Event - MLG Anaheim 2014 the truth

[Dragon]

free bj's at a ssf4 tourney isn't going to make it look bad, more like make it look awesome

...provided the girl was at least good looking/had talent

SSF4 seems to be the way to go.

 

[Soran]

wish I went to THAT!

IF she was angelesc. with her looks and tongue.

nobutseriously?

what does that have to do with game scandals? that's just some chick taking *** shots.

But... seeing as Mew2King stresses winning this was his dream(whether it be true or a john to let him compete) I think it's sad he can't compete. I mean, if we're going to let him be late without receiving the Dairy Queen then I don't know if this should be taken that seriously. especially if ADHD didn't officially recognize the deal.

 

[Vyse]

Reposting this because I haven't received a legitimate response.

Do you mean in regards to the way this may tarnish the community? Or the fate of Brawl and MLG? Personally, I think the situation just highlights a problematic issue with regard to smash in general.

Also lets get off the talk about the SSF4 EVO incident please.

 

[sambo400]

Honestly, without M2K or ADHD, MLG Dallas will be the Special Olympics. Sure someone unexpected may win, be the national champion of MLG, and win 12.5k, but in everyone's hearts, they didn't.

What you describe is precisely what happened in last years Halo national championship. In a bracket that guaranteed the top 2 teams at least 8th, the underdog seed won every match. The 1 seed lost a series because, up 2-1, an Xbox froze literally half a second before they capped the final flag, and MLG made them replay the game. They lost the replay, and game 5.

People rioted in the lobby, then got over it and went home.

 

[Punishment Divine]

Reposting this because I haven't received a legitimate response.

There's a difference between what some people are doing and throwing under the bus. Some people are just meatriding and siding w/ him. Check all the randoms in this thread going "Oh Jason, thank you for being so honest, I love you, will you 3 stock my *** next time I might happen to play you in a friendly?"

That makes me just as sick sick as anyone "throwing him under the bus" tbh.

Like I said, though, I don't think either M2K or Wyatt did anything wrong from their side of the story. I also wouldn't doubt that they're telling the truth. The evidence support their claims - Wyatt beats M2K all the time, why would he need to split with him especially with a broken controller? M2K does lack confidence, esp. against Diddy and Wyatt in particular. And unless MLG has specific proof that the money issue was not put together until after the event was over, there really is none other than the slight chance that Wyatt really was THAT scared of M2K.

I think they should both be allowed to compete @ Dallas, and if anything at LEAST Wyatt should. Anyone watching that match, though, could tell that they were both playing to win, albeit that M2K was using DC to hit Wyatt on Brinstar and Wyatt was going under the stage when M2K started to scrooge. But anyone who keeps up with those two knows that they go for crowd effect, especially Wyatt LOL.

 

[Kaila]

What you describe is precisely what happened in last years Halo national championship. In a bracket that guaranteed the top 2 teams at least 8th, the underdog seed won every match. The 1 seed lost a series because, up 2-1, an Xbox froze literally half a second before they capped the final flag, and MLG made them replay the game. They lost the replay, and game 5.

People rioted in the lobby, then got over it and went home.

I'm close friends with a member of that team at the time, and although I was frustrated that it caused them to lose, it is still the proper action. Especially with CTF games in Halo 3. You can stop a guy just before he caps and rally to save the match, so any other action would have been unfair.

It was an equipment malfunction, they followed the rules. That's why people dropped it.


@Punishment; sadly, I'd imagine if MLG is seeing it as bracket manipulation, Wyatt would be the one in more trouble than M2K. Essentially both are at the same level of 'rule breaking', but Wyatt was the one who would be benefiting and, under the accusation, committed the bribery.

 

[Soran]

People rioted in the lobby, then got over it and went home.

I can imagine a full out riot then everybody just dropping what's in their hands and looking around and going home mumbling to eachother.

I had a good lol moment.

But I do want to know why the EVO BJ incident was brought up.

I thought it was gonna be som'n like she took *** shots to win or som'n.
but nope.

15-20 **** were just lining up against the wall, waiting for their turn.

wow.

 

[Trillion]

magnifecentmarth.... i take it back. u are now the dumbest person in this thread. Ran has been outplayed.

if m2k is having a casual conversation, and somewhere in there says that he cannot beat rich brow, but ADHD would....

It wasn't my fault that he sandbagged, he merely thought I'd have a better chance against Rich Brown right afterwards. He specifically told me that I had a better shot vs. Rich Brown, and that he thought he would lose

Don't insult me when you are clearly the one not seeing the dots being connected.

ADHD says M2K sandbagged because he though that ADHD would have a better shot against Rich Brown.

The MLG rule exists for the purpose of prohibiting multiple people from ganging up in an attempt to change the outcome of the bracket. M2K believed that he would lose against Rich Brown, so he let ADHD win so that he could go ahead and beat Rich Brown. He was attempting to conspire in such a way to make it so that Rich Brown would not win. This is a direct violation of the MLG rule.

Seriously, learn to analyze before you go spouting insults and making a fool of yourself

 

[AllyKnight]

I think this thread should be locked, if what JV said was final, then there is no more need to talk about it anymore.

 

[Vyse]

Tournaments should just be random Swiss. lol.
Problem solved.

@Ally: Wait for JV to make a call on that. Or Pierce I guess.

 

[AlMoStLeGeNdArY]

Yo saffy start respecting your own boyfriend before posting **** like this, thank you. if you wanna talk about respect, you got a long way to go.

LoLoL Ally putting women in check across the nation.

 

[Soran]

this is why tournaments are whack...

Wow... I just had an idea. I want to host a tournament called The Cell Games.
that would be cool. I'd be Cell and everybody would fight me. that's the way a tourney should be ; )

but how people scrub their way to GF and lose and placing high doesn't make them good.
I still don't have the full scope on this incursion.

Mew2King planned on winning DC but wanted ADHD to beat R.Brown and then ADHD would lose in GF?

ughh... under the table deals are a terrible thing.

Mew2King: No more! I should have roared you down when you first told me your suspicion. But I wilted, and likea Christian, I confessed. Confessed!

quote from The Crucible - John Proctor

this whole situation reminded me of this quote. Mew2King lies and lies trying to hide the facts until he confesses and it bites him / :,

mucho respect to everybody<3

 

[tsl]

I was debating splitting but then I said, "Let's just see what happens," and then I won. I just wanted to talk about the split later. It wasn't my fault that he sandbagged, he merely thought I'd have a better chance against Rich Brown right afterwards. He specifically told me that I had a better shot vs. Rich Brown, and that he thought he would lose--but I didn't agree with that. Then, after I won the tourney, I told him that I'd give him 300 dollars whenever I would see him next. I've split multiple times in the past as a previous tradition, and I have no reason to degrade myself just so I can advance in bracket. I have probably the best record against Mew2king besides anyone else in this Brawl community.

This needs to be re-said.

Seriously, this means that he was attempting to conspire to alter the outcome by trying to make it so that Rich Brown wouldn't take first. If you are trying to defend yourself, then start by not opening your mouth because you are simply incriminating yourself more.

I love you how you didn't highlight the statement directly following where ADHD disapproves of M2K's decision, you little greaser. How does this incriminate ADHD? All he has said in this quote is that HE BELIEVES M2K threw the match, and that he disapproved of him doing so.

And, by the way, ADHD saying that HE BELIEVES M2K threw the match is just his opinion. Jason maintains that he tried, but there's no way to really prove that he threw the match unless someone WITNESSED him making clear his intention to throw the match BEFORE the match happened.

So explain to me how this incriminates ADHD? Think before you open your mouth, idiot.

 

[Albert.]

Do you mean in regards to the way this may tarnish the community? Or the fate of Brawl and MLG?

I think it's funny that m2k somehow tarnished the community and the reputation, BLAHBLAHBLAH, all that nonsense, by his actions somehow.

If anything, MLG/ smashboards tarnished the community with their extreme overreaction and this hugely immature discussion (which yes, I have gleefully taken part in)

Maybe only a handle of people knew about the "match fixing" or whatever(which still makes me laugh btw) So You see nobody would really KNOW about it if they hadn't been so dramatic about it.

People complaining about splitting and illustrating huge moral deficiencies in splitting have obviously never been in that kind of situation before. It has its uses. Top players that complain about splitting seem to forget that they're probably split before LOL

Idunno this might be really existential but its like this

"if a tree falls in the woods, and no one is a round to hear it, does it make a sound?"

See it's like MLG decided that the tree falling in the woods needed it's own twitter updating feed, news choppers flying in, Reuturs and AP writing article after article about the tree sound... Just to justify some relative moral grey area and to exert their own d1ckish power.

There's a difference between what some people are doing and throwing under the bus. Some people are just meatriding and siding w/ him. Check all the randoms in this thread going "Oh Jason, thank you for being so honest, I love you, will you 3 stock my *** next time I might happen to play you in a friendly?"

That makes me just as sick sick as anyone "throwing him under the bus" tbh.

Like I said, though, I don't think either M2K or Wyatt did anything wrong from their side of the story. I also wouldn't doubt that they're telling the truth. The evidence support their claims - Wyatt beats M2K all the time, why would he need to split with him especially with a broken controller? M2K does lack confidence, esp. against Diddy and Wyatt in particular. And unless MLG has specific proof that the money issue was not put together until after the event was over, there really is none other than the slight chance that Wyatt really was THAT scared of M2K.

I think they should both be allowed to compete @ Dallas, and if anything at LEAST Wyatt should. Anyone watching that match, though, could tell that they were both playing to win, albeit that M2K was using DC to hit Wyatt on Brinstar and Wyatt was going under the stage when M2K started to scrooge. But anyone who keeps up with those two knows that they go for crowd effect, especially Wyatt LOL.

Yeah a lot of people have been meat riding but whatever

These big tourneys and gaming circuits tries to make gaming a sport right? well Players are like teams, and these guys are just rooting for their teams.

 

[TheLastCacely]

I love you how you didn't highlight the statement directly following where ADHD disapproves of M2K's decision, you little greaser. How does this incriminate ADHD? All he has said in this quote is that HE BELIEVES M2K threw the match, and that he disapproved of him doing so.

And, by the way, ADHD saying that HE BELIEVES M2K threw the match is just his opinion. Jason maintains that he tried, but there's no way to really prove that he threw the match unless someone WITNESSED him making clear his intention to throw the match BEFORE the match happened.

So explain to me how this incriminates ADHD? Think before you open your mouth, idiot.

like i wanted to say that... but it's late, and im sure he will argue back with something dumb.

 

[theunabletable]

Don't insult me when you are clearly the one not seeing the dots being connected.

ADHD says M2K sandbagged because he though that ADHD would have a better shot against Rich Brown.

The MLG rule exists for the purpose of prohibiting multiple people from ganging up in an attempt to change the outcome of the bracket. M2K believed that he would lose against Rich Brown, so he let ADHD win so that he could go ahead and beat Rich Brown. He was attempting to conspire in such a way to make it so that Rich Brown would not win. This is a direct violation of the MLG rule.

Seriously, learn to analyze before you go spouting insults and making a fool of yourself

I guess if I play a pro, then I purposefully lose, that pro should be DQ'd because I let him win to change the bracket, right? Regardless of what that pro's opinions or intentions were about me throwing the match?

 

[NinjaFoxX]

so...inb4 lock.

M2K loses confidence, thinks he can bribe ADHD, gets caught. end quote
at least let ADHD back since it was not his idea...and did not actually accept the deal.

 

[Trillion]

I love you how you didn't highlight the statement directly following where ADHD disapproves of M2K's decision, you little greaser. How does this incriminate ADHD? All he has said in this quote is that HE BELIEVES M2K threw the match, and that he disapproved of him doing so.

And, by the way, ADHD saying that HE BELIEVES M2K threw the match is just his opinion. Jason maintains that he tried, but there's no way to really prove that he threw the match unless someone WITNESSED him making clear his intention to throw the match BEFORE the match happened.

So explain to me how this incriminates ADHD? Think before you open your mouth, idiot.

This incriminates M2K first obviously. Next, it incriminates ADHD because if he felt that M2K WAS purposely throwing the match, then he had an obligation to do something about it such as to tell M2K to stop trying to throw it or to inform another official.

His lack of action against a violation of the rules constitutes a conspiracy. If I am handing you a million dollars in stolen money and you believe that it is stolen money, then despite the fact that I am the one who robbed the bank, not you, you are still obligated to turn me in to the authorities rather than to accept the money.

Also, good ad-hominem attack. By calling me an idiot you proved that you must be right. I mean seriously, how am I supposed to argue against such a sound argument as "you are an idiot?" You sir are a master of argument and debate. Hats off to you.

 

[DMG]

I guess if I play a pro, then I purposefully lose, that pro should be DQ'd because I let him win to change the bracket, right? Regardless of what that pro's opinions or intentions were about me throwing the match?

There's a difference between sandbagging/forfeiting, and doing those with money involved.

"Hey man I don't think I can beat you. You probably will win this set" is much different from

"Hey man I don't think I can beat you. You probably will win this set. Also, could you give me some of the earnings you would make from advancing?"

If M2K sandbagged or "forfeited" to him because he genuinely didn't think he could win, and then completely after the tournament is like "Hey could you give me some money?", that's one thing. But while the tournament was ongoing, even if M2K genuinely did not feel he could beat Wyatt, he should not have asked at the tournament before even playing if they would split money in any way.

I would agree Wyatt should not be punished IF he clearly declined. Even if he changed his mind after the tournament and gave him money. If someone asks you to throw some prize money their way while a tournament is ongoing, and you say anything but a clear No, then you cannot be viewed as completely innocent.

 

[Espy Rose]

Flono, tsl, Vyse, Jack, and Ran all simultaneously win this thread.
It sucks for M2K and ADHD. It REALLY sucks, but the penalties must be enforced.

 

[Sephiroths Masamune]

Biggest moment in smash of 2010?

 

[•Col•]

so...inb4 lock.

M2K loses confidence, thinks he can bribe ADHD, gets caught. end quote
at least let ADHD back since it was not his idea...and did not actually accept the deal.

Err... It wasn't really a bribe. A bribe would've been M2k offering money to ADHD for a win. Knowing that he was probably going to lose, it was more like "Hey, um... We're friends and stuff, so after you win this, will you give me some money?"

lol

 

[tsl]

Can you quote for me where I say that it incriminates ADHD? It incriminates M2K is all that I said. However, I suppose I did tell ADHD that he should stop talking about it, so it is understandable that it could be misunderstood that I was saying that it incriminates ADHD.

Nice ad hominem attack though. Good try.

I was debating splitting but then I said, "Let's just see what happens," and then I won. I just wanted to talk about the split later. It wasn't my fault that he sandbagged, he merely thought I'd have a better chance against Rich Brown right afterwards. He specifically told me that I had a better shot vs. Rich Brown, and that he thought he would lose--but I didn't agree with that. Then, after I won the tourney, I told him that I'd give him 300 dollars whenever I would see him next. I've split multiple times in the past as a previous tradition, and I have no reason to degrade myself just so I can advance in bracket. I have probably the best record against Mew2king besides anyone else in this Brawl community.

This needs to be re-said.

Seriously, this means that he was attempting to conspire to alter the outcome by trying to make it so that Rich Brown wouldn't take first. If you are trying to defend yourself, then start by not opening your mouth because you are simply incriminating yourself more.

Do I need to spell it out? I read your words over about 20 times just to make sure I wasn't accusing you unjustly. No matter how I try to twist this around in my head, there is absolutely no way you are talking about Mew2King in this post.

If you MEANT to accuse M2K instead of ADHD and your wording just came out wrong, it's an understandable mistake. But you made a mistake. Man up and apologize. Stop johnning like a little *****.

 

[tsl]

LOL, he edits his post. Way to look like a greaser. Everyone look at my post before this one if you want to know what he really said first.

In response to this:

This incriminates M2K first obviously. Next, it incriminates ADHD because if he felt that M2K WAS purposely throwing the match, then he had an obligation to do something about it such as to tell M2K to stop trying to throw it or to inform another official.

His lack of action against a violation of the rules constitutes a conspiracy. If I am handing you a million dollars in stolen money and you believe that it is stolen money, then despite the fact that I am the one who robbed the bank, not you, you are still obligated to turn me in to the authorities rather than to accept the money.

Stop trying to justify your original post. Admit it, your wording was too vague, and since you had just quoted ADHD, there was absolutely no way for the reader to tell that you were in fact talking about M2K. Your words read as if they were addressed directly to ADHD because they immediately followed his quote.

Anyone else here with at least high-school level reading comprehension skills will agree with me on this one.

Stop johnning and just admit you made a mistake.

 

[TheLastCacely]

This incriminates M2K first obviously. Next, it incriminates ADHD because if he felt that M2K WAS purposely throwing the match, then he had an obligation to do something about it such as to tell M2K to stop trying to throw it or to inform another official.

His lack of action against a violation of the rules constitutes a conspiracy. If I am handing you a million dollars in stolen money and you believe that it is stolen money, then despite the fact that I am the one who robbed the bank, not you, you are still obligated to turn me in to the authorities rather than to accept the money.

Also, good ad-hominem attack. By calling me an idiot you proved that you must be right. I mean seriously, how am I supposed to argue against such a sound argument as "you are an idiot?" You sir are a master of argument and debate. Hats off to you.

stupid remark first came from me. My fault, u were wrong about what u posted, but i should not have said that. Sorry.

 

[Trillion]

LOL, he edits his post. Way to look like a greaser. Everyone look at my post before this one if you want to know what he really said first.

In response to this:

Stop trying to justify your original post. Admit it, your wording was too vague, and since you had just quoted ADHD, there was absolutely no way for the reader to tell that you were in fact talking about M2K. Your words read as if they were addressed directly to ADHD because they immediately followed his quote.

Anyone else here with at least high-school level reading comprehension skills will agree with me on this one.

Stop johnning and just admit you made a mistake.

I admit I edited. This is 100% true. My wording was vague and then I confused myself even. I AM saying that this incriminates ADHD, but I thought that in my first post that I hadn't specifically pointed that out.

M2K broke the rules. ADHD did nothing to stop it. He complied with someone who he believed was breaking the rules. He is guilty too.

 

[NinjaFoxX]

Err... It wasn't really a bribe. A bribe would've been M2k offering money to ADHD for a win. Knowing that he was probably going to lose, it was more like "Hey, um... We're friends and stuff, so after you win this, will you give me some money?"

lol

yeah i kinda said that wrong, ah well, its fun to read this thread..

hey, at least you have GENESIS2 to look froward to huh guys?

 

[Iron Dragon]

now i can win mlg dallas

sike brawl is wack

how many times am i allowed to quote this before it gets old?

best post in the entire thread right here LOL

 

[Trillion]

stupid remark first came from me. My fault, u were wrong about what u posted, but i should not have said that. Sorry.

No problem. I'm not looking to have an angry or insulting argument about this. I am simply looking to discuss it and try to figure out what the truth here is and what should be done.

ADHD and M2K are both great players. MLG Dallas will suffer from their exclusion.

However, if they were breaking the rules, then obviously something should be done.

MLG says one thing, M2K and ADHD are saying something else, but ADHD's and M2K's stories aren't entirely consistent with each other and aren't even consistent with themselves. So, it's really confusing.

 

[TheLastCacely]

how many times am i allowed to quote this before it gets old?

best post in the entire thread right here LOL

what about the post where m2k apologizes and shows respect for the community and that he has learned from his mistake?

tsk, melee players. Always out for themselves.

 

[AllyKnight]

how many times am i allowed to quote this before it gets old?

best post in the entire thread right here LOL

go back to your game with 1 national per year. that post sucked, melee dummies.

 

[TheLastCacely]

laugh out loud.

 

[NinjaFoxX]

lol why yall hatin on melee?
hate the scrub not the game.

 

[TheLastCacely]

i was just playing, but apparently Ally is Mad.

anyone? y'all know it was clever.

 

[Trillion]

The truth was that I did ask adhd if he would split, and the true reason I did that is because 1) I didn't think I could beat ADHD in a 3/5 set, then rich brown in an extended set right after.

The problem with this post is that he is admitting that he didn't think he could beat Rich Brown after beating ADHD. This is where the MLG rule finds issue. If he had simply said, I wanted to give up because I didn't think I could beat ADHD and left it at that, then no rule would have possibly been violated. The fact that he mentions that he didn't think that he could beat Rich Brown is where the problem comes in because if by letting ADHD win, he was trying to create a situation where Rich Brown would NOT win, then he broke the rule.



Also, I want to know what ADHD was talking about in his own thread.

If the MLG staff prefers to respond with such a major punishment based on nothing but a silly game of telephone and rumors, so be it.

BUT PLEASE, DO NOT RELINQUISH WHAT I FULLY EARNED AT MLG DC. DO NOT TAKE AWAY THE 2,500, THAT'S ALL I ASK OF YOU. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE.

Let me get something straight, Niddo. I don't play for money.

Money isn't my motive to continue in brawl.. as I have every penny I've won off this game stored in my bank account. Don't believe me? I can prove it. I PLAY TO BE THE BEST AND FOR THE COMPETITION. Demanding forfeiting is so out of my character!

If you weren't caring about the money and you haven't even spent any of the money you have won, then why the worry that MLG won't give you the money? Also, why do you worry about splitting pots if you don't need the money anyway?

 

[AllyKnight]

lol why yall hatin on melee?
hate the scrub not the game.

Didn't say anything bad on the game, unless saying 1 national per year is harmful, sorry. Melee scrubs + Master haxxxing Brawl hater are dumb.

 

[TheLastCacely]

I'm going to steal hax's shoes.

 

[theunabletable]

There's a difference between sandbagging/forfeiting, and doing those with money involved.

"Hey man I don't think I can beat you. You probably will win this set" is much different from

"Hey man I don't think I can beat you. You probably will win this set. Also, could you give me some of the earnings you would make from advancing?"

If M2K sandbagged or "forfeited" to him because he genuinely didn't think he could win, and then completely after the tournament is like "Hey could you give me some money?", that's one thing. But while the tournament was ongoing, even if M2K genuinely did not feel he could beat Wyatt, he should not have asked at the tournament before even playing if they would split money in any way.

I would agree Wyatt should not be punished IF he clearly declined. Even if he changed his mind after the tournament and gave him money. If someone asks you to throw some prize money their way while a tournament is ongoing, and you say anything but a clear No, then you cannot be viewed as completely innocent.

Why would ADHD give a clear no? Why would he EVER assume that this would get blown up like it has? He said to talk about it after the set. Sure it doesn't make him look innocent, per se, but he doesn't look guilty of anything.

And what's SO wrong about ADHD considering giving a friend some of his prize money (less than M2K would've made extra if he'd beaten ADHD)

He offered, after the matches had all been played, to give M2K 300 dollars (less than the difference between 2nd and 3rd). Sure M2K's conceivably, but ADHD saying he'll give M2K $300 after all the matches had been played.

ADHD shouldn't be ****ing barred from giving a friend money just because M2K asked at a bad time.

If you weren't caring about the money and you haven't even spent any of the money you have won, then why the worry that MLG won't give you the money? Also, why do you worry about splitting pots if you don't need the money anyway?

...Is it really relevant?

The problem with this post is that he is admitting that he didn't think he could beat Rich Brown after beating ADHD. This is where the MLG rule finds issue. If he had simply said, I wanted to give up because I didn't think I could beat ADHD and left it at that, then no rule would have possibly been violated. The fact that he mentions that he didn't think that he could beat Rich Brown is where the problem comes in because if by letting ADHD win, he was trying to create a situation where Rich Brown would NOT win, then he broke the rule.

Why is it relevant to ADHD if M2K let him win?

Why is it relevant to ADHD if M2K tactlessly asked for money at a bad time? Why should ADHD be unable to give a friend money for fear of being banned from future events just because that friend asked for a split at a bad time?

Hell, if ADHD said he'd give M2K 2-300 dollars, it's not honoring a previous agreement at all. A split would've been a lot more than that.

 

[Kite91]

I hate brawl and i think this is just a bunch of BS. In the end all they were gonna do is split the money, as m2k said he tried his best to win, and he sucks fighting diddys, his controller broke which lowered his morale. In the end M2K lost fair and square after trying to win a tough match. MLG needs to look more into things before banning them. I think MLG should unban them. And if vVv doesnt want to take both of them back the so be it. But as a console gaming team I think, and this is my opinion, that when m2ks controller broke they should have helped replace it this way he could have tried to break it in as much as possible before the event. As a team though you want to help your players stay in shape.

Anyway i hope this gets worked out so in the end both players can compete. And this is coming from a Melee player, just because I dont like brawl doesnt mean i dont have respect for the players, and ive always liked M2K as a player for both games.

 

[tsl]

I admit I edited. This is 100% true. My wording was vague and then I confused myself even. I AM saying that this incriminates ADHD, but I thought that in my first post that I hadn't specifically pointed that out.

M2K broke the rules. ADHD did nothing to stop it. He complied with someone who he believed was breaking the rules. He is guilty too.

Okay, I see what you're trying to say now and I can sorta agree with this.

Why didn't you just come out and say this in the first place instead of making a ridiculously vague post that sounded like you were just ragging on ADHD and accusing him of "conspiring"? "Not reporting something" and "conspiring" are two very different things.

Also, your story keeps changing and I don't like how we had to come this far and it took this much needling from me for you to just come out and say what you actually meant. Because of that, I get the feeling that that this isn't really what you originally meant, and you only came up with this argument along the way after I called you out on your first post.

But whatever, you've clarified yourself, and I don't really take issue with your stance now, so I'm gonna drop it.

Just come out and say exactly what you mean from the start and these things won't happen.