The Unity Ruleset: Discussion

[Cassio]

Shout outs to my addendum that may have been overlooked

Also I didnt include any points that didnt relate to pro-bans argument. But there are a few.

1. Europe and Japan both have healthy, strong metagames and different rulesets without metaknight domination. Marc, Gheb and a few others worded this much better than I have so Ill refer to them.
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=13402376#post13402376
http://www.smashboards.com/showthread.php?p=13402448#post13402448
http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=13404528&postcount=7571

2. Fear of even stronger inter-community conflict and divide should an MK legal ruleset be elminated over an mk banned ruleset. This isnt a particularly strong point but its worth noting. Several TOs have already stated they will continue to run MK legal tournaments even if he were to be banned. This leaves a decent risk that the community will split should he be banned.

This is more a personal thought but at the very least there should be a way to incorporate both so that one part of the community is not boycotting the other. As an example Ill use the way things are now, we see pro-ban and anti-ban attending both types of events. It would be nice if this equilibrium could be maintained with whatever decisions are made.

 

[Xyro77]

That defeats the purpose entirely. The BBRC is not infallible no matter how big Xyro thinks his **** is.

Relax. its not like 18inches or anything. 7.5inches is more like it. I dont kid myself.




PS: i dont care what you think about me but i assure you that what we(bbrrc) are doing is good for this community. you can either side with us and use unity or dont side with us and use w/e ruleset u want. the choice is yours.

 

[Mew2King]

mekos if ur gonna cite that, u should wait until the GF was out. The 4 stock match was double MK vs us, and the vid would have been better example. WF was just 3 normal wins vs all GW MK team. But i do agree double MK is overrated. Me and Anti are insanely good with MK in teams, but I think we are just exceptions in general as players. Me and Lee didn't lose a match at Apex at all, the Aura thing is so freaking good.

 

[fkacyan]

Relax. its not like 18inches or anything. 7.5inches is more like it. I dont kid myself.




PS: i dont care what you think about me but i assure you that what we(bbrrc) are doing is good for this community. you can either side with us and use unity or dont side with us and use w/e ruleset u want. the choice is yours.

The idea is good, but the way it's handled is awful, which is largely the fault of the people who started it and put out the initial ruleset.

 

[FoxFireMage]

ugh this community is so young and unaware when it comes to doubles.
Let me just say mk is definitely not broken in teams. M2k and I almost 6 stocked vinnie and nairo. (not because m2k is mk but because of our teamwork and how we constantly cut off all their options together)

Anyways doubles has alot of different factors that is not in singles. I mean even M2k is not aware of all the beautiful teams out there. Cuz please believe, lucas and ness are definitely one of the top teams in brawl if both players have dubs smarts. There attacks have good stun, there attacks follow up well with each other, they both can heal, and both have great kill power. Le go!

Double mk only ***** teams hard that aren't using teamwork and just playing a 1v1v2 against the mks. lol one grab with good team spacing(partner followups and smashes) is an auto kill for a mk at 100% for most teams. just one small example.

One tip: You should have spacing so that if your partner gets grabbed or hit u can punish whoever did that. Doubles has guaranteed punishes if you are aware. M2k and I are constintly punishing, following up with each other, not getting in each others way, and cutting off the other teams options. This is due to our "team spacing".
Watch this for example. GF is a better example where we faught double mk but it is not up yet. Doubles is pretty awesome when played correctly. There are too many positive outcomes from to teamates who have good synergy and dubs smarts. When a team trusts each other and can capitalize on utilizing dubs smarts the team will look amazing.
M2k and MEkos vs Vinnie and Nairo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PPiNU7ZsqNQ

another great example and my favorite is this. Ally and Dojo utilize great dubs smarts and teamwork in this set.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LdYYvbM2OPU

Doubles aren't the focus of MK ban

 

[DRDN]

Lol 7.5

10:D

 

[Mekos]

yea but they can see us using dubs smarts. I'm trying to get people to understand that doubles is not about just running around with a partner and trying to get a kill. Even having a few team techniques is not what dubs is just about. But I'll make a dubs training thread after apex I guess.

I wish there was matches of u and lee teaming. I couldnt find any. Aura strat is good but there are strats that can overcome that. I would need the vid to see but if u are just planking the whole time there is guaranteed punishes on lee martin if the other team is using good team spacing. But u are m2k and u probably did break stuff up well. Cuz u are a smart dubs player!

@fox - Someone stated he should be banned definitly in dubs if not singles and I have heard many people state this. That just blows my mind.

 

[Mew2King]

yeah sadly there was none =( I played incredible at that

 

[Cassio]

PS: i dont care what you think about me but i assure you that what we(bbrrc) are doing is good for this community. you can either side with us and use unity or dont side with us and use w/e ruleset u want. the choice is yours.

This is a pretty bad mentality. Anything that divides the community can't be good for it. Considering how polar most of the current membership of the BBRRC that would be basically asking for an alternate group of TOs to set up such a ruleset.

 

[Xyro77]

The idea is good, but the way it's handled is awful, which is largely the fault of the people who started it and put out the initial ruleset.

Say what you feel but the ruleset has caught on and thats all we want.

 

[fkacyan]

Say what you feel but the ruleset has caught on and thats all we want.

No, that's not all you want. Your intentions especially (But as a general trend, this is true to a lesser extent of the entire BBRC) are much more, shall we say, objective-minded.

 

[Xyro77]

This is a pretty bad mentality. Anything that divides the community can't be good for it. Considering how polar most of the current membership of the BBRRC that would be basically asking for an alternate group of TOs to set up such a ruleset.

What you call "bad mentality" is an opinion and doesnt matter(to me anyway). The community will always be split in some sort of way. Deal with it. You are playing a VIDEO GAME.

 

[popsofctown]

This is a pretty bad mentality. Anything that divides the community can't be good for it. Considering how polar most of the current membership of the BBRRC that would be basically asking for an alternate group of TOs to set up such a ruleset.

They are trying to create a standard. No other standard exists. They're trying to unify things, that's why it's called the unity ruleset. They can't force anyone to take their standard, that's what xyro is saying. They can only set up a standard and hope people say, "ok, even if this isn't exactly what I would independently come up with, its flaws are minor enough that I can accept this for the sake of solidarity".

 

[Ripple]

@fox - Someone stated he should be banned definitly in dubs if not singles and I have heard many people state this. That just blows my mind.

just because you and m2k are good in doubles doesn't mean MK doesn't dominate at a higher level than he does in singles

 

[Xyro77]

No, that's not all you want. Your intentions especially (But as a general trend, this is true to a lesser extent of the entire BBRC) are much more, shall we say, objective-minded.

You mean I stand up/work for what i believe in. Again, you can call it objective thinking or w/e lets u feel like your the better man/or the "only man thinking straight" LOLOLOLOL. Your opinion has no effect on me.

They are trying to create a standard. No other standard exists. They're trying to unify things, that's why it's called the unity ruleset. They can't force anyone to take their standard, that's what xyro is saying. They can only set up a standard and hope people say, "ok, even if this isn't exactly what I would independently come up with, its flaws are minor enough that I can accept this for the sake of solidarity".

SOME ONE GIVE THIS MAN A COOKIE/1000 SMOKIN' HOT WOMEN

 

[Cassio]

That would be fine if the the practical application doesnt cause greater division. Its worked so far because people are willing to put their differences aside and attend tournaments with rulesets they dont necessarily agree with. However having a scenario where people begin to boycott one over another is not only a possibility but a very dangerous risk. My guess is if this were to occur they would claim ignorance of such a possibility, or that it wasnt their fault the community reacted the way it did.

 

[Mekos]

just because you and m2k are good in doubles doesn't mean MK doesn't dominate at a higher level than he does in singles

He doesn't tho. Most double mk teams get away with tactics like double tornado constantly cuz they are facing teams without good team spacing. When they reach a regional or national level they lose besides like anti and m2k.

Maybe I'm confused by what u mean by dominate.

 

[Xyro77]

That would be fine if the the practical application didnt cause greater division. Its worked so far because people are willing to put their differences aside and attend tournaments with rulesets they dont necessarily agree with. However having a scenario where people begin to boycott one over another is not only a possibility but a very dangerous risk. My guess is if this were to occur they would claim ignorance of such a possibility, or that it wasnt their fault.

i dont unerdstand this but sweet

 

[Ripple]

That would be fine if the the practical application didnt cause greater division. Its worked so far because people are willing to put their differences aside and attend tournaments with rulesets they dont necessarily agree with. However having a scenario where people begin to boycott one over another is not only a possibility but a very dangerous risk.

I would highly doubt they wouldn't have thought of that.

My guess is if this were to occur they would claim ignorance of such a possibility, or that it wasnt their fault

yeah, because they are such *******s.

Yo Xyro, I see you twirling that curly evil mustache.

 

[popsofctown]

That would be fine if the the practical application doesnt cause greater division. Its worked so far because people are willing to put their differences aside and attend tournaments with rulesets they dont necessarily agree with. However having a scenario where people begin to boycott one over another is not only a possibility but a very dangerous risk. My guess is if this were to occur they would claim ignorance of such a possibility, or that it wasnt their fault the community reacted the way it did.

You can't complain about status quo without offering a better alternative. There's hardly any other standard rulesets in existence. If you use popularity as a measurement, even if unity decides to ban MK, unity will still probably be the most popular ruleset.

 

[Xyro77]

Yo Xyro, I see you twirling that curly evil mustache.

LOL FOR REAL!

Nah but seriously, there are ALWAYS those few people who call for gloom and doom and wont support anything that they are not apart of or somethings that is not their idea. Once you realize you cant win with those people but you CAN ignore them, life becomes so much simpler.

 

[Mekos]

I hope you are not implying that Cassio is in that category lol. That would be crazy.

 

[Xyro77]

I hope you are not implying that Cassio is in that category lol. That would be crazy.

THEN
CALL
ME
crazy
baby

 

[Cassio]

No, because people tend to sacrifice a lot when they try to do something for "the greater good". And when it doesnt work out the fingers pointed elsewhere. Anyways, Im pretty sure its crossed everyones mind as well. The problem is trivializing it. Also, I never claimed it was all of them.

 

[ぱみゅ]

I guess this is why Xyro is not the one in charge of "public relations" on the BRC...

 

[Mekos]

lolololol I have to admit that was funny Xyro

 

[Jane]

However having a scenario where people begin to boycott one over another is not only a possibility but a very dangerous risk.

sooo risky. imagine the danger we would face.

 

[Player-1]

Xyro should so be head of public relations, he gets along with everyone so well :D

 

[Xyro77]

I guess this is why Xyro is not the one in charge of "public relations" on the BRC...

lol so true. i dont like dealing with CERTAIN people anymore. too many of them are ignorant(they THINK they know but they dont) or just plain poo poo faced(mk shud bee leegul cuz i beat lvl 9 mks).

lolololol I have to admit that was funny Xyro

i aim to please

 

[Mekos]

No need for that sarcasm Jane. His statement makes sense.

lol Xyro sounds like yer gonna end up joining some secret society. haha
But yer starting to not make sense with yer sarcastic statment, because the masses want mk banned. So.....

 

[Cassio]

lol, oh dayums people hating on things theyre not a part, dont have a say in, dont support, but has an affect on them? I wonder why . Granted I dont even think the BBRRC is that bad, but the fact that youre ok with this is...hmm.

 

[Xyro77]

But yer starting to not make since with yer sarcastic statment, because the masses want mk banned. So.....

yea ill edit it. i meant CERTAIN people. the budget player cadets/cassiozoz....ect. no offense to them but they wont get it....ever

 

[Mekos]

Well, I'm just a player with passion who wants to beat the best and not just get rid of them.
I used to be like most of u and feel mk was broken. But I went to the lab and developed a new play style that helps me in singles very much. Now I even feel the mk matchup might be even for lucas o_0. And yes I have faced many mks who know the matchup and beat them. They played very gay and campy. But with my shield pressure/bait/heavy reads game I came out on top.

Yes, I'll admit Mk led me to this. But that is great because without mk I would still be getting dominated in singles! BUt no more. Mk has saved my life! lol

I realized that overall I needed to stop complaining and put more effort into my mastering my character and advancing him. I don't care if u people call him low tier I will dominate with him!
One example is my boy ADHD. I have never seen him pull off those infinite nana locks like the japanese do in tourney. He still has alot of room to grow yet he wants to just say ban mk.

 

[Xyro77]

Well, I'm just a player with passion who wants to beat the best and not just get rid of them.
I used to be like most of u and feel mk was broken. But I went to the lab and developed a new playstyle that helps me in singles very much.

Yes, I'll admit Mk led me to this. But that is great because without mk I would still be getting dominated in singles! BUt no more. Mk has saved my life! lol

Without being mr gloom and doom. im just gonna say that the mks you have beat/come close to beating were flukes or the mks just didnt have enough lucas exp.


edit: i saw the ADHD thing u just typed. LOL plz stop. my anus is leaking from laughing so hard

 

[Mekos]

I'm trying to tell u. These metaknights knew the matchup. It is not hard. Lucas has no approach because of his low priority. All u have to do is sit back and wait.

You players that define this game based off of data can't comprehend things happening outside of what the tier list says should happen.
Lucas is low tier. The way u talk, he should lose to everyone who knows the matchup. I keep trying to tell u. It is not JUST the character...it is the player.

 

[Ripple]

edit: i saw the ADHD u just typed. LOL plz stop. my anus is leaking from laughing so hard

you can have another evil twirly mustache now.

 

[Player-1]

edit: i saw the ADHD u just typed. LOL plz stop. my anus is leaking from laughing so hard

Alright, I'll bite.





What's leaking from it?

 

[Anth0ny]

guys

smash 4 will be here soon enough

just ride it out

 

[Mekos]

Advance your game! Player-1 you are in here now. Do you honestly feel your game has elevated in 3 or 6 months? Or are u playing the exact same way?
honest feed back would be appreciated.

Not trying to put u on blast. But I'm just passionate about players advancing their game and not just giving up.
The first time we played like 4 or 6 months ago u barely beat me remember? We have sense then played twice in tourney. The first time I won 2-1. This last time a couple weeks ago I won 2-0. My game is advancing and honestly I don't see a change in your game. Unless u get better I will not lose.

But based off of yalls logic a lucas should lose to a diddy. Smash is more than just the tier list. I have learned your playstyle and adapting is the only way for u to win.

 

[Player-1]

I'm trying to tell u. These metaknights knew the matchup. It is not hard. Lucas has no approach because of his low priority. All u have to do is sit back and wait.

You players that define this game based off of data can't comprehend things happening outside of what the tier list says should happen.
Lucas is low tier. The way u talk, he should lose to everyone who knows the matchup. I keep trying to tell u. It is not JUST the character...it is the player.

You do realize you're talking to xyro? The best/2nd best samus player?

Advance your game! Player-1 you are in here now. Do you honestly feel your game has elevated in 3 or 6 months? Or are u playing the exact same way?
honest feed back would be appreciated.

Yeah I've definitely improved a lot :3