The Snake FAQ/Q&A Thread

[Yumewomiteru]

Sinz thats wrong. Snake can only do it by running off the stage then quickly tap down on the control stick.

 

[Berserker.]

Then what was the way he put then?

 

[Sinz]

That's how I always do it =/

The video thread comes after midterms next week.

 

[etecoon]

I do it the way sinz posted, smash to the side then rotate the stick the other way quickly

 

[TommyDerMeister]

Yeah, that's how I do it too ^

 

[Yumewomiteru]

Well... I never got that method to work with Snake when I first tried it, so thats when I switched to tapping down and as far as i can tell it works for everyone \(o_O)/

 

[TommyDerMeister]

Your method obviously does work, but i think for someone who was first starting out, the method Sinz posted was maybe a bit safer to teach to noobs.

If you hold down for too long, the would just fast fall and not grab the edge and then sd, or put themselves in a bad recovery position.

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

Your method obviously does work, but i think for someone who was first starting out, the method Sinz posted was maybe a bit safer to teach to noobs.

If you hold down for too long, the would just fast fall and not grab the edge and then sd, or put themselves in a bad recovery position.

I have sort of noticed that with hugging with snake. If I try to hug by simply dashing from the other side of the stage and fun off, I end up fastfalling. However, if I fall offstage turning the beginning dash animation I can hug it Now you are all going to make me try to get this down now <_<

 

[Teff]

I tried it, and it works! Thanks guys; Snake boards rule!

 

[Berserker.]

You had to say that >.>

 

[BladeWise]

I was wondering about explosives and stale moves.

If two grenades blow each other up, does that contribute towards stale moves? what about grenades blown up by claymore or C4?

 

[Lucario1337]

Is there a way to approach a mk in mach tornado in the air without a nade?

And is there anyway to recover when stuck under the anvil ledge in chyper snake allways seems to place the c4 on stage.
Oh and what are the chances of the first hit of f-tilt tripping?

what are the best attacks to momentum cancel with?

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

@BladeWise: This is correct. Mine, grenades and C4 will stale each other and oddly renew each other as well. Although, it seems very little the decay they experience.

@Lucario: There are no real ways for snake to beat out Tornado in the air. You have to either hit MK before he really starts gaining priority in it, or simply come in from above him with either airdodge or an attack to hit him on the top.

My own question now. Can anyone land on the stage facing backwards having plucked a grenade when hanging from the ledge? I have only ever done this a few times by mistake and was hoping for a better explaniation of if I am doing a simple wavebounce, or doing a B-reversal into a wavebounced grenade. I think either way works, but simply wavebouncing requires influenceal DI to move snake onstage after it happens.

 

[TommyDerMeister]

Lucario:

I'm pretty sure we're supposed to be momentum canceling with UpAir.


And to make sure, I'm reading this right (I just woke up, lol) when you are recovering under some stages, you stick the c4 on the side of the stage unintentionally, and die?

If you hit your joystick in the red circle (right between the bottom notch, and notches to either side of it) that is OPPOSITE of the way you are facing, Snake will turn around and drop the c4 mid-air.


As for the ftilt tripping thing, I really don't know.

 

[.decoy]

My own question now. Can anyone land on the stage facing backwards having plucked a grenade when hanging from the ledge? I have only ever done this a few times by mistake and was hoping for a better explaniation of if I am doing a simple wavebounce, or doing a B-reversal into a wavebounced grenade. I think either way works, but simply wavebouncing requires influenceal DI to move snake onstage after it happens.

how i do it is press down while hanging from the ledge, then jumping and di'ing towards the stage. after i have sufficient forward momentum i press whichever direction is snake's back and then b. i think we call this a breversal, that is, a change of direction with no shift in momentum.

 

[Yumewomiteru]

ftilt doesn't actually have a chance of tripping. The inner hitbox of ftilt trips if it hit them at the Sakurai angle (361 I believe). That will cause them to trip.

 

[TommyDerMeister]

Sakurai angle?

This is the first time I have ever heard that term.

 

[Sinz]

Is there a way to approach a mk in mach tornado in the air without a nade?

And is there anyway to recover when stuck under the anvil ledge in chyper snake allways seems to place the c4 on stage.
Oh and what are the chances of the first hit of f-tilt tripping?

what are the best attacks to momentum cancel with?

if you space your Bair correctly you can go hit him if you are coming from above.

Just b reverse it.

http://www.smashboards.com/showpost.php?p=6161850&postcount=61

200/1453 or 13.7646%


Airdodge if you are hit horizontally, bair if vertically.

My own question now. Can anyone land on the stage facing backwards having plucked a grenade when hanging from the ledge? I have only ever done this a few times by mistake and was hoping for a better explaniation of if I am doing a simple wavebounce, or doing a B-reversal into a wavebounced grenade. I think either way works, but simply wavebouncing requires influenceal DI to move snake onstage after it happens.

Yes, you can. You simply drop down then jump up normally. Hit the opposite way on the control stick then hit b. You will pull the grenade out "backwards"

 

[etecoon]

ftilt doesn't actually have a chance of tripping. The inner hitbox of ftilt trips if it hit them at the Sakurai angle (361 I believe). That will cause them to trip.

so if you space perfectly you can trip them every time

hahahahahaha barwl

 

[6Mizu]

so if you space perfectly you can trip them every time

hahahahahaha barwl

Really??
Wow....I thought "the trip" F-tilt depended on your opponent's D.I.

(If your right, welllll......that sooooo awesome)

 

[Yumewomiteru]

I have no idea how to hit them so they go towards Sakurai Angle. You'll have to ask Eternal Yoshi since he's the one with all the .pac knowledge.

 

[etecoon]

I doubt it's actually possible to get it every time, and if the spacing requires you to be really close that's impractical not only because it wrecks your zoning but also because a lot of characters can get behind snake before ftilt 2 without even really SDIing it when hit that close, just by holding forward lol

 

[6Mizu]

Here's something interesting, if you use "the arms" of the very begining of DACUS look what happens. (I mean I already sorta knew this)

:13-:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5hPlB9kayM

 

[etecoon]

?

all I'm seeing is a contact dacus?

 

[6Mizu]

DACUS cut through MK Nado. (At least if you use "the invincibility" of the arms during DA).

Look again and pause it RIGHT on :14.

 

[etecoon]

it was during the startup of it, tornado gains priority over time. dash attack/dacus normally loses to tornado but a lot of things will beat it on startup

 

[6Mizu]

You sure?
During DA Snakes arms are invincible. Look....at 2:12.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpn8X9uhKIM

 

[etecoon]

tested it again, I was actually wrong on dash attack outright losing to it, you can clank with it, but the later part of tornado doesn't get broken, it just cancels both attacks

 

[6Mizu]

Here's something interesting, if you use "the arms" of the very begining of DACUS look what happens. (I mean I already sorta knew this)

:13-:15
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5hPlB9kayM

?

all I'm seeing is a contact dacus?

DACUS cut through MK Nado. (At least if you use "the invincibility" of the arms during DA).

Look again and pause it RIGHT on :14.

it was during the startup of it, tornado gains priority over time. dash attack/dacus normally loses to tornado but a lot of things will beat it on startup

You sure?
During DA Snakes arms are invincible. Look....at 2:12.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hpn8X9uhKIM

tested it again, I was actually wrong on dash attack outright losing to it, you can clank with it, but the later part of tornado doesn't get broken, it just cancels both attacks

Okay that's helpful...against nado....
But that mean you'd have to use that "exact part" of Nado to do it.
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What was that at 1:39? (He jump after using cypher)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58eZsced_8Y

 

[Sinz]

Okay that's helpful...against nado....
But that mean you'd have to use that "exact part" of Nado to do it.
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What was that at 1:39? (He jump after using cypher)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58eZsced_8Y

It was a footstool.

in response to the nado question. Etecoon is absolutely correct. DA doesn't beat it when it has fully started. It can clank if you hit the exact right hitbox. If you don't hit it, well then I guess you lose to nado. A better choice (since you have time to da apparently just do a normal anti nado tactic. (reverse nade, utilt, crouch)

 

[BladeWise]

From playing excessive amounts of Duelist, I've noticed that the % damage does not decrease from 17.5% from asploding yourself.

Does hitting yourself not count towards stale moves? (Weird, I know)

 

[AllyKnight]

Nado has no priority if it's been done on the floor. Even a JAB cancels nado. anything will hurt tornado if its too low. or clash with it.

 

[Sake-Hato]

can we grab mk nado at all?

 

[6Mizu]

Nado has no priority if it's been done on the floor. Even a JAB cancels nado. anything will hurt tornado if its too low. or clash with it.

WOW! Holy crap!

@ Sake: Yes!

 

[Elyssa Xey Hexen]

WOW! Holy crap!

Mizu, remember, how many MKs will be using tornaod on the ground only? Most will not keep it grounded.

 

[6Mizu]

Mizu, remember, how many MKs will be using tornaod on the ground only? Most will not keep it grounded.

I know. I've seen probably 400 vids of different MKs. But, it's a cool thing to know.

 

[Sake-Hato]

i dont know how to quote still,but if we can grab his nado..then how? boost pivot?

 

[etecoon]

supposedly EVERY character can pivot grab MK out of tornado but the timing for it is strict and probably more trouble than it's worth, realistically the window for it is too small and is too risky if you can prevent getting hit another way

 

[Sake-Hato]

and what is this i keep hearing that if snake PS mks nado we can grab with no problem?

 

[etecoon]

I hadn't heard that but I do remember a topic from tactical board saying that in general people can shield grab MK out of tornado if you time it just right, like pivot grabbing I'd say it's probably more risk than it's worth unless it is guaranteed out of PS

if you crouch > shield while he tornado's above you you automatically powershield it though...but most of the time his hurtbox will be above your grab range so it's not really useable