Important The Ridley for SSB4 Thread - End of an Era

[Deleted member]

I am curious though what all the "Ridley doesn't matter" people will say, if K. Rool is excluded too? Obviously, Sakurai is clearly enlightended. Afterall, K. Rool hasn't been in a major DK since 1999.

I don't believe that Ridley's exclusion would weaken the chances of other potential newcomers/returnee since I believe that Sakurai adds characters for their own merits. If Ridley were to be excluded, I'd still think that we will be seeing two Donkey Kong newcomers.

That said, I'm worried about Ridley's exclusion because of the negative impact it could have on the Smash community (such as increasing pessimism in an already pessimistic community, encouraging support more on likelihood than wants and more BS arguments against worthy characters to deal with).

 

[nessokman]

I'm not sure at all, I was never sure. People were far too quick to jump to the conclusion that Sakurai's comment to accompany the reveal of the Pyrosphere definitely meant Ridley was a stage hazard. In my eyes Sakurai's comment could equally be hinting that he appears on the stage during his introduction movie, or that he could be fought as a boss battle there. The comment is very open to interpretation, people just jumped to that one conclusion.

The hole hints a hazard, what else happens there besides the Ridley battle? Anthony "dies"
Anthony
Anthony
Stage hazard....


PLAYABLE ANTHONY DECONFIRMED!

 

[ErictheLone]

well... yes... that's the stage Samus fought Ridley on in Other M.

edit: as for King K. Rool... please no. we don't need any more Mario spinoff characters... more than a fifth of last game's roster was comprised of characters from a Mario or Mario spinoff franchise

ridley will be playable imo

 

[FlareHabanero]

Who cares, it's still Ridley.

Don't ****ing say that, you should be hoping for the absolute best scenario instead of settling for a lot less.

 

[ChronoBound]

I rather have a Pichu-level crappy playable Ridley with duck-face than no playable Ridley at all.

 

[AnOkayDM]

well... yes... that's the stage Samus fought Ridley on in Other M.

edit: as for King K. Rool... please no. we don't need any more Mario spinoff characters... more than a fifth of last game's roster was comprised of characters from a Mario or Mario spinoff franchise

Except that Wario, Yoshi, DK, and Diddy all rep their own series, as would King K. Rool. The only true Mario characters were Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Bowser. Who cares if they're related to Mario? They're not considered part of the series for Smash Bros.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I rather have a Pichu-level crappy playable Ridley with duck-face than no playable Ridley at all.

Enjoy the lack of satisfaction.

 

[Arcanir]

Don't ****ing say that, you should be hoping for the absolute best scenario instead of settling for a lot less.

Of course I'm hoping for the best, but unless Ridley gets really poorly represented I can't say I'd complain too much just as long as he got in. He's still a character that I've wanted for a long time and I'd still play with him regardless, just like I played with Mewtwo back in Melee even though he was pretty poorly balanced.

Enjoy the lack of satisfaction.

Will do.

 

[ChronoBound]

Enjoy the lack of satisfaction.

Nope. I will still be happy with Ridley. We love Ridley as a character in general. Many of us could care where he ranks on the tier list.

 

[Groose]

Ridley bursts onto the stage, readying a blast of fire, all combatants bracing themselves for the hit. . . . .


. . . when he gets struck by an Ice Beam burst, and Anthony jumps onto the rear portion of the stage. They then proceed to fight each other in the background.

 

[AnOkayDM]

No.

 

[Groose]

No.

....

 

[FlareHabanero]

Nope. I will still be happy with Ridley. We love Ridley as a character in general. Many of us could care where he ranks on the tier list.

I do like Ridley, but where I'm getting at is that a character like Ridley should be really faithful to the character, both from the prospective of archetype and history. I mean, there is a reason why there are many people dissatisfied with Ganondorf right now and would want a change in his moveset.

 

[PlayerOneTyler]

Except that Wario, Yoshi, DK, and Diddy all rep their own series, as would King K. Rool. The only true Mario characters were Mario, Luigi, Peach, and Bowser. Who cares if they're related to Mario? They're not considered part of the series for Smash Bros.

I feel like that's just an excuse so that they can include more Mario characters, since it's arguably the most popular (and most recognizable) franchise Nintendo has. Not that anything's wrong with that, but Yoshi having his series separate is a bit of a stretch, considering there isn't a single Yoshi game that doesn't hint to the Mario franchise. At least Donkey Kong and Wario took things into their own hands.

And to stay on topic: Ridley is cool.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

These Pyrosphere pictures are such as a Ridley-tease. I get all excited when I see the daily picture but then become so let down when, upon zooming into the picture, I don't see that hulking mass of purple dinosaur. And with no home internet, I am now regulated to my phone which happens to be slow so it loads bit...by bit...by bit....tantalizing me throughout the wait.

Regardless, despite his confirmation/deconfirmation; I am still steadfast that he will be playable. In fact, all these Pyrosphere pictures further cements my belief that Ridley is playable. Sakurai knows how big of a deal breaker this dragon is. He knows we are going ape **** and freaking out over these pictures and he is doing that to build hype. Why build the hype when you will only tear it down and possibly alienate a large fanbase? That would be a rotten, horrible, mean, despicable, and trollish thing to do and I believe Sakurai is above that.

 

[ChronoBound]

I do like Ridley, but where I'm getting at is that a character like Ridley should be really faithful to the character, both from the prospective of archetype and history. I mean, there is a reason why there are many people dissatisfied with Ganondorf right now and would want a change in his moveset.

For someone like me who has waited as long as I have for Ridley, I would even have Ridley as a Charizard clone.

All the problems with a playable version of Ridley can simply be fixed with balance patches (if its balance issues) or future game iterations (if its issues with the moveset like Ganondorf).

If a character fails to make it in, they may never get in.

Look at a character like Sheik, if she never made it in Melee, she would never have been a serious consideration for Brawl let alone future subsequent games.

If Ridley fails to make it in for Smash 4, there is going to be far, far more doubters and "haters" for Ridley in regards to Smash 5 than there was Smash 4 and Brawl.

 

[ChronoBound]

Regardless, despite his confirmation/deconfirmation; I am still steadfast that he will be playable. In fact, all these Pyrosphere pictures further cements my belief that Ridley is playable. Sakurai knows how big of a deal breaker this dragon is. He knows we are going ape **** and freaking out over these pictures and he is doing that to build hype. Why build the hype when you will only tear it down and possibly alienate a large fanbase? That would be a rotten, horrible, mean, despicable, and trollish thing to do and I believe Sakurai is above that.

I really don't think Sakurai knows what kind of ****storm he is causing on the Western side of things. I think he knows that the the fanbase knows he is teasing a stage hazard version of Ridley, but I don't think he knows its causing ****storm because I don't think he is aware of how popularly requested Ridley is outside Japan.

 

[AnOkayDM]

....

...touché.

I feel like that's just an excuse so that they can include more Mario characters, since it's arguably the most popular (and most recognizable) franchise Nintendo has. Not that anything's wrong with that, but Yoshi having his series separate is a bit of a stretch, considering there isn't a single Yoshi game that doesn't hint to the Mario franchise. At least Donkey Kong and Wario took things into their own hands.

And to stay on topic: Ridley is cool.

Your point? Zelda references Mario all the time. Should we be considering Zelda under the Mario header now? Also, the only thing Yoshi's Story really had was Baby Bowser. It didn't feature Mario at all.

I understand where you're coming from, but adding another DKC character would hardly constitute adding another Mario character. The only reason DK is considered a spinoff is because the original Donkey Kong game featured a character who evolved into Mario, but the DKC series, and DK64, have nothing to do with the Mario universe.

And to remain on topic: Ridley is ****ing awesome.

 

[IsmaR]

Don't ****ing say that, you should be hoping for the absolute best scenario instead of settling for a lot less.

Anything less than a playable Ridley is settling for the absolute minimum. Plus all Ridley incarnations are amazing. Even Rodley.

Enjoy the lack of satisfaction.

Enjoy your Chrom on the cob.

And to stay on topic: Ridley is cool.

 

[PlayerOneTyler]

...touché.



Your point? Zelda references Mario all the time. Should we be considering Zelda under the Mario header now? Also, the only thing Yoshi's Story really had was Baby Bowser. It didn't feature Mario at all.

I understand where you're coming from, but adding another DKC character would hardly constitute adding another Mario character. The only reason DK is considered a spinoff is because the original Donkey Kong game featured a character who evolved into Mario, but the DKC series, and DK64, have nothing to do with the Mario universe.

And to remain on topic: Ridley is ****ing awesome.

Oh, I'm not arguing that there shouldn't be more characters directly or indirectly related to the Mario franchise, I'm just saying that I feel like they separated franchises like that so they COULD add more without feeling like they're giving Mario and friends too much attention.

Also, your point about Zelda is totally irrelevant. Having Baby Bowser as the main villain is a HUGE reference to the Mario franchise. I mean it's baby BOWSER, and it's the MAIN ANTAGONIST of the game! That hardly compares to a miniscule reference.

And I stated my stance on Donkey Kong and friends. He got his street cred for straying from Mario (even though K. Rool, Dixie Kong, and some others were playable in that one Mario Baseball game for Wii, but whatevs!). I'm just saying that originally in Smash 64, Donkey Kong and Yoshi could have EASILY been included under the Mario franchise. I'm just assuming they just chose otherwise so that they could easily expand that part of the roster.

Also, I guess I'll go ahead and say I'm 90% sure Ridley will make it or else Sakurai is an asshole.

 

[AnOkayDM]

Oh, I'm not arguing that there shouldn't be more characters directly or indirectly related to the Mario franchise, I'm just saying that I feel like they separated franchises like that so they COULD add more without feeling like they're giving Mario and friends too much attention.

Also, your point about Zelda is totally irrelevant. Having Baby Bowser as the main villain is a HUGE reference to the Mario franchise. I mean it's baby BOWSER, and it's the MAIN ANTAGONIST of the game! That hardly compares to a miniscule reference.

And I stated my stance on Donkey Kong and friends. He got his street cred for straying from Mario (even though K. Rool, Dixie Kong, and some others were playable in that one Mario Baseball game for Wii, but whatevs!). I'm just saying that originally in Smash 64, Donkey Kong and Yoshi could have EASILY been included under the Mario franchise. I'm just assuming they just chose otherwise so that they could easily expand that part of the roster.

Also, I guess I'll go ahead and say I'm 90% sure Ridley will make it or else Sakurai is an *******.

To be fair, in Link's Awakening, there are literal Goombas and Piranha Plants, but yeah, that does pale in relation to Baby Bowser.

It would feel weirder to have DK under the Mario header than Yoshi, I think, especially if they planned on expanding the series later. Having Diddy and Dixie under the Mario logo would have been simply wrong. Yoshi...well, he originated in a Mario game and his own series has very few other characters that could rep it, so I could understand putting him under Mario. But I'm glad he has his own logo.

I'm a hundred percent positive that Ridley should be in the game and could definitely be made to work as a fighter, but my confidence that he will be isn't as high as yours. Nevertheless, at this point I still find it likelier than not.

 

[Deleted member]

Chrono claims that Sakurai doesn't realize the ****storm he's causing?

I disagree.
I think Sakurai is completely aware of the ****storm he's causing. That's why he's causing it.

 

[Deleted member]

@ChronoBound: On the contrary, I would be surprised if Sakurai didn't know that Ridley has a huge fan base outside of Japan. If Ridley is a stage hazard and Sakurai wasn't aware of his popularity, I believe that he would have been shown nonchalantly on Pyrosphere already.

I think Sakurai is building up something he believes will be big for Ridley fans. Like you, I'm crossing my fingers that Ridley is playable.

 

[ChronoBound]

I think Sakurai is building up something he believes will be big for Ridley fans. Like you, I'm crossing my fingers that Ridley is playable.

Being a stage hazard is a step down from having two boss fights in Brawl, so I don't see why he is bothering to hype it up.

I disagree.
I think Sakurai is completely aware of the ****storm he's causing. That's why he's causing it.

This makes no sense.

Why would Sakurai want to bring attention to something of which is going to make a lot of people angry (stage hazard Ridley). I think if Sakurai does know if Ridley is highly requested that most people rather have him playable rather than in a nonplayable just like every other highly requested character.

Moreover, being a stage hazard might actually be a step down from being a boss.

 

[Deleted member]

The ****storm he's causing is in regards to his teasing.
He knows full well what he's doing there.

As for the stage hazard bit, since it's not actually confirmed, it need not apply.

 

[Anomilus]

I said this on the previous Pyrosphere stage comments...

Unless I'm mistaken, there has yet to be ANY character that has been "nonchalantly" revealed. Every single character we've seen so far, playable or not, has either appeared via an official trailer or via a "Warning: Challenger Approaching!" DOJO reveal. From the extremely significant and exciting reveal of Mega Man and a surprise showing of Yellow Devil to a simple appearance of a Nintendog and Conductor Toon Link, to the appearances of Pikmin & Olimar, Luigi, and Peach. Stages have been revealed nonchalantly. An item's effect was shown in a simple manner. But no actual visible characters!

My point is this: I originally theorized, as with everyone else, that the more Pyrosphere pics we got without any visual evidence of Ridley being a stage hazard, the more likely his chances were for being playable. But now I theorize that we're NEVER going to see a picture of Ridley revealed so plainly. I surmise whatever Ridley's roll is going to be, it will be revealed in a trailer. Whether it's Ridley's official newcomer trailer or whether it's a trailer that takes the opportunity to unveil his status as a stage hazard, or otherwise, we can't say.

But I'm banking on nothing substantial being revealed via a regular daily update.

 

[Johnknight1]

MegaMan had popularity in both the US and Japan though.

I don't give a flying piece of ten asses about POPULARITY!!!!

All I care about is gameplay. GAMEPLAY, GAMEPLAY, GAMEPLAY!!! All anyone should play about is GAMEPLAY, GAMEPLAY, GAMEPLAY!!! These are video games we're talking about, not some dumb stupid poll crap. Nobody wants to play as a character poll.

With characters that means skillsets, movesets, play styles, how they balance/work with other characters, and what new things they bring to the table.

Ridley is better than pretty much any other potential newcomer in those regard from an objective standard. He just is. This isn't some half-crapped out idea like Impa replacing Sheik that adds nothing to anything and does no one any good. This is a freaking character that could add a new dimension to a roster with how he plays, and it is quite easy to see it happening.

This isn't some stupid falsified popularity contest here I'm talking about, this is gameplay. And the fact that you are essentially using "too unhuman" as an argument shows me that you really aren't a lot smarter than the "too big" crowd.

We'll see what waste of words are when we'll see what role Ridley has.

You could as well be, you know, been wasting words for years?

I never wasted words because I talk about gameplay, not stupid fake as heck popularity contests. People want to play as characters, not vote for them.

 

[ChronoBound]

I think we are going to know Ridley's role in Smash 4 before the end of September...

 

[FlareHabanero]

Enjoy your Chrom on the cob.

Pass the butter.

 

[LiteTheIronMan]

all I'm saying, Samus and Captain Falcon have been the lone representative of their franchises since 64. Ridley is historically and canonically crucial to the Metroid franchise and is an infamous fan favorite. it will be appalling to say the least if he doesn't make it into Smash 4.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I rather have a Pichu-level crappy playable Ridley with duck-face than no playable Ridley at all.

You called, smoochums?

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

I really don't think Sakurai knows what kind of ****storm he is causing on the Western side of things. I think he knows that the the fanbase knows he is teasing a stage hazard version of Ridley, but I don't think he knows its causing ****storm because I don't think he is aware of how popularly requested Ridley is outside Japan.

I think he is aware to some extent how much the Western audiences want Ridley and what including/excluding Ridley could mean. Going from how many pictures of the Pyrosphere there has been, a lot of it concerns the background and nuances of the stage whereas other screenshots of Battlefield, Skyloft, the fighting ring, Geruda Valley, etc tends to focus on the fighters. What I am trying to say that Pyrosphere has received a large amount of attention concerning its background and layout compared to the other revealed stages. This is compounded by the fact that Ridley has yet to be deconfirmed, has been vaguely mentioned in a comment when Pyrosphere debuted, and that Ridley is highly requested in the West and slightly in Japan. When considering all of those things together, I think that Sakurai is at least aware what Ridley's inclusion/absence as a playable character in the game would mean to players. From what I can tell, there seems to be a larger emphasis on both Metroid as well as the possibility of playable Ridley this time around compared to SSBB. Maybe that's just me.

 

[Johnknight1]

Wii Fit Trainer may not be the best example. Let's say Ridley becomes a stage hazard, Sakurai is asked about it again in an interview, and responds with something like "We tried, but Ridley just doesn't mesh with the gameplay." Is there any doubt that every w**ker with a keyboard would preach this as objective truth and his exclusion as the right decision, just because Sakurai said so?

Yes, because most people will agree with his logic, just like they agreed with his logic with the Kirby franchise back before he quit, even though Kirby's Air Ride was meh, and Kirby games were getting stale.

Flash forward 10 years from Sakurai leaving Nintendo, and we just got probably the 2 best Kirby games ever, and the franchise has gotten way better.

I mean, aside from Melee (and according to some that other Smash game on the Wii), how many highly praised all-time classic games has Sakurai made=???

On top of that, he's just one man of many that have worked on multiple smash games. His role is very small all things considered.

I think we are going to know Ridley's role in Smash 4 before the end of September...

Nope. We won't know Ridley's role until 2014.

 

[AnOkayDM]

If Ridley is a stage hazard, I think it'll be shown in a daily picture. If he's playable, he'll get a trailer. But considering it's been weeks with numerous pictures of the stage and Ridley has not been shown, I think it's increasingly likely he's playable, and we'll see the trailer when Sakurai's ready.

A number of characters have been "deconfirmed" offhandedly in updates. Toon Link probably won't be playable since he's on a stage (though there's always the slight chance since he's a straight model rip and a playable Toonie would not be). Sakurai offhandedly mentioned Viridi by name in one of the stage descriptions. Toad was shown off as one of Peach's moves still. (Yes, with the caveat that moves are subject to change, but if Toad was going to be in, he wouldn't be shown off in that manner at all, would he?) Ridley, while hinted at, was not mentioned by name, and Sakurai is clearly going out of his way NOT to confirm him as a stage hazard. So either he's being cruel to the Ridley fans by drawing out his deconfirmation over a period of weeks, or he's hyping us up for a playable appearance.

At this point I still find the latter likelier.

 

[Johnknight1]

Ok, then Ridley will be sucky. Facts remains that Sakurai probably thinks Wii Fit Trainer is more fitting than Ridley. And can you blame him? She's boring, but at least human thus easier to work with than purple space dragons.

When did you become an all knowing character design expert=???

I think that hole is just a way for Sakurai to show us the evolution of the stage graphics, and that he's able to do more than he ever could for Brawl.

Which is funny because the graphics aren't all that great. They still look like current PS3 and Xbox 360 graphics. Granted, the game isn't complete, but it isn't anything spectacular to look at other than to know that there's an area we likely won't see, possibly when the stage or the background chances or transforms.

Then again, the jump from the skinny white GameCube with motion controls to the PS3 and Xbox 360 is a pretty big jump.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I still really want Ridley, but my hopes for him have honestly diminished a bit. I will ECSTATIC if he is playable, but let's just say at this point that I won't be surprised if he isn't playable.

I think we are going to know Ridley's role in Smash 4 before the end of September...

What makes you think that?

 

[?????????????]

Random (but still on topic) tangent:

I remember I was once on Miiverse, when someone suggested that the best way to incorporate Ridley was to make it Samus' new Final Smash. I believe the quote was:

"Maybe Samus could ride a ridley! Can you imagine that? If her final smash was riding a ridley!"

 

[KingofPhantoms]

My birthday is in two days.

Even I don't know how I'll react if Ridley gets revealed on that day.

 

[IsmaR]

Pass the butter.

All we have is SRoy sauce.

 

[Johnknight1]

Bodyshape definitely isn't aesthetic alone though. By far not. Bodyshape got Captain Falcon in. It got Ganondorf in. Probably Sheik and Zero Suit Samus to. Mewtwo and Lucario beingg bipedal and being able to punch and kick also helped them (outside of popularity)..

Nope. Captain Falcon got in because Sakurai essentially made him a power ranger, and Ganondorf only got in because he was an easy clone. Ganondorf is the only case where you are right.

Sheik got in because she is Zelda and Sakurai clearly wanted a ninja character, and Zero Suit Samus got in because Sakurai clearly wanted to show Samus' other side, and he wanted a futuristic ninja-esk moveset.

All of that stuff goes back to those characters being mega popular and either an empty slate, being an easy clone, or being totally unique, of which Ridley is definitely totally unique and also could function to an extent as an empty slate.