The Unity Ruleset: Discussion

[Xyro77]

We should also ban Falco. People who aren't very good at him can easily CG other characters and win with no skill.

So gey.

3.5 years of falco CGing and pika/snake/mk/ICs still beat him.

nothing like that can be said for mk.

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[popsofctown]

3.5 years of tornadoing and *insert mid tier here* still beat him.

If you want a better example, you need almost no practice at all to win the D3 Dk matchup.

 

[M@v]

We should also ban Falco. People who aren't very good at him can easily CG other characters and win with no skill.

So gey.

Oh hai ice climbers

Oh hai pikachu with a 120% cg.

Oh hai Marth.

Oh hai brinstar and rainbow cruise.

Oh bai Falco.

 

[Xyro77]

3.5 years of tornadoing and *insert mid tier here* still beat him.

wait are you saying mid tiers consistently beat mks that have ample exp in the mid tier MU?

id eat a pile of steaming pile rhinoceros poop is this were true

 

[popsofctown]

Oh hai ice climbers

Oh hai pikachu with a 120% cg.

Oh hai Marth.

Oh hai brinstar and rainbow cruise.

I was referring to Falco's highly positive matchups. Fox was complaining that midtier characters, -2's, can lose to MKs that have no skill. Falco also has highly positive matchups on lots of midtiers.

Of course Falco has counters only MK has no counters.

Sonic players frequently beat MK. That doesn't mean MK doesn't wreck mid tier. Falco wrecks midtier the same way. D3 is probably responsible for more absolutely unwinnable matchups than MK.

 

[Mekos]

m2k and anti don't need MU knowledge to win against low/mid/some high tiers, they just use MK's tools and it works.

(Anti vs ESAM, Anti's first real pikachu MU and he wins, SO MANY people thought Anti would lose because ESAM has massive MK exp and Anti had no Pika exp)

Lesser MK players make up skill with MU knowledge

Not true at all. They all do the same basic strat which is to get the lead and play super campy. Most of them at least.

A tip. An easy strat to beat this is to do your BEST to get the percent lead and just play campy yourself. Most of these mks don't know how to play aggro well and safe. They just have masted a campy game. Real talk. Punish their aggro as they get pressured via shield pressure or through the time. They will eventually snap mentally and u can gain a great lead from your punishes. After that they will go aggro the rest of the match and u then kill them! If they don't go aggro whiile u have the lead, time the *******s out and just sit back!

 

[Ripple]

real talk: anyone who just whips out a d3 to try and CP will never beat an actual DK main.

 

[DMG]

Oh Mekos good ****, I never thought about camping MK with Wario before! I always assumed I had to approach him.

Sometimes you say stuff, that people came up with years ago, and it sounds odd lol

 

[Xyro77]

Not true at all. They all do the same basic strat which is to get the lead and play super campy. Most of them at least.

A tip. An easy strat to beat this is to do your BEST to get the percent lead and just play campy yourself. Most of these mks don't know how to play aggro well and safe. They just have masted a campy game. Real talk. Punish there aggro as u they get pressured via shield pressure or through the time. They will eventually snap mentally and gain a great lead. After that they will go aggro the rest of the match and kill them! If they don't go aggro whiile u have the lead time the *******s out and just sit back!

DOOD THNKZ FOUR DA TIP IM SO GLAD U TOLD MII CUZ IM SHURE NOE 1 HAZ TRYIED DAT 4 DA PASST 3.5 YEEURZ.


*beats mk forever now*

Spoiler

dude i respect you as the best lucas of all time but dear lord man. stop.

 

[M@v]

real talk: anyone who just whips out a d3 to try and CP will never beat an actual DK main.

*mikhaze vs ook*

 

[Xyro77]

*mikhaze vs ook*

 

[Cassio]

Not to mention anti had a ton of experience from anther via wifi and tournament.

Then again, why is anyone still even going by the MK is broken argument?

 

[Xyro77]

Not to mention anti had a ton of experience from anther via wifi and tournament.

Then again, why is anyone still even going by the MK is broken argument?

wifi has nothing to do with anything

 

[Mekos]

But we are talking about pocket mks. Yall are trying to be funny but the majority of smashers aren't doing this.

For example, most smashers do not tilt their shield up when getting the tornado lol.

So get yer lame sarcasm out of here. The majority of the smashers want mk banned cuz they lose to pocket mks and they haven't even mastered the basics.

 

[Ripple]

Not to mention anti had a ton of experience from anther via wifi and tournament.

Then again, why is anyone still even going by the MK is broken argument?

maybe because he's thought to be more broken now than he was a year ago?

herp derp impossible I know

 

[Mekos]

Because kids keep coming in here and bringing that back up and saying he is.
And that is why most of them voted pro ban. They feel he is broken lol

 

[popsofctown]

real talk: anyone who just whips out a d3 to try and CP will never beat an actual DK main.

Pocket MK works against DK. Pocket D3 doesn't work against DK with similar amounts of practice.

Ok. I know nothing. Sorry for posting.

 

[Ripple]

For example, most smashers do not tilt their shield up when getting the tornado lol.

real talk: you can't angle your shield vs tornado if they start the move on top of your shield

i.e. the beginning hit of tornado hits your shield

 

[Player-1]

Why does anti-ban keep bringing up pocket MKs when no one on the pro-ban side is even arguing about them?

 

[Mekos]

bruh the pro-ban people includes the majority of the people who want him banned not just yer committee. And that's what the majority argues if u actually talk to them

 

[Ripple]

Pocket MK works against DK. Pocket D3 doesn't work against DK with similar amounts of practice.

Ok. I know nothing. Sorry for posting.

tornado wrecks DK harder than d3's grab ever could. but it doesn't really matter since DK is bad

 

[Xyro77]

like i said, there are people here that will NEVER get it. thats why u gotta look at them, tip your cowboy hat and say "hi guy" then carry on without them.

 

[Mekos]

real talk: you can't angle your shield vs tornado if they start the move on top of your shield

i.e. the beginning hit of tornado hits your shield

That doesn't matter. My point is most people don't angle their shield no matter the circumstance. U pointing out one specific situation means nothing.
Goodness, comprehend the point. Most people have not mastered the basics. Don't get me started on DIing!

 

[FoxFireMage]

Not true at all. They all do the same basic strat which is to get the lead and play super campy. Most of them at least.

A tip. An easy strat to beat this is to do your BEST to get the percent lead and just play campy yourself. Most of these mks don't know how to play aggro well and safe. They just have masted a campy game. Real talk. Punish their aggro as they get pressured via shield pressure or through the time. They will eventually snap mentally and u can gain a great lead from your punishes. After that they will go aggro the rest of the match and u then kill them! If they don't go aggro whiile u have the lead, time the *******s out and just sit back!

Oh yes, cuz I have that option with Fox. I'll just keep stage mixing up while using a projectile move that does no knockback...I'm not TKD I get that, but my play is constantly improving. I constantly hone myself against one of the best Peaches, practice every matchup I can. And still there is such a massive gap between any other character and MK. I prefer CGers instead >_>, at least I can adapt to their general strategy (to grab me like a *****)

 

[Player-1]

bruh the pro-ban people includes the majority of the people who want him banned not just yer committee. And that's what the majority argues if u actually talk to them

....no....NO ONE is arguing about pocket MKs at all except maybe MKhater149 with 13 post.

 

[Mekos]

Well obviously yer peach practice is not enuff experience for u to fight mk
_-_

 

[Ripple]

That doesn't matter. My point is most people don't angle their shield no matter the circumstance. U pointing out one specific situation means nothing.
Goodness, comprehend the point. Most people have not mastered the basics. Don't get me started on DIing!

one specific situation that happens how often? and guess what people who do angle their shield still lose to tornado

goodness, can't you see how good tornado is?

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

Nah man, with basics the Nado means nothing.

 

[Cassio]

maybe because he's thought to be more broken now than he was a year ago?

herp derp impossible I know

lol, even your own side doesnt agree with you. Its a point worth ignoring.

 

[Mekos]

Tornado is good. I won't lie. Just my pika fire beats it so I don't feel yer pain dk mainer. Sorry.
Can yer megapunch go through it?

 

[DMG]

You can, but it requires a specific read and super armor

 

[FoxFireMage]

Well obviously yer peach practice is not enuff experience for u to fight mk
_-_

It was meant to show that I play with skilled players...who also believe in MK ban

 

[Mekos]

Well tornado is extremely easy to read. Watch your spacing. After u get hit 1-3 times you should have a feel for when the mk feels comfortable using it. But wait most smashers don't read they just play the game without learning habits. oh yea. Well if that's the case I can see how mk is broken

 

[Xyro77]

That doesn't matter. My point is most people don't angle their shield no matter the circumstance. U pointing out one specific situation means nothing.
Goodness, comprehend the point. Most people have not mastered the basics. Don't get me started on DIing!

JESUS CHRIST DO U NOT UNDERSTAND THAT TILTING YOUR SHIELD UP OR EVEN TO THE MOON DOES NOT STOP MK FROM ****** YOUR ANUS 6 DAYS(ways?) TILL SUNDAY. POCKET MK OR NOT IT DOESNT MATTER CUZ HE HAS DAS TOOLS TO WAX DAT *** IN ANY SITUATION. MEKOS WTF ARE YOU TRYING TO PROVE YOUR CHARACTER LOSES TO EVERYTHING UNDER THE SUN and AKUMA SO PLEASE GTFO OF EARTH PLZ CAUSE I WANT TO GO TO BED.

 

[Mekos]

lolololol another funny posts lol
Imma go to bed too. That was one basic example. You have to use many. I wasn't saying doing that will win u the game. geesh smashers these days.

 

[MysteryRevengerson]

God damn Xyro

 

[Ripple]

lol, even your own side doesnt agree with you. Its a point worth ignoring.

care to point out who disagreed with me?

just because it went ignored doesn't mean that some of us don't think that. Hell the new match up chart has like 4-5 match ups that are increasing in MK's favor.

 

[popsofctown]

tornado wrecks DK harder than d3's grab ever could.

If you're going to push that hard against common consensus to discredit my point, I'm going to assert that Pit has a +1 on MK, and everything is going to be ok.

 

[Ripple]

If you're going to push that hard against common consensus to discredit my point, I'm going to assert that Pit has a +1 on MK, and everything is going to be ok.

and how many people even know how to play DK? like 5. I'm sure If I asked any of them ( and I can since they are all my friends) they would rather play against a D3 than an MK

starting with me

that's 1-0

 

[Conviction]

Pretty sure Ripple is more educated and informed on DK's MUs than anyone here pops. Just wanted to say that before I go back to laughing at different posts.

We out.