Good thing I have no plans on going to EVO then. Besides, I don't even have a credit card yet: I can't legally work in the states.
Not the point, a point you entirely missed. You said that having to show ID to enter a video game tournament is a ridiculous assertion. I proved you wrong: the EVO series requires it to register at all. It's not ridiculous; it actually has a precedent. We just aren't used to following the precedent for large events.
I know you just mean just a first and last name. Just a first name wouldn't be a big issue. The moment you throw in a second name, it's a terrible idea.
It's not a "terrible" idea. Again, you're blowing it out of proportion. I'll show why in a second.
You obviously aren't very good as finding more info for identity stealing then. It's very easy to continue with just a name. Got a full name? Look them up on facebook.
I did. I said that.
Chances are, they are stupid enough to tell their friends on there when they're leaving to go out of town. Or look them up in a registry.
I did that, too. That's how I got the mailing address.
Hey, you got their name, and you obviously know which city, or at least general area they are in. You can easily figure out their address unless they have an extremely common name. If you combine that with the facebook stupidity so many people are prone to, that's an easy break in attempt.
It's also an easy break-in attempt to just wait until a family leaves for work / school. Breaking into a house
does not require looking someone up online, and if it takes breaking into a person's house to steal his identity,
that doesn't place the onus of responsibility on the internet. That places the onus on the lockmaker. General theft can happen any time, at any place, with
or without internet information. That's not a good reason to not use the internet, or to say that writing down the names of a few individuals internally is automatically a bad idea.
You
really didn't watch that video, did you?
Phone numbers are also very easy to look up online if you have a name and general area, which in turn helps to narrow down their location.
Yahoo People Search will get the address and phone number at the same time.
From that, all you have to do is check their trash can for any piece of paper with their credit card info (because many people are stupid and won't shred their stuff, or will just use a really crappy shredder), and it all goes down hill from there.
Again, looking into a trashcan does not require internet access. I can literally go down the hall in my apartment complex and look through a neighbor's trash
right now, not know ANYTHING about him, and find an unshredded credit card statement and know 75% of what I need to steal his card number and use it online. Knowing his first / last name ahead of time doesn't actually help me. It would only help if I already knew
other information that I can't get without hacking / stealing (like bank numbers).
This is what you're not getting.
Names alone don't get you anything serious enough to steal identity. All of the things you need to steal identity come with actual theft, and that info is always bundled with name information when stored anyway.
You want to pull a "I work at a bank, so I know about this sort of thing" card? I believe I can one up that. Part of my dad's job is to know how easy this stuff is to pull off. Heck, he's banned from having facebook according to his work, it's too risky for people to accidentally say something stupid on that site. Not that he would ever get one, because that site is just terrible when it comes to security. The stuff I've mentioned above? Extremely easy to do.
Yay? The stuff you mentioned above is
no different than what I mentioned earlier, and doesn't actually lead to identity theft. If it did, I could steal my next door neighbor's identity right now, since I already know his name. And apparently, a name is all you need.
Heck, somebody added me on YIM, it happened to show their full name, for kicks I looked them up online. Bam: address, phone number, facebook was there though I don't have a facebook account to look at the info (though I did read through their old myspace page, complete with them talking about their trip to another continent). Too easy.
Is this all highly, highly unlikely to all occur? Of course. However, some of us don't like the risk, and want to minimize it as much as possible.
Right, which
I already addressed. The people who want to minimize that risk by not providing their ID
don't play. Problem solved. No one forced anyone to sign up for PSN before it got hacked, and no one is forcing you to play in a Unity event.
Simply put: it's a stupid idea for such a minor thing. Video game tournaments aren't worth the hassle.
Says
you. The point is that
that is not a universal truth. If it was, EVO wouldn't exist or get funding.
Besides, it's still easy to get around that whole ID thing: just be buds with the TO/area, and they agree to write down your placement as somebody else. Are you going to set up rules to take care of that as well?
Did you NOT see my earlier post about this?
You know, all of these "ways to game the system" that people are posting aren't actually well-reasoned arguments against the Yellow / Red Card system. And I can prove it with two words:
Law Enforcement.
We have laws in this country, and entities exist to uphold and enforce those laws. Are the laws without loopholes? Of course not. And do people escape detection by the enforcement agencies tasked with upholding the laws (or do people escape punishment by acting just ambiguous enough so that courts aren't sure whether the law was broken)? Of course people do.
That does not mean we shouldn't have laws.
And that does NOT mean that this infraction system shouldn't be in place.
This system is to deter legitimate abuses of the tournament system for financial gain and / or to preserve the full integrity of the tournament system and what that system stands for, as well as strengthen the community though the creation and regulation of role models at the highest level of play (tangentially, of course). Yes, people will escape once in a blue moon and will sandbag just well enough to get away with it. And yes, once in a very long time, someone with a legitimate reason to forfeit may get caught under the banner of the rules. But, that's a calculated risk, and one the BBR-RC did not make lightly or without thought.
And, it's one that is wholly necessary.
Too bad it's not one person making that, or even one company. It's lot and lots of individual people. 100s easily. That's not a business.
Doesn't matter. The fact of the matter is that $300k+ is exchanging hands each year. One person, in theory, COULD win all of that money by being good enough to always get 1st and being able to travel a lot. Either way, it's a moot point. This is a game that makes players exchange over $300k a year. That's serious money to a lot of people, and those people, as well as the community, deserve to know that the integrity of our most important tournaments is being maintained. That's what the card system does, and if necessary, that's what this idea will do as well.
If you don't like it, then don't play the game.
Ok, explain this scenario, some randoms, a group of friends, want to go to their first tournament, because they are all taking one car, only of them needs to bring their driver's license, the rest just bring some money and any other essentials, but no ID, does the TO prohibit them from entering a tourney?
If I was the TO, I'd refuse them. Rules are rules, and if they want to enter, they can drive back home to get ID really quick; can't be that far if they are a bunch of randoms and only one person brought ID.
@jack
im only responding to let u know that none of what u said matters, because this will never happen.
Something tells me the BBR-RC are smart enough to know that if they wanted to implement a persistent infraction system, that they'd need a way to stop people from dodging their infractions. I'd be on the lookout for an announcement about how pretty soon.
