WedginatorX
Smash Champion
He's not going to pound five.
And don't throw away your money, Grandpa K$0jin
And don't throw away your money, Grandpa K$0jin
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The Winning Steak Cinemas: Video Archive & Criticism Thread Updated
- Thread starter Trent
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JayBee
Smash Champion
lolowuwgranpa?
Browny
Smash Hater
So I got some new sonic vids...
Dan (Sonic) vs W150 (Olimar/Kirby)
Only 2. This guy is getting back into brawl after a long break so he doesnt know some of the new tricks like whistle cancelling everything before anyone points that out lol.
Dan (Sonic) vs W150 (Olimar/Kirby)
Only 2. This guy is getting back into brawl after a long break so he doesnt know some of the new tricks like whistle cancelling everything before anyone points that out lol.
NH Cody
Smash Champion
I'll take a whack at it...
I swear, you play almost exactly like I do, and you make some of the same mistakes I do (so I know how hard it is to avoid doing these things). Examples include:
1. lots of spinshot to bair, even when you land in front of your opponent, so he should have shieldgrabbed you a lot more than he did
2. using dthrow when uthrow or some other throw would work better, like at one point he was at 0% and you dthrew him when I think uthrow > utilt/uair/whatever would have done more damage
3. lots of approaching with the same stuff (mix it up with dash attack, dashgrab or maybe punish him airdodging into the ground with a pivot grab? something different like that...)
4. ...I don't want to offend, but a lot of times you would repeat certain obvious gimmicks like reverse VSDJ > bair, I would say less of that since it staled the bair and it got predictable.
5. a lot of approaching with ASC/ASC cancel shieldgrab, sometimes you would asc cancel shieldgrab and he wouldn't even be in front of you lol >_< (I've been working on this myself, along with 1 and 4)
basically just watch that you're not letting yourself get into patterns, and use SDC more to confuse your opponent and make them think you're going to SDR, then dashgrab/short hop spaced fair or do something random afterwards lol
hope this helps
I swear, you play almost exactly like I do, and you make some of the same mistakes I do (so I know how hard it is to avoid doing these things). Examples include:
1. lots of spinshot to bair, even when you land in front of your opponent, so he should have shieldgrabbed you a lot more than he did
2. using dthrow when uthrow or some other throw would work better, like at one point he was at 0% and you dthrew him when I think uthrow > utilt/uair/whatever would have done more damage
3. lots of approaching with the same stuff (mix it up with dash attack, dashgrab or maybe punish him airdodging into the ground with a pivot grab? something different like that...)
4. ...I don't want to offend, but a lot of times you would repeat certain obvious gimmicks like reverse VSDJ > bair, I would say less of that since it staled the bair and it got predictable.
5. a lot of approaching with ASC/ASC cancel shieldgrab, sometimes you would asc cancel shieldgrab and he wouldn't even be in front of you lol >_< (I've been working on this myself, along with 1 and 4)
basically just watch that you're not letting yourself get into patterns, and use SDC more to confuse your opponent and make them think you're going to SDR, then dashgrab/short hop spaced fair or do something random afterwards lol
hope this helps
Bio(Sonic) V Tesh(Fox) 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzjVRmG7ZzM
Bio(Sonic) V Tesh(Fox) 1.5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERnkehPXSMg
Bio(Sonic) V Tesh(Fox) 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jKlltA49BU
Bio(Sonic) V Tesh(Ganondorf) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9WQI7M0ExM
Bio(Sonic) V Tesh(Ganondorf) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRsqOu04x-Q
Bio(Sonic) V Tesh(Sonic) 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4PUBOlLrHA
Bio(Sonic) V Tesh(Sonic) 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRnGgf0mSD8
Bio(Sonic) V Tesh(Sonic) 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbGG7JTyWyU
Critique please. I'll post mine later.
Bio(Sonic) V Tesh(Fox) 1.5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERnkehPXSMg
Bio(Sonic) V Tesh(Fox) 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_jKlltA49BU
Bio(Sonic) V Tesh(Ganondorf) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9WQI7M0ExM
Bio(Sonic) V Tesh(Ganondorf) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sRsqOu04x-Q
Bio(Sonic) V Tesh(Sonic) 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4PUBOlLrHA
Bio(Sonic) V Tesh(Sonic) 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRnGgf0mSD8
Bio(Sonic) V Tesh(Sonic) 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VbGG7JTyWyU
Critique please. I'll post mine later.
Exceladon City
Smash Hero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxZeiqLeEdc&feature=sub
There's only 1 match of me vs Hilt's Olimar with Sonic.
I'm much more patient in tournament matches btw.
There's only 1 match of me vs Hilt's Olimar with Sonic.
I'm much more patient in tournament matches btw.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
"i play differently in tourney" is a john that needs to be eliminated.
If youre not playing the same way you would in tourney, its really not good practice for you, and you wont get any better.
i time sans jigglypuff out in friendlies. Cause we play to win, because thats how we get better.
If youre not playing the same way you would in tourney, its really not good practice for you, and you wont get any better.
i time sans jigglypuff out in friendlies. Cause we play to win, because thats how we get better.
Kinzer
Mammy
I **** my controller to break out of grabs in friendlies.
Tesh, later today, I'll take a stab. Assuming Diablo II doesn't get me caught again.
Game is still as good as I remember playing it when I was 12.
Tesh, later today, I'll take a stab. Assuming Diablo II doesn't get me caught again.
Game is still as good as I remember playing it when I was 12.
WedginatorX
Smash Champion
I sandbag in friendlies too if people who I'm mming are watching.
Although excel wasn't mming anyone, so there's no point in it to me.
I'll critique it later. I'm not at home atm
Although excel wasn't mming anyone, so there's no point in it to me.
I'll critique it later. I'm not at home atm
Exceladon City
Smash Hero
I play the passive-aggressive style against Olimar in friendlies. That and I want to improve on that style of play against Olimar so I can switch between passive and passive-aggressive.
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
WedginatorX
Smash Champion
Nike's improving.
And getting really lucky.
And you're trying to spindash back to the ground too much, espy. That's what ****ed me up game 1 vs doom. Don't be asc-ing back to the ground unless you have your second jump <_>
And getting really lucky.
And you're trying to spindash back to the ground too much, espy. That's what ****ed me up game 1 vs doom. Don't be asc-ing back to the ground unless you have your second jump <_>
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
this dude nike, I cant tell if hes a terrible player that does good stuff sometimes or a good player that just has moments of ***********.
like the only reason that match was even close is cause he let him self get killed at 28% off a grab and he fell into a charged f smash. he pretty much spent the rest of the match ****** you.
like the only reason that match was even close is cause he let him self get killed at 28% off a grab and he fell into a charged f smash. he pretty much spent the rest of the match ****** you.
WedginatorX
Smash Champion
^ lol.
This.
This.
NH Cody
Smash Champion
omg I have been telling people this for ages! lol!
Couldn't agree more.
Sandbagging is no excuse for losing.
also I agree with what wedge said, Nike's getting better but also lucky.
plus he gets destroyed by Olimar and you'd figure that should be an easy matchup for marth xD
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m889YZiSaNY&feature=sub#t=01m12s
beware, sonics. the danger of overusing your techskill.
beware, sonics. the danger of overusing your techskill.
WedginatorX
Smash Champion
Espy vs Nike game 4: A Sonic Tech Skill Video by Espy
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Also, espy not sding sword dance for his choice of free uair or fair with proof of purchase. Smh
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Also, espy not sding sword dance for his choice of free uair or fair with proof of purchase. Smh
NH Cody
Smash Champion
nike is asking for critique on those matches in the marth video critique thread, you guys should go help him since you have some ideas I see
Nike.
Smash Hero
Espy's fsmashes have magic in them. A little voice in my head appears and says "run to me".
I cannot refuse.
Oh, and I was getting lucky. I got ***** in hours worth of friendlies. The moment I said "Hey, let's a record a set so that I can ask the marth boards what I'm doing wrong", the smash gods descended upon Espy.
I cannot refuse.
Oh, and I was getting lucky. I got ***** in hours worth of friendlies. The moment I said "Hey, let's a record a set so that I can ask the marth boards what I'm doing wrong", the smash gods descended upon Espy.
WedginatorX
Smash Champion
Espy and I for worst trips.
Life
Smash Hero
How trippy.
Marth is probably my best character other than Sonic (might even be better, I haven't played in a while). These vids will be helpful, I'm sure.
Marth is probably my best character other than Sonic (might even be better, I haven't played in a while). These vids will be helpful, I'm sure.
SSS4 Tesh (Sonic) v Illmatic (Peach) 5$ Money Match
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tk9Bl8_aOY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrfVyWH3Y9E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=336Tjjyd7Ts
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEhsjhP94lM
Tesh v Roy R
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q7AaVM8DRdE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2gXp_OLvAU
Tesh v Trela
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YPDpgpdYD8o
Tesh v Xyro
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg4u2ctyNF0
Doubles
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3CR5rKysCg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_ZpW86gDXM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pN3pxm8_H94
I don't think I need much help in the Marth of Peach matchup. But I'm open to any suggestions.
WedginatorX
Smash Champion
I just think vs marth you were missing a lot of easy punishes and not camping at range with spindash enough. Marth is pretty manageable for a sonic with a good camping game.
just never recover with spindashing to the stage, space bears, camp with spindash and wait for his approach, and just tighten up your punishing and you should be fine.
just never recover with spindashing to the stage, space bears, camp with spindash and wait for his approach, and just tighten up your punishing and you should be fine.
NH Cody
Smash Champion
Like this?
WedginatorX
Smash Champion
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Exceladon City
Smash Hero
vs Spin / Calic
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yshFZq5_Tyo Excel (Sonic) vs Spin (ROB)/Calic (Pikachu)
As you can see, wifi makes it hard for me to powershield offline. SMH.
/ Calic http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yshFZq5_Tyo Excel (Sonic) vs Spin (ROB)/Calic (Pikachu)
As you can see, wifi makes it hard for me to powershield offline. SMH.
JayBee
Smash Champion
these matches was from the Return of Game Haven tourney on 1/08/2011. comments are appreciated. Links to each round of the set are located in the video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEf8VMpVVNsKojin-(Sonic) vs LoL (Jiggs)[1-2]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOftFimte8Y-Kojin (Sonic) vs. 2Fast (Mario) [1-2]
omg espy im sorry i didnt' follow the formula
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uEf8VMpVVNsKojin-(Sonic) vs LoL (Jiggs)[1-2]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOftFimte8Y-Kojin (Sonic) vs. 2Fast (Mario) [1-2]
omg espy im sorry i didnt' follow the formula
da K.I.D.
Smash Hero
this had better be good, Im not watching AZ vs kain and kingtoon to watch these vids...
game 1 vs jpuff.
you pretty much went from doing everything possible wrong, to learning almost everything about the matchup in 1 game. spindash is really bad against puff. you pretty much have to run around and camp for back airs, and only go for spindashes and dash attacks when you know shes going to land. Shield grab will almost never ever work so get good at tilting and aerialing out of shield.
also, spindash clanks with roll out, thats good to know, I actually was not aware of that.
Only thing I would say is, its jigglypuff, you dont need to get greedy and go for big damage, it looked like you were trying the spindash footstool loop. No reason to do that against puff, just aerial. and go back to your hit and run game.
its hard to give you player critique because fighting jigglypuff doesnt really test yoru skills as a player, if you know how to play the matchup, and execute correctly, you win. doesnt really matter how good you are.
lastly, two big things against puff. GR to full jump double jump fair is guaranteed on puff. and if they do anything thats not airdodge, you can grab release, turn around, jump, and double jump a bair. and itll beat whatever she does. and 2, dont be afraid to side b camp, initial invincibility will beat all her moves. just like sonic dittos.
game 2
why are you backthrowing puff offstage? 1. its puff she wants to be in the air anyway, and 2, its not like youre gonna go offstage to chase her anyway, so why? and if you are going to try to hit her offstage, your best bet is to homing attack and try to time the release of it to coincide with her jumping, that will give you the best accuracy.
like I said, puff wants to be in the air, so you might want to work on your down throw game against her. either that or just take the 12% up throw, cus you arent gonna get much in the way of follow ups out of that.
you starting getting antsy for the last kill. and you almost got hard read ***** for it at the end.
If you get on a platform above a puff charging roll out, just taunt. concerning roll out its usually best to play the better safe than sorry game
when you spring try to avoid airdodging into the ground at a spot where she can fair you.
game 1 vs jpuff.
you pretty much went from doing everything possible wrong, to learning almost everything about the matchup in 1 game. spindash is really bad against puff. you pretty much have to run around and camp for back airs, and only go for spindashes and dash attacks when you know shes going to land. Shield grab will almost never ever work so get good at tilting and aerialing out of shield.
also, spindash clanks with roll out, thats good to know, I actually was not aware of that.
Only thing I would say is, its jigglypuff, you dont need to get greedy and go for big damage, it looked like you were trying the spindash footstool loop. No reason to do that against puff, just aerial. and go back to your hit and run game.
its hard to give you player critique because fighting jigglypuff doesnt really test yoru skills as a player, if you know how to play the matchup, and execute correctly, you win. doesnt really matter how good you are.
lastly, two big things against puff. GR to full jump double jump fair is guaranteed on puff. and if they do anything thats not airdodge, you can grab release, turn around, jump, and double jump a bair. and itll beat whatever she does. and 2, dont be afraid to side b camp, initial invincibility will beat all her moves. just like sonic dittos.
game 2
why are you backthrowing puff offstage? 1. its puff she wants to be in the air anyway, and 2, its not like youre gonna go offstage to chase her anyway, so why? and if you are going to try to hit her offstage, your best bet is to homing attack and try to time the release of it to coincide with her jumping, that will give you the best accuracy.
like I said, puff wants to be in the air, so you might want to work on your down throw game against her. either that or just take the 12% up throw, cus you arent gonna get much in the way of follow ups out of that.
you starting getting antsy for the last kill. and you almost got hard read ***** for it at the end.
If you get on a platform above a puff charging roll out, just taunt. concerning roll out its usually best to play the better safe than sorry game
when you spring try to avoid airdodging into the ground at a spot where she can fair you.
JayBee
Smash Champion
dude, go watch your vids. you didn't have to do it now... dont put pressure on me...
Orange_Soda_Man
Smash Ace
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQ34M-Bdo6k&t=532these matches was from the Return of Game Haven tourney on 1/08/2011. comments are appreciated. Links to each round of the set are located in the video.
2Fastvs Kojin
maybe I'm just not keeping up enough with the meta, but Kojin you totally had trouble with 2Fast's fireball spacing game.
I really, really, really hate you guys for STILL not posting in the right format.
God damn it.
God damn it.
Just LOOK at it:
or, if you want it dumbed down FURTHER (somehow):
Please tell me what's so hard about posting videos in that format? Because I'm dying to know.
Finally updated the archive. Took longer than usual because I finally set up a Checkpoint Date. All videos prior to November 1st, 2010 were bumped into the "~Old" sections.
Bunch of new videos added in.
Oh, and if you don't post in the actual, proper format from here on out, I'm ignoring your videos and not adding them into the archive. It's as simple as that. Ignoring the checkpoint fix, updating still took about 20-30 minutes longer than it was supposed to just because people didn't post videos in the proper format.
Which means that until everyone learns how to do that, I'm gonna have to post this obnoxiously at the end of every single one of my posts in here:
Otherwise, I'm going to murder something.
Bunch of new videos added in.
Oh, and if you don't post in the actual, proper format from here on out, I'm ignoring your videos and not adding them into the archive. It's as simple as that. Ignoring the checkpoint fix, updating still took about 20-30 minutes longer than it was supposed to just because people didn't post videos in the proper format.
Which means that until everyone learns how to do that, I'm gonna have to post this obnoxiously at the end of every single one of my posts in here:
If somehow it's STILL confusing, then just copy the format step by step from the videos already IN the archive.How to Post Videos said:
Otherwise, I'm going to murder something.
Trent
Smash Champion
Hey guys! Vids from my latest smash fest are up! Ill post some of them here while I wait for the others to upload.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytxooM3YnM8
vs MJG's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs
and
3 (Diddy Kong) Tyser vs. (Sonic) Trent - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gri2I0SZwgQ
Any critique would be awesome.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytxooM3YnM8
vs MJG's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs
and
3 (Diddy Kong) Tyser vs. (Sonic) Trent - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gri2I0SZwgQ
Any critique would be awesome.
Hey guys! Vids from my latest smash fest are up! Ill post some of them here while I wait for the others to upload.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ytxooM3YnM8
vs MJG's
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs
and
3 (Diddy Kong) Tyser vs. (Sonic) Trent - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gri2I0SZwgQ
Any critique would be awesome.
It's gotta be some kind of magic. Some type of sorcery that allows every Sonic main alive to ignore such a simple little rule, or something.
Mr. Johan
Smash Hero
Trent did that intentionally. :v
I only got 2 matches from DMT4. Which is a shame, I wanted those matches with Dakpo and BadKarma.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfHPW5MtUsc - Joshua (Sonic) vs. Raikou (Diddy) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYWY264eiYs - Joshua (Sonic) vs. Raikou (Diddy) 2
Every match I play it seems like there are moments where I am doing absolutely nothing when I could be doing something else. I really want to get over that. And also get over the habit of "Punish laggy/shielded move with grab/Smash Attack." At least my Glide Tossing is somewhat proficient.
I only got 2 matches from DMT4. Which is a shame, I wanted those matches with Dakpo and BadKarma.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RfHPW5MtUsc - Joshua (Sonic) vs. Raikou (Diddy) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYWY264eiYs - Joshua (Sonic) vs. Raikou (Diddy) 2
Every match I play it seems like there are moments where I am doing absolutely nothing when I could be doing something else. I really want to get over that. And also get over the habit of "Punish laggy/shielded move with grab/Smash Attack." At least my Glide Tossing is somewhat proficient.