

No, unless you have something to counter my point.

 

[Endless Nightmares]

Samus hasn't changed? That's actually GOOD news.

I loved Samus in Melee.

 

[Xenesis]

Not every step forward is in the right direction, look at Sonic's transition into 3D...

Sure people like it...People that like 1st person shooters at least...

But I think they could have done it better and have had it closer to actually being Metroid

Actually, I will freely admit I'm not a huge fan of FPS games. They're fun occasionally but I'm horrible at them and don't have the right mindset to play them well.

Yet, I have no problems with an Action-Adventure game in first person. Or an RPG or whatever.

First person is just a perspective. Think of games like Deus Ex. They heavily borrow a lot of FPS elements but they're a mix of genres and styles. Metroid Prime is similar in very many ways.

 

[kaid]

Tell me, do you think Tingle should be in Brawl?

He's appeared in more Zelda games than any other non-triforce user, and even has his own spinoff now.

 

[Johnknight1]

So why include Earthbound in SSB or SSBM?

Europe never even heard of them ever before those.

It's one of the most popular games via ROM. And none of us ever heard of these two Fire Emblem characters (Marth and Roy) in Melee, and none of us have played Lucas' game. So Ness wasn't that bad of a add, since EarthBound came to America AND JAPAN (it actually went to Japan twice). And it had a cult following fanbase.

Point is, Sakurai needs to rep a REAL western series, to even out the Japanese gaming with the Western. Metroid Prime rep, various Western games = Fire Emblem (Japan only rep), Mother 3 representation, various Japanese only games.

I don't give a f*** about this smash root stuff. Every part of a series should be repped: New, Somewat New/Old, and Old/Classic. Seriously, WE HAVE A SUPER MARIO SUNSHINE STAGE! That's the newest console cannon Mario game out (until Galaxy). We even have the newest cannon handheld Mario game/cannon Mario game, period in NEW Super Mario Bros. as amusic option. And their staff must have played MP, becuase TWO OF THEIR MUSICIANS WORKED ON THE SERIES! If they are willing to ignore the West, and care about 5% of the smash fanbase, on some island over the rest of the world, why should I even bother bying the god d*** game=???

Might as well be a JAPAN ONLY GAME. If they're willing to ignore us 95% majority Westerners (NA, SA, Europe, and Australia), then Nintendo is failing with thier biggest and most important Wii game. They need to rep all eras, no excuses. Therefore, I don't give a f*** wat Japanese standards are, seeing as how they wouldn't know a good game if it slapped them in the d*** balls. *points at the WHOLE Metroid series, the Primes, DKC, and Twilight Princess*

And Psycho, Metroid Prime 3 > Super Metroid. The Metroid Primes pwn n00bs to new levels, and are one of the most critically aclaimed series in gaming (if MP was it's own series). Not repping it would be retarted. And who gives a f*** about it being closer to Metroid. OOT did not do the same Zelda crap. Things need to change, and MP stepped the series up into new levels, and made it better. Again, Japan sucks at knowing good games if it slapped them in the balls.

And character rep isn't all that I'm saying. Dark Samus isn't even needed. I mean stages, items, Assist trophies, etc. That type of stuff as well. IF Sakurai ignores it, why the f*** should he even bother mentioning a barely important series next to it, like Star Fox ( the MP have outsold it), Fire Emblem, Kirby, etc. Metroid Prime needs some rep. IF Sakurai doesn't at least acknowledge Metroid Prime, then he is a failure as a fan pleaser, and will prove he hardly gives a d*** about the West (again...*points at Samurai Goroh*).

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Tell me, do you think Tingle should be in Brawl?

He's appeared in more Zelda games than any other non-triforce user, and even has his own spinoff now.

No he shouldn't because he, himself, has had no real importance in any game he's been in..

Impa has been in more games...should she be in Smash?


And no...No Metroid Prime will ever be better than Super...that's JUST your opinion...Stop trying to correct MY opinion on the matter with YOUR opinion

 

[Shuma]

And Psycho, Metroid Prime 3 > Super Metroid.

When your opinion is on the minority side, it's considered false, you do know that right?

 

[Xenesis]

Tell me, do you think Tingle should be in Brawl?

He's appeared in more Zelda games than any other non-triforce user, and even has his own spinoff now.

Eh, I wouldn't care either way. He has representation in Brawl, regardless. He's got a trophy and I wouldn't be surprised if he showed up as an assist.

As a character though? You'd have to argue the importance of Tingle to the Zelda series - He's like the Waluigi of the Zelda Series. He probably wouldn't be out of place as a playable character.

No, unless you have something to counter my point.

Your point being that Dark Samus being the ONLY thing of importance in the entire Prime Series? :/

Space Pirates.
Ing/Luminoth
Hunters

Pwnt.

 

[kaid]

No he shouldn't because he, himself, has had no real importance in any game he's been in..

So how is Samus having shiny armor of "real importance" to the series?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

So how is Samus having shiny armor of "real importance" to the series?

It isn't, but what does that have to do with anything?

That was just an aesthetic upgrade

 

[zKillah]

The prime series represents the first update to the series in nearly a decade. As the first two smashes were developed before 2001, the devs had to draw chiefly from Super Metroid. With the update to series, there is a wealth of information from which the devs can draw.

It is their job as professional game developers, not fans, to at least consider this source. Whether or not they deceide to use it is their decision, but to remain ignorant of Prime is faulty game design.

Because much of the Metroid series overlaps with subtle changes (weapons, aesthetic, etc) there aren't going to be any drastic changes to Samus. But other aspects like stages and music should draw upon these untapped resources. Do we really need a brand new lava-based Metroid level?

Smash is supposed to represent the comprehensive history of Nintendo. It should not be solely based on the most recent incarnation or benchmark titles. It should be a blend of both.

 

[SiD]

When your opinion is on the minority side, it's considered false, you do know that right?

That's an assanine thing to say.

Psycho, you're being so opinionated it's making me cringe.

This topic is stupid though.

Adios.

 

[Shuma]

Your point being that Dark Samus being the ONLY thing of importance in the entire Prime Series? :/

Space Pirates.
Ing/Luminoth
Hunters

Pwnt.

Space Pirates have been in every single Metroid game except II, you know that right?

Chozo>Luminoth/Ing

Hunters? don't make me laught, the closer thing they could be are assist trophies, they're not popular expect Weavel and Sylux, and Ridley>Dark Samus>Sylux>Weavel they're pretty low on the priority list.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

That's an assanine thing to say.

Psycho, you're being so opinionated it's making me cringe.

This topic is stupid though.

Adios.

This topic is nothing but opinions

 

[SiD]

This topic is nothing but opinions

Yes I'm aware of that, but you started off saying things as if they were an indisputable fact, just because you don't like the Prime series. And I didn't like reading that.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Yes I'm aware of that, but you started off saying things as if they were an indisputable fact, just because you don't like the Prime series. And I didn't like reading that.

I was assuming people could tell it was representing a majority opinion, as well as my opinion

 

[Shuma]

It's not just that, the point is that Japan doesn't like the Prime series, i personally like them.

 

[SiD]

I was assuming people could tell it was representing a majority opinion, as well as my opinion

See, you're assuming you represent the majority. You don't know that.

Not to mention, saying "No prime game will ever be better than Super Metroid. Ever." How is that supposed to be taken as a simple opinion?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

See, you're assuming you represent the majority. You don't know that.

Not to mention, saying "No prime game will ever be better than Super Metroid. Ever." How is that supposed to be taken as a simple opinion?

The majority opinion is that Super is better than any prime game..

I corrected myself after your example there by saying it was my opinion and I really dislike Metroid as a FPS game...which I feel it's more like that a FP hybrid

 

[Johnknight1]

When your opinion is on the minority side, it's considered false, you do know that right?

Metroid Prime 3:

1UP 9/10
Game Informer 9.5/10
GamePro 4.25/5
GameSpy 4.5/5
GameTrailers 9.6/10
IGN 9.5/10
GameSpot 8.5/10
Nintendo Power 10/10
X-Play 4/5

^ Those are some d*** good ratings. If Sakurai refuses to reconize Metroid Prime in some way, he is a failure. FAILURE!

And Shuma, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_selling_game

Super Metroid has sold 100,000 less units then the original Metroid Prime. True facts. And the Super Nintendo outsells the GCN 3 to 1. And it's been out like 12 years longer. FAILURE!

Seriously, smash needs to feature the Metroid Primes. Maybe not through characters, but at least STAGES, ITEMS, etc.!

And MEtrod Prime 3 was the 5th best seling game of the month of August. Then again, it came out Augst 27th, meaning it was out 4 days in August. More proof that Metroid Prime is still poppular. If it sells good, it should be repped.

And if you hate FPS, that's your own d*** opinion. Stop being overly baised.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Metroid Prime 3:

1UP 9/10
Game Informer 9.5/10
GamePro 4.25/5
GameSpy 4.5/5
GameTrailers 9.6/10
IGN 9.5/10
GameSpot 8.5/10
Nintendo Power 10/10
X-Play 4/5

^ Those are some d*** good ratings. If Sakurai refuses to reconize Metroid Prime in some way, he is a failure. FAILURE!

And Shuma, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Best_selling_game

Super Metroid has sold 100,000 less units then the original Metroid Prime. True facts. And the Super Nintendo outsells the GCN 3 to 1. And it's been out like 12 years longer. FAILURE!

Seriously, smash needs to feature the Metroid Primes. Maybe not through characters, but at least STAGES, ITEMS, etc.!

And MEtrod Prime 3 was the 5th best seling game of the month of August. Then again, it came out Augst 27th, meaning it was out 4 days in August. More proof that Metroid Prime is still poppular. If it sells good, it should be repped.

Selling better doesn't mean it IS better, look at the Matrix sequels...

 

[Shuma]

So... uhhh what? I don't see Metroid Prime in the top 5 games in history. And quote me, when did i sayd somethign about the Prime games being bad or anything, when did i say i didn't like them?

You're putting words in my mouth.

 

[SiD]

Selling better doesn't mean it IS better, look at the Matrix sequels...

This is true, but you are still only assuming that the majority like Super better, you seem to think it is fact, but I am inclined to believe you have no basis for that.

 

[Johnknight1]

YES IT DOES! The systemSuper Metroid was on sold 60 million system units, while the system MEtroid Prime was on sold 23 million units, and Metroid Prime still outsold. YOU LOSE!

And Shuma, Game Rakings ranked it the 3rd highest game this century (MP1), IGN called it the best game ever to appear on the GCN (MP1), and the Metroid Primes won many other awards. Plus when it comes down to the first of the genre vs. added revolution to a genre, which wins=??? Consider that. You guys aren't the majority, your a minority.