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The Winning Steak Cinemas: Video Archive & Criticism Thread Updated

da K.I.D.

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learning Sonic while only Alting him will only give you a mediocre Sonic at best.
Thats why Kai is better than you.
RiverDB: Only got to watch like a minute (from G3), but don't HA so much when recovering. That just puts you in position to be cyphergrabbed by anyone who knows to spot/air dodge it.
WTF are you talking about? you cant cypher grab homing attack....
never seen a good secondary sonic in my life.
Thats why Kai is better than you too.
 

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Alright then, thanks for opening your hearts for me and for the critiques. For the time being i'll just play with Sonic and i'll see what'll happen. :)
 

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTwMX1KiXE4&NR=1 - WEDGE (Sonic) vs. Cross (Pit) 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zS9F-JAmfvY&feature=related - WEDGE (Sonic) vs. Cross (Wolf) 2

I'll be uploading some more from this tourney I won. Sadly WFs and GFs were played on a setup with a bigger TV so the crowd could see, so I don't have them recorded.
I'm fairly inexperienced in a few matchups in vids I'll be uploading, so I'll take all the critique I can get. I'd really appreciate some help in the pit and wolf matchups, and I'll be uploading a match vs a bowser that took me to game 3 later <_>
 

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Thats why Kai is better than you.

WTF are you talking about? you cant cypher grab homing attack....


Thats why Kai is better than you too.
says the guy who didnt know that sonic can sh fair> first hit nair. You're not ready for my Sonic's swag yet son.

Why is guile so raw? Did he Flash Kick Osama's beard?
 

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why is google meatriding Kai when he was trash talking him so bad not long ago? did he actually learn something?
 

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hahahahah my man Googles is too funny man. Its all good though. He thinks my Sonic sucks because I dont go shouting to the world my accomplishments. You're too goofy KID. Just to let you know, im pretty sure my falco is better than yours......just sayin.
 

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... How about Neither (read: none) of you is(/are) better than one over the other because neither (read: few of us) get anything done with Sonic? ?_?

I kind of like it better like this. *Nod.*

@#$% comparing accomplishments and arguing.

I'll just focus on trying to get as good as, if not better than Espy, and getting out more.

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I have to buy my tickets still, but,

I'm going to Genesis 2. Who else is going?


Wrong place to post this. Lol I'm tired. Thought this was the General Discussion for a sec.
 

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None of them getting anything done with Sonic sounds like the best option, Kinzer.
 

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@ Espy: you are absolutely right Espy. Which is why I dont go shouting out dumb crap for no reason lol. Until I have some viable accomplishments like you bro, I aint sayin ish.

@Kinzer: Im trying to get to that Espy level too. Hes too good. My *** is still stuck in Green Hill Zone.
 

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@ Espy: you are absolutely right Espy. Which is why I dont go shouting out dumb crap for no reason lol. Until I have some viable accomplishments like you bro, I aint sayin ish.

@Kinzer: Im trying to get to that Espy level too. Hes too good. My *** is still stuck in Green Hill Zone.
Guess that means I'm still on Game Gear mode.
 

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notice how I didnt mention any accomplishments in any of those two post.

.........


Come on now KID if you are going to go through the effort to reply at least ATTEMPT to make a valid argument.





















you know im messin with you.
 

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Tesh (Sonic) vs Nike (Marth) 2$ Money Match
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9sYWaeQl5U
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjwcX_3HxLI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSMq5Y8k4MU

HoM2 Tesh (Sonic) vs ReiGun (Marth/MK)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWqwG6OGFdY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GJk6vAJ_o5k

HoM2:Tesh (Sonic) vs Paw (ZSS)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8yrYvLoUus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DJok5DTJP8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GzRhc_PNvyg

Tesh (Sonic) v K Bot (ICs)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VuEY_RSW0VQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkythFkjhDU

Tesh (Sonic) v. Jrugs (Snake)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLgaGrIP3RE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6bqT1lcVwNA

Tesh (Sonic) vs Zero (Sonic)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhRFTnXMzY8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJR1HF3nR8s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8wkl7WFrcA

I really wanted the tournament sets I lost, I know they were recorded, but they haven't been uploaded to my knowledge. *sigh* Also did not get to money match the other Lucario.

for critique btw. I'm looking at you Kinzer.
 

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Oh boy, what a load...

Let me do this in parts, as in what I saw in each specific video.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9sYWaeQl5U&t=00m10s Had he not went for an USmash, that Dair would've been punished. In the case that Marth is waiting for you down below in a neutral position... yeah, this isn't the first thing you want to do in a match.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9sYWaeQl5U&t=00m42s Would've been a nice ledgehog opprtunity. Not sure why you just ran to the other side.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9sYWaeQl5U&t=00m50s I hope you simply messed up a shieldgrab. There was nothing he could do from that position.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9sYWaeQl5U&t=01m15s Why did you run to where he could hit you? You shouldn't run around like a chicken without it's head, try to outlast their invincibility.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9sYWaeQl5U&t=01m20s Trying to ASC back on stage without your second jump against Marth was asking for that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9sYWaeQl5U&t=01m40s Yes, because FSmashing when it isn't even going to kill at the very edge of the stage is worth it... Especially when it whiffs (it usually will). /sarcasm.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9sYWaeQl5U&t=01m45s Okay, I'll let this one slide. You may have been expecting a ledgeroll... too bad it's Marth, against Sonic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9sYWaeQl5U&t=02m20s Another shieldgrab opportunity gone just like that...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9sYWaeQl5U&t=02m30s Do I need to stay it again?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9sYWaeQl5U&t=02m35s Aww, perhaps just a brainfart.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9sYWaeQl5U&t=02m40s And the one time something like FTilt OoS might've worked. Do you perhaps have spacing issues as well? I guess I'll see... maybe.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9sYWaeQl5U&t=03m03s What... happened... here...~? Everything that could've went wrong did. ;_;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9sYWaeQl5U&t=03m12s Once again, Marth was just waiting for that one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9sYWaeQl5U&t=03m40s Augh, Jab is horrible for boxing. It makes a great GTFO move, and that's it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9sYWaeQl5U&t=04m10s Is it becoming apparent by now?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9sYWaeQl5U&t=04m15s I suppose not...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9sYWaeQl5U&t=04m25s okay this is getting ridiculous. I don't think Nike would've expected you to continue with your ASC on his shield. The least that would've happened was justa Dolphin Slash If that was the case, but since it wasn't you could've pokes his shield or left it really low. Instead you go for the same tried and tested follow-ups, which up until now has had mixed results for you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9sYWaeQl5U&t=04m30s Yes, and had he just been a bit further away this would've been the moneymaker...[/collapse]

This is taking me an awful while. If I didn't have to eat...

[collapse="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjwcX_3HxLI"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjwcX_3HxLI&t=00m09s WTF FSmash OoS?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjwcX_3HxLI&t=00m25s That really wasn't suppose to work... Conditioning I guess...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjwcX_3HxLI&t=00m52s Orz... meh, that reminds me, I need to work on my DDPing. At least that could've been a Dash Attack, but a grab would've definitely been nice too... I also like how you're just charging FSmash waiting for him to fall on it. I would think Nike's better than that. thankfully he is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjwcX_3HxLI&t=01m18s Oh about this, just grab after the third variant. Tends to work a lot of the times, if not all the time. I can't say for sure but that's what everybody else seems to be on.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjwcX_3HxLI&t=01m48s Really, it isn't doing you any favors...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjwcX_3HxLI&t=01m53s gduigduigbuipd All those platform pressure/techroll punish opportunities... ;_;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjwcX_3HxLI&t=02m14s No I'm serious. Not doing you any favors at all.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjwcX_3HxLI&t=02m30s. *Sigh.*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjwcX_3HxLI&t=02m42s And there we have it. I should probably make this into a drinking game too, but I'd not only probably die of alcohol poisoning but I have Pre-Calculus after this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjwcX_3HxLI&t=02m56s Oh I'm sorry, we weren't finished?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjwcX_3HxLI&t=03m10s Ah here we go. For once I'll give you some actual advice. That ledgehop Fair was too slow to punish him properly. Go for a ledgedrop DJFair. It's faster and in the case that still doesn't hit, you can either try to land to get in your shield, or Spring-Jump. You could even see some success doing a retreating Fair and going for the ledge, but again these are options. None of them are 100% foolproof. I'll leave that to you to find the right one at the right moment.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjwcX_3HxLI&t=03m37s Ah okay, I'll give you this much. Had you just waited a tiny bit instead of getting desperate like you have been, that would've been a nice read.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjwcX_3HxLI&t=04m07s I'm guessing my last comment was just the commercial break. Season finale on the next episode![/collapse]

Halfway done with brunch...

[collapse="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSMq5Y8k4MU"]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSMq5Y8k4MU&t=01m40s I'm surprised it took me this long to find something. Yeah by now you already lost a stock and whatnot, but I guess it's a ompliment that even I couldn't have found anything better to do. But that's why I suck. Anyway, as for this particular moment, eh~... Maybe if it wasn't so far away from the edge this could've worked, I dunno.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSMq5Y8k4MU&t=02m00s And that's why I'll never commit myself to spotdodging against Marth. That's not even the worst that could happen.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSMq5Y8k4MU0&t=2m49s There you go! Yes~! AUGH~! Feelsgoodman.jpg. *Writes notes.*

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oSMq5Y8k4MU&t=04m49s A shieldgrab isn't punishing a FSmash, lol.[/collapse]

Alright yeah, that last stock was just a combination of bad guesses, terrible position, and yeah. Nothing I can say about that except just perhaps just being aware of any and every option given to you at every single moment. An example would be when you tried to shieldgrab but you were facing the wrong way. How you ended up that I don't know and I'm too lazy to look back, but I suppose that can be your homework assignment. Just as it will be mine whenever I play.

I won't bother commenting on the first match of the next set. it's moreorless the same thing, except that the other player couldn't take advantage of the same habits as often, and not nearly with the same dominating presence.

I know that for whatever silly reason though, you didn't edgehog his last stock. Instead you... opted for a FSmash edgeguard...

Oh I will also say this.

Second match, first stock... you just got cumhmed on and you were probably better off not landing next to Meta Knight, or at least not airdodging into him... Lol, cumhm.

And wow, you just got cumhmed on again that second stock. What are you doing trying to shieldgrab a DSmash without some running momentum? You just can't get enough can you?

... Sexual jokes and video references aside...

Y U NO PUMMEL~!?

This is the next set BTW, just in case hat wasn't obvious.

**** him her! FFFFFFF-

... Okay, I said I'd cut the crude humor a while ago, so let's get down to business. There's really no reason not to pummel unless he tends to break out of grabs like inhumanly quickly.

Oh my... I'm gonna remember that myself, for ZSS no Ground-to-air follow-up attempts. That first stock was painful all the way from over here...

... And everything after that was just as pitiful. You had a very good lead up until that point, then you just fell apart. You seem to have a problem of... not running into things. Is it matchup inexperience or is this what I said earlier about not being aware of your spacing? I guess in this case, it also helps to know the opponents attack angles too... So how about it, learn to approach with shield or ASC moar?

... >MFW you techchase with FSmash at 51%.

... Okay, you keep shielding, then rolling back... do you plan on attacking anytime soon? Like I said, learn your options; this includes offensive.

Yeah I'm sorry, I'm not picking moments. At this point, the things are universal I've already mentioned, now I'm just getting into specifics such as with MUs or really bad mess-ups.

I guess it's okay that you won, but still~...

... And that first stock of the snext set... Just do yourself a favor and stop Dairing, ugh.

Other than that, eh, why do you keep going for Popo? I'm not even bothered by the failed displacements, that's probably from MU inexperience or fear, but do you really need to go for the player-controlled IC?

Next set, and you couldn't just grab him? Why does it always have to be FSmash? IDC if he still died for some unknown reason, that shouldn't have happened actually.

And again... dodged a bullet with that C4 though.

Okay this is getting ridiculous. also I'm falling asleep here so I need to have some fun with this.

Here's what you're going to do:

You're gonna take it easy, you're gonna stop approaching like it's an obligation (it's not), you're going to stop getting blown up, you're gonna stop running into things and condition your opponent so that you can stop running into thins an punish more, you're gonna stop FSmashing so much, and... you're gonna finish this YukkurReimuburger. If not I want what's left.

Are we clear?

Good.

Next match, let's see if anything new happens.

Holy @#$% this @#$% is seven minutes long, GDI.

Okay, so you punish a laggy Dair with... a SDR... Awesome... How about a running grab, or even a DA? That would've hit at least, not something that takes 30+ frames to get rolling, lol.

Okay, so I'm three minutes in, he misses the mortar slide and you... run to the other side... again, that's awesome.

... Why? If he didn't bother to detonate the C4, I imagine that could've gone worse

And that second stock... Seriously what happened? I'm not even trying to come off as a jerk, did your shield button just not work?

Once again 4 minutes fifty-five seconds he misses a mortar slide and you let the punish opportunity go~... *Sigh.*

... and I'm not surprised you lost the second match like that. alright~, I think we're just about done he-

WOAHMAHGAWDISASAWNIKDITTA@#$%DAT@#$%INSERTCENSORSHEREBECAUSEICANACTUALLYGETREPORTEDANDINFRACTEDIFIGETAROUNDITANDITWON'TDOITBYITSELFWHENICOMBINETHEENTIRESENTENCELIKETHISOHBTWTHISISN'TFILLERBUTWHYINGOD'SNAMEAREYOUSTILLREADINGTHISLOLYOUGOTNOTHINGBETTERTODOREALLYWELLANYWAYNOWTHISSIFILLERGNDIGBDOZGBDPIBGDUBGDGHSBFYHUBFVUYSGFUYSFGSUYIOF

Yeah I'm not even gonna bother. Get a % lead, camp like a b****, win.

If you lost, then I can't help you. Learn the character, that's really all there is to the ditto. Maybe you also got outplayed if you two are of equal skill level, but then that just goes back to learning your options with Sonic and getting better.

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Y'know, when I fight ICs, I go after Popo once they are split. Nana is dumb and will inevitably get hit by something. It's much more beneficial for me to just beat the snot out of the smart one. Seeing as he'll benefit from grabbing you.
 

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That's... quite an interesting concept. News for me.

I suppose I can see how that'd work, but I hate working around the ICs when they're together. Desynced Blizzards and whatnot make it impossible (in theory anyway), and even when it's just one... I would much rather go for the one controlled by AI seeing as how it can't fend for itself nearly to the same degree, if even. When it's one by itself, it's just like fighting any other character, work around their range and yada yada yada. It's an absolute nightmare otherwise.

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Nana is ALOT easier, and if you can juggle her, popo can't get high enough into the air to defend her. Even if you don't score the kill on her, putting her damage up higher works better than putting popo's up. HE is the one that will be able to shield/spotdodge/defend precisely. If you land an ASC or Bair on their shield, its more likely nana won't shield in time.

Kinzer, you're critique after my set with Nike is confusing because you didnt attach it to any video links or times. I don't know what you are talking about.

Also, iono about my decision making with Nike, sometimes I get stupid and treat him like any other Marth, but other times, random junk just works on him because he knows what to expect imo.
 

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I've seen people critique without specific timestamps. After the first set I got way too lazy/bored to bother. Besides, if I haven't already said it before, it's basically just reflecting upon the same things I noticed with Nike. The only difference is obviously how you would handle the matchup. Might as well cover player habits before you cover specifics. IMO anyway.

Sorry if I was really blunt; then and now. Mom was pressuring me to eat my food, and finishing all the lessons for Pre-Calculus. TBH I still have an exam that's due, but luckily it's Friday, among other things. I can't exactly do anything about it now either because I'm in class.

Edit: Before I forget, yes, at times it seemed like you did the right thing and got punished for it anyway. There are also other times where the most ******** @#$% will work. I suppose I should've said it somewhere; assuming I didn't already, that certain players are conditioned. As hard as some of us may try, none of us can play perfectly and we all have our patterns. I just want you to be aware of these options, and the ability to condition your opponent to make them do what you want them to. Follow that simple rule and I can guarantee you that you will definitely see progress.

It's sort of a necessity anyway. I've been questioning just how legitimate Sonic's options are, and I go back and forth anytime. Strictly looking at results though, yes they are; nevermind what all the theorycraft up to that point may has said to concur or oppose anything.

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1. I just played smash for the first time since pound with chibo yesterday. I didnt win as many as I could have, but I def. still have it.

2. When splitting the ICs. go after nana because she has butt DI. but if the popo is dead set on doing something stupid to save nana, blast him.
 

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Would I seem like an instigating troll if I commented "lol" at KID's post?
 

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... At least not without saying what's so funny.

Because I don't see the joke.

Then again, I never was a funny person.

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yeah only go for popo when they get split up and hes in a position to be gimped either that or hes too close for you to safely punish nana. Nana will DI toward popo i believe every time. So as KID said she will have TERRIBLE DI. Otherwise it makes no sense going for Popo really when you can just end the horror of the chaingrab with one charged fsmash. Remember though good ICs should throw out a ice block or something to save Nana if they cant get there in time. So dont just stand there charging a smash only to be halted by a dumb block.
 

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