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Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

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Well if it's holes that must be further talked about/speculated here... I shall bring in this awesome post from the roster thread.

God Robert's Cousin said:

This is the most recent picture of the Pyrosphere we've gotten. This, in specific, is the hole we all believe to be where Ridley comes from. I merely have two questions for if this really does mean Ridley is a stage hazard:

1.) Of all things, what sense does it make to get everyone riled up and talking about Ridley by refusing to show a single screenshot with him in it? Sakurai knows he's drawing attention to Ridley by doing this. What point is there to doing this if he's just going to be a part of the stage? If he wanted to build all this tension regarding Ridley before unveiling him to be playable, that would make perfect sense on part of how Ridley would gather attention and make SSB4 that much more of a hot topic in the gaming communities and media alike. We would have otherwise seen Ridley long ago if he was just a stage hazard, like Yellow Devil is in Wily's Castle and the Nintendog is in its stage.

2.) If this is supposedly a hole Ridley makes, why does it look so well structured, as in, intentionally man-made? The whole idea surrounding Ridley being a stage hazard is that he comes bursting out of the hole in the wall to attack the fighters. From a design standpoint, there's no reason why a structured hallway would lead to a dead-end like this that could only be taken advantage of via inhuman methods. If Ridley really did make this hole that he escapes into and comes out of, it would be more crude and broken apart, not a passageway that looks like it will lead to the friggin' Bottle Ship's cafeteria.
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Have at it, detractors.
 
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Question, what if Ridley becomes a stage hazard in ALL stages?

lol stage hazard.png
 
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Then he should by all means have the ability to crash/wreck those planes in the pic of that stage you posted, as well as important parts of other stages.
 
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GoldenYuiitusin said:
Alright IsmaR, you don't comment on my addition to your joke about reflectors, you like my Stitch joke but don't add to it, and now, you have the nerve to call me fat.

Now, it's payback time!
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Where's my two liiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiikes?
 
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Technically, a Waddle Dee can kill Ridley in Brawl, when thrown by King Dedede.

Your avatar reminded me of that.
 
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Not really surprising when you see what he can do in the Megaton Punch minigame from Kirby Super Star, the guy can break Popstar in half with a single punch.
 
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1.) Of all things, what sense does it make to get everyone riled up and talking about Ridley by refusing to show a single screenshot with him in it? Sakurai knows he's drawing attention to Ridley by doing this. What point is there to doing this if he's just going to be a part of the stage? If he wanted to build all this tension regarding Ridley before unveiling him to be playable, that would make perfect sense on part of how Ridley would gather attention and make SSB4 that much more of a hot topic in the gaming communities and media alike. We would have otherwise seen Ridley long ago if he was just a stage hazard, like Yellow Devil is in Wily's Castle and the Nintendog is in its stage.
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We can't assume the Pyrosphere and Ridley were even ready to be shown during E3. Clearly stages like Wily's Castle and the 3DS Nintendog stage were ready to be shown. As I've implied several times before, the current format of revelations has lacked new characters of any kind, outside of comments attached to the pictures. Characters, regardless of their status, seem to be important enough that nobody is revealed during simple daily DOJO updates.

See, as much as I'd like to think that Sakurai just HAS to be trying to drum up tension with these various images of the Pyrosphere, the possibility still exists that he really and truly may not be aware of what he's doing. He may not even be trying to build up hype towards a specific element. He could just be hyping the Pyrosphere on its own while thinking he's keeping anything else about it concealed until he's ready to show more. The depths of Sakurai's knowledge of Ridley's popularity is still an enigma, so I think it's best to treat it as such.

2.) If this is supposedly a hole Ridley makes, why does it look so well structured, as in, intentionally man-made? The whole idea surrounding Ridley being a stage hazard is that he comes bursting out of the hole in the wall to attack the fighters. From a design standpoint, there's no reason why a structured hallway would lead to a dead-end like this that could only be taken advantage of via inhuman methods. If Ridley really did make this hole that he escapes into and comes out of, it would be more crude and broken apart, not a passageway that looks like it will lead to the friggin' Bottle Ship's cafeteria.
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I was under the impression that the hole that's in discussion relates to Ridley's escape as performed in Other M, not an entrance for Ridley to appear. Not sure where this idea that Ridley would come OUT the hole came from. The hole that is talked about pretty much matches the same spot where Ridley made his escape.

Having said that, it is correct to notice that the contents of the hole is unusually well-structure. Noticed it myself, but not long enough to bring attention to it. If that hole really is supposed to be where Ridley made his escape, there would be a lot more destruction inside. And for those who might have such an idea in mind, there's no way such a hole would have lava coming out of it. No burn marks, no heated scorched metal, the edges look like they've never experienced any heat. Such a lacking detail is way too uncharacteristic of the Smash developers.

So... yeah... the hole is more of a mystery than assumed. Same goes for that scar in the wall underneath the hole. Not sure what that's about.
 
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In that last comparison ("what Ridley supporters want"), Ridley is still huge. He's twice Samus's size even when he's scrunched up.

Here's what he'd look like in Brawl if he kept those proportions:
 
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In that last comparison ("what Ridley supporters want"), Ridley is still huge. He's twice Samus's size even when he's scrunched up.

Here's what he'd look like in Brawl if he kept those proportions:
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You do realize that
a) You're comparing a sprite comparison to 3D models
b) The lineup of the Brawl characters is at an angle

right?

And yes, Ridley is big. So what? There is no rule that there can't be a bigger character than Bowser.
 
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You know what if funny about a bigger Ridley? Jigglypuff's rest is more easy to pull off against larger characters than smaller ones (the final fight against Giga Bowser in Event 51 in Melee is perhaps the best example of this). Jigglypuff is now a fairy type, which is strong against dragons. And since Ridley is a space dragon, it only follows that Jigglypuff would have an easier time against him than other fighters. :troll:
 
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I keep noticing that Ridley sprites from Zero Mission lack a tail. Then I started thinking about how Ridley's tail is commonly impervious to attacks. That being said, would it be overpowered if that trait carried over into Smash?
 
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Tail's missing because it's a "build it yourself" deal with a bunch of spiked balls you have to connect.

People (myself included) are too lazy to make the tail. It's just easier to leave it out unless it HAS to be there.
 
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GoldenYuiitusin said:
Tail's missing because it's a "build it yourself" deal with a bunch of spiked balls you have to connect.

People (myself included) are too lazy to make the tail. It's just easier to leave it out unless it HAS to be there.
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He looks so awkward without it, but that's not so much the point I'm trying to make. Do you think Ridley would be too strong if his tail had disjointed hitboxes? (If his tail is often utilized in his attacks)
 
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GoldenYuiitusin said:
You do realize that
a) You're comparing a sprite comparison to 3D models
b) The lineup of the Brawl characters is at an angle

right?

And yes, Ridley is big. So what? There is no rule that there can't be a bigger character than Bowser.
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a) Yes. Tell me what difference that makes.
b) Yes. Tell me what difference that makes.

Ridley, with those proportions, would end up twice the size of every other character in the game (not even counting his long tail), and I can't imagine Sakurai doing that. Just imagine Ridley on Battlefield. His body would stick halfway through the platforms. How miserable.
 
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ChronoBound said:
You know what if funny about a bigger Ridley? Jigglypuff's rest is more easy to pull off against larger characters than smaller ones (the final fight against Giga Bowser in Event 51 in Melee is perhaps the best example of this). Jigglypuff is now a fairy type, which is strong against dragons. And since Ridley is a space dragon, it only follows that Jigglypuff would have an easier time against him than other fighters. :troll:
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To play on the dragon mentality even further.

Everyone is familiar with Marth, well as you know due to his agile swordplay he can easily slaughter large characters. Well, for Ridley he's especially screwed because the Falchion inflicts more damage on dragons, meaning that not only is Ridley's fatass a problem but also his draconic blood. Imagine a Jigglypuff and Marth slaughterfest, with Ridley being the first contestant. Lodsepain.
 
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Was working on these before the site went down. They should be fairly accurate.


About the tail thing, I guess you could reference it in a Special, or just give Ridley one or two tail attacks that have really high priority?
 
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I agree that that Ridley is still unfeasibly big.

Are you really trying to counter the "too big" peoples' points with not changing Ridley's scale at all? When our best argument FOR the guy revolves around the double standard that characters such as Bowser and Olimar have gotten away with, with no complaints? And let's not even go into the discrepancies present in Pokémon in this game.

I don't want Ridley super small. I certainly don't want him smaller than Samus, because that's stupid. But at his real size, he is larger than the rest of the cast, enough that it makes him look ridiculously large. He should be scaled down if he's gonna be in Smash Bros. Not to Samus's size, but to something around (and probably a little bigger than) Bowser's.

I wouldn't want any playable character to be twice Bowser's size, regardless of canon size. And that's twice his size hunched. What happens when he spreads his wings, extends his tail, and glides?

Ridley will have to be scaled down to not (a) look totally out of place and (b) be an unfairly large target.
 
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