Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[FlareHabanero]

Also, it's kind of hilarious in hindsight that King Dedede is actually freaking tiny, even though in varies media he's typical depicted as relatively large compared to everyone else.

 

[Deleted member]

a) Yes. Tell me what difference that makes.
b) Yes. Tell me what difference that makes.

Ridley, with those proportions, would end up twice the size of every other character in the game (not even counting his long tail), and I can't imagine Sakurai doing that. Just imagine Ridley on Battlefield. His body would stick halfway through the platforms. How miserable.

What difference does it make?

How about the fact it renders the entire comparison to be incomprehensive?
You want to make a point, you make viable visuals. Not just "Oh, but this is how her sprite lines up with this picture of her model, and this is how other characters look in the same picture that are meant to be in different distances from the camera."

And don't even bother with the clipping excuse. Ganondorf and Bowser already have clipping issues and no one seems to give a ****. Oh, but if Ridley has them.....then it's a damn travesty.

 

[Arteen]

Well it's a good thing I matched Brawl Samus's height to pixel Samus's (accounting for the slight posture difference), so "perspective" has nothing to do with it. Ridley is twice as big as Samus. That's the way it is in the Metroid games, and that's even the way it was in Brawl.

Ridley's clipping problems would be much worse than anything happening to Bowser or Ganondorf.

EDIT: Just imagine a four Ridleys on Fountain of Dreams. They'd barely fit!

 

[Arcanir]

Well it's a good thing I matched Brawl Samus's height to pixel Samus's (accounting for the slight posture difference), so "perspective" has nothing to do with it. Ridley is twice as big as Samus. That's the way it is in the Metroid games, and that's even the way it was in Brawl.

Ridley's clipping problems would be much worse than anything happening to Bowser or Ganondorf.

And he can't be resized for what reason? That would fix both problems you know.

 

[LiteTheIronMan]

Sakurai and his team aren't idiots... if they wanted to they could make a scale model of Ridley good and feasible.

 

[?????????????]

Well it's a good thing I matched Brawl Samus's height to pixel Samus's (accounting for the slight posture difference), so "perspective" has nothing to do with it. Ridley is twice as big as Samus. That's the way it is in the Metroid games, and that's even the way it was in Brawl.

Ridley's clipping problems would be much worse than anything happening to Bowser or Ganondorf.

EDIT: Just imagine a four Ridleys on Fountain of Dreams. They'd barely fit!

The main problem here is that you're assuming Ridley CANNOT be resized. That's simply ridiculous. Many characters have been resized for SSB, and many other Nintendo characters have been resized for other games.

If you did the same size comparison here for the Ridley shown in Super Smash Bros. Melee, there wouldn't even be a problem.

EDIT: Even if you're comparing it to the previous picture, I would still argue you're proportions are not quite right. The two Samus's looks identical in height, yet the 3D Samus is not only clearly standing at an angle (unlike the 2D Samus which is straight side-to-side) and 3D Samus is standing straight up as opposed to the crouching 2D Samus (I know you addressed this, but your picture...does not look convincing).

If you're just comparing the Samus to Ridley height, then that's fine, but the important part that's missing then is the accurate comparison to Bowser. Even then, this Ridley may be a little too much larger than Bowser, but yeah, it's not impossible to resize him.

 

[Arteen]

I agree that Ridley can be resized.

I was remarking on this image, which claims that a normal-sized Ridley wouldn't be too big:

Spoiler

 

[IsmaR]

Ridley is twice as big as Samus.

That doesn't seem to a problem at all for Mario and Bowser.

That's the way it is in the Metroid games, and that's even the way it was in Brawl.

Well it's a good thing this isn't Metroid, or Brawl.

The size fluctuates as needed, in other words. Off the record, Zero Mission is actually one of his larger incarnations. It's fairer using Super Metroid as the comparison of choice, considering that's the size most games (including Brawl, Prime and Other M) try to match. It's also just Ridley's big noggin that is the issue, which I think wouldn't be as much of one if they gave him a hunched/bipedal stance.

 

[?????????????]

I agree that Ridley can be resized.

I was remarking on this image, which claims that a normal-sized Ridley wouldn't be too big:

Hm...

This size might work if he bends forward more like in that previous posture:

Might still need to be a little smaller...

I made this picture, but I think I still should've made Ridley slightly bigger. Or not.

 

[Tesh]

Where does that Ridley picture come from? Thats a pretty cool design.

 

[?????????????]

Where does that Ridley picture come from? Thats a pretty cool design.

The one I used for my picture?

The design comes from Other M. Here's the original picture.

I changed his tail position so that it wouldn't get in the way.

 

[Tesh]

Its hard to get over the fact that his wings are way too small to carry such a large creature, but if he are gonna allow charizard's fat ass to fly around with small wings, Ridley's slender shape should definitely justify a few double jumps and a glide.

Funny, he looks like something I would have drawn as a kid. Just put sharp points EVERYWHERE!

 

[?????????????]

Funny, he looks like something I would have drawn as a kid. Just put sharp points EVERYWHERE!

Heh, I always felt that way about Bowser. Spiked back, horns, claws on hands and feet, teeth, and then a spiked collar and spiked arm and leg bands just for good measures.

 

[Deleted member]

Who honestly gives a **** about clipping?
Aside from that, Ridley would likely be on all fours anyway given the overall Other M theme Metroid has in Smash 4, which shaves a bit on height. If it absolutely has to be done, then some minimal shrinking like what Bowser got to help him not be too long.

Other than people that ***** about minor aesthetics such as "clipping", there's no reason Ridley can't work as Smash's Sentinel.

EDIT: I have been ninja'd by a lot.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

Ridley is twice as big as Samus. That's the way it is in the Metroid games, and that's even the way it was in Brawl.

Not with the "canon" excuse again. You know why Bowser was resized in Mario Kart to begin with? It's a spin-off game. You know why Petey Piranha can be small enough to fit in a go-kart along with duo tag partner? It's a spin-off game. You know why the huge Queen Bee, you know the big ass bee that Mario needs to climb in order to converse with, can fit in a small go-kart? It's a spin-off game.

You know what Smash Bros is? A spin-off game. There's no canon, and there's no reason they should exclude characters because of canon, there's always a way to make stuff work, and it's especially easy when even the source games scale him throughout the same game (Prime 3.)

 

[Tesh]

Well a spiked shell and head make sense, but when do you really need claws sticking out of your wings (at that angle anyway). Just looking at the joints on his wings, he wouldn't really be able to thrust those spikes at anything. And why is the back of his head sharp?

He'd need a slender redesign for smash ofcourse.

 

[Oasis_S]

Super Ridley is 2.15x the height of Samus, making him about 4.1m
Zero Ridley is 2.33x the height of Samus, making him about 4.4m

Though, Zero Ridley is quite scrunched up, and could very well gain a couple meters in height were he to stand straight, but Super Ridley stands rather straight already. Other Ridley is actually very comparable to Zero Ridley, I think being in three dimensions messes with peoples perception a bit.


EDIT: Hehe, NES Ridley is 1.21 the height of Samus, making him about 2.3m, the same official height as Ganondorf according to Hyrule Historia~

 

[?????????????]

Super Ridley is 2.15x the height of Samus, making him about 4.1m
Zero Ridley is 2.33x the height of Samus, making him about 4.4m

Though, Zero Ridley is quite scrunched up, and could very well gain a couple meters in height were he to stand straight, but Super Ridley stands rather straight already. Other Ridley is actually very comparable to Zero Ridley, I think being in three dimensions messes with peoples perception a bit.

That sounds about right.

 

[Oasis_S]

(If Ganondorf is supposed to be 2.3m in Twilight Princess, that would make Link 1.34m (4' 4"). Which is really stupid. I think around 2.8m makes more sense.)

 

[Xhampi]

I wonder what the "Ridley can't be resized" people think of Meta Ridley being the size of Samus in Metroid Prime Pinball.

 

[Shorts]

Seriously? I'm not even a hater and I know that **** is TOO BIG.

Melee Ridley is best Ridley.

 

[FalKoopa]

His Melee size is perfect.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

His Melee size is perfect.

Wingspan needs to be smaller, everything else is fine though.

 

[Wegenbarth]

Time to visit the church of Ridley again.
Too be all honest, I can see Ridley being in Smash4, but as an unlockable character.
Brawl didn't had any unlockable newcomer-bombs (well except ROB, which caused ****storm) and looking back at Melee where we got Mewtwo and Gdorf I guess Sakurai want's to go that route again.
Thats why he teases us, but doesn't show him directly (if he was a Stage Hazard then why don't confirm that asap? Master trolling much)?

 

[Arcadenik]

Damn, Ridley looks too big. He looks like he is the size of Bowser under the Super Mushroom effect. So, if Ridley picks up a Super Mushroom, he grows to the size of Giga Bowser... and if Ridley picks up a Poison Mushroom, he shrinks to the size of Bowser. I'm concerned how they could balance Ridley.

Even if Ridley is hunched over, he is still around the size of Bowser under the Super Mushroom effect. If he stood upright, he would be really big. I believe it means Ridley will need to be hunched over the whole time if he's playable.

That might explain why Sakurai said he might be a little slow... Because Ridley cannot run if he's always squatting just like in Super Metroid.

 

[ChronoBound]

I always thought to make Ridley slightly bigger than Bowser in total mass with him being hunched over. I don't think Ridley needs to be twice as tall as Samus in Smash Bros.

I think lots of people tend to overthink the size issue. Back during pre-Brawl (or rather for much of it), people pretty much thought Ridley was going to be around the same size of his Melee intro incarnation.

Or how about this? Ridley's intro in a match is him flying in at his "canon size" and then when he lands on the stage a poison mushroom lands on him and he shrinks to his "Smash size".

 

[FalKoopa]

Or how about this? Ridley's intro in a match is him flying in at his "canon size" and then when he lands on the stage a poison mushroom lands on him and he shrinks to his "Smash size".

Assuming you're not joking, this doesn't quite fit the Ridley's fearsome vibe. He isn't a comical villain like Bowser or Dedede.

And of course, this is a assuming that Sakurai is aware of the size issue, which we're not sure of.

 

[Arcadenik]

Or how about this? Ridley's intro in a match is him flying in at his "canon size" and then when he lands on the stage a poison mushroom lands on him and he shrinks to his "Smash size".

That's fine in theory but I think it makes no sense. If Ridley's Smash size is caused by the Poison Mushroom, would he shrink some more when he picks up another Poison Mushroom during the match? That isn't how Posion Mushrooms work. Mario dies if he picks a Poison Mushroom when he's small, you know.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

That's fine in theory but I think it makes no sense. If Ridley's Smash size is caused by the Poison Mushroom, would he shrink some more when he picks up another Poison Mushroom during the match? That isn't how Posion Mushrooms work. Mario dies if he picks a Poison Mushroom when he's small, you know.

It's Smash Bros.. Poison Mushrooms simply just operate more like the Mini Mushrooms.

 

[Anomilus]

The "poison mushroom" idea sounds like nothing but an open escape to an issue. It's tacky at a best.

The picture Golden post isn't perfect, but it does describe how some of the detractors seem to think. The picture Arteen posted however is NOT a good picture. You can see it's causing damage based off of bad perceptions.

I continue to promote all-fours Ridley who would be Bowser height, because standing on twos would then make him quite large looking, but he wouldn't suffer extreme clipping issues while in his normal stance.

It's okay for Ridley to be slow while on all-fours. His agility comes from being in the air, not from running on the ground.

 

[FalKoopa]

Ridley's intro animation should be coming out of a hole similar to the one on the Pyrosphere stage.

 

[Mario & Sonic Guy]

Maybe Ridley would only walk on all fours while crawling.

 

[ChronoBound]

Personally, I am not concerned about the size of Ridley, I just want to play as Samus's nemesis, and one of my favorite game villains ever (if not my favorite game villain).

 

[Z1GMA]

Let's go from "slighly bigger than Bowser", and go over to slightly bigger than Ganondorf for a sec.

He could be slighty taller than Ganondorf and have a bit longer arms.
Make his wings and the top (spike) of his head disjointed. His tail as well.
He'd look big, but he'd be around the size of Ganondorf.

 

[Diddy Kong]

His Melee size is perfect.

This is the biggest misconcept ever. Melee Ridley, is actually big. The camera is just playing tricks on ya.

 

[Arteen]

That doesn't seem to a problem at all for Mario and Bowser.

It's not a problem for Mario and Bowser because Mario is a relatively short character in Smash. Samus and Ridley are different, since Samus is already one of the tallest characters in the game.

Not with the "canon" excuse again. You know why Bowser was resized in Mario Kart to begin with? It's a spin-off game. You know why Petey Piranha can be small enough to fit in a go-kart along with duo tag partner? It's a spin-off game. You know why the huge Queen Bee, you know the big *** bee that Mario needs to climb in order to converse with, can fit in a small go-kart? It's a spin-off game.

You know what Smash Bros is? A spin-off game. There's no canon, and there's no reason they should exclude characters because of canon, there's always a way to make stuff work, and it's especially easy when even the source games scale him throughout the same game (Prime 3.)

I was debating GoldenYuiitusin's graphic, which claimed that Ridley's canon size (twice as large as Samus) was fine. It's not.

 

[Arcadenik]

This is the biggest misconcept ever. Melee Ridley, is actually big. The camera is just playing tricks on ya.

That video has nothing to do with Ridley. All I see is an angry black man flipping tables and being stalked by black men in black and of course, the black-on-black violence.

I expected a video illustrating how large objects appear smaller when seen from a distance.

 

[Arcanir]

This is the biggest misconcept ever. Melee Ridley, is actually big. The camera is just playing tricks on ya.

Tricks of perspective or not, it gives a good idea of what size to go for the character and he looked the right size to work.

 

[MasterOfKnees]

I was debating GoldenYuiitusin's graphic, which claimed that Ridley's canon size (twice as large as Samus) was fine. It's not.

Oh, in that case, no, Ridley's canon size can't fit, he will need to be resized, no matter his pose.

 

[Arcadenik]

Diddy, you want to illustrate how big Ridley is compared to Samus?

Prima facie right there!

Notice that the Nintendo bosses in the Adventure Mode are all characters who are really large in their original games.