DarkKnight077
Smash Lord
No johns. : P
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Umm...Aren't you just so witty and sharp, maybe you should go read up some, rather than trying to show off in front of the "kids".
0_o Holy crap. Being nice and considerate when giving my opinion actually changed someone's mind or made them listen to me? I should try this more often. I'm glad you bothered to read the article.Yup you were right, even at the end he goes on to explain that hes not talking down to scrubs hes simply explaing how one does simply not know how to play on a competitive level.
Pause. What was your problem with the game? I'll be honest, I haven't completed it yet because I'm in school and need to concentrate on school work. And then when I have free time, I've got other games I like to play too. Bioshock requires me to sit down and decide I'm going to play that game for a couple of hours, which I generally can't do. But what is wrong with Bioshock and being considered art? Did you think Shadow of the Colossus wasn't art either (although tbqh, I think SotC is more art than Bioshock)?This lack of maturity manifests itself in the actual products (Bioshock = Art? No.).
Should I care? The guy's an idiot.Congratulations! You are living proof of this fellow's example. Rather than constructively disagreeing or anything even moderately amiable, you tear him to pieces. ~85% of this community is the same way. Ironic that you tried so hard to disagree with him, and ultimately ended up proving him right. I salute you.
Scrub =/= NewbieI think that your inability to reasonably, or intelligently defend your point is a sad sight indeed. But please don't go spouting off about how a thread should be closed simply because you disagree with it. Learn to cope with other people, nothing in life is spoon fed to you, so let's grow up a little bit.
If a scrub was always a scrub then no one would be considered good or elite, because that is where we all start. But why am I explaining this to you? Since you're obviously well-learnt in the habits of scrubs.
Because that's how the game is. Did we ban chaingrabbing the Fastfallers in Melee (something half the cast could do)? Did we ban Sheik's chaingrab on half the cast (and dthrow into Bair/Uair on almost everyone else)? Did we ban the Ken-combo which ended in a Spike in PAL (which worked on literally everyone)?But competitive play is only really competitive if it's fair. You can play to win, but most games are built around the concept that the competition should be as unbiased as possible for each competitor.
All we have to do is weed out this one measly chain grab, and bam! Two characters are playable, giving more options for competitive play, and everyone is happy.
Thanks, its real easy ain't it, but really thanks two seconds of hey your really should read this for *insert reason here* does help a person rather then hey your a ****ing idiot do this.0_o Holy crap. Being nice and considerate when giving my opinion actually changed someone's mind or made them listen to me? I should try this more often. I'm glad you bothered to read the article.
omglol I thought the same thinglol this is from GameFAQs
Yes, Brawl is community. >_>
Most other infinites have an eventual stopping point because of an external condition (reaching the end of a stage, not in the correct % range, etc.). THIS NEVER ENDS. With the campy playstyle prevalent in Brawl getting shield-grabbed is inevitable and Ness and Lucas if this exploit is sanctioned will be dropped from competitive play entirely because no one wants to go into a tournament expecting to have a good time and possibly win something only to be eliminated by a jerk who takes advantage of programming oversights.Ness and Lucas are meant to be chaingrabbable by a few characters because of the way the game is programmed. Live with it. Or stop being a hypocrite and advocate the banning of all infinites. It's either banning all or none.
I'm sorry, what? Infinites never end. Infinites that can be used to stall out the entire match are banned past 999% because of stalling (though I think it should be lowered to 300% because you're guaranteed to die there, anyway).Most other infinites have an eventual stopping point because of an external condition (reaching the end of a stage, not in the correct % range, etc.). THIS NEVER ENDS. With the campy playstyle prevalent in Brawl getting shield-grabbed is inevitable and Ness and Lucas if this exploit is sanctioned will be dropped from competitive play entirely because no one wants to go into a tournament expecting to have a good time and possibly win something only to be eliminated by a jerk who takes advantage of programming oversights.
It's not THAT uninviting.The communities other problem: We tend to be very VERY VERRRRY uninviting to newer players. Like it or not, the community needs newer players to join to replace the number of players that eventually leave for whatever reason. I understand that the pros of Melee have taught many of us that "honor" gets you nothing but defeat etc., but lets leave the "hold nothing back" and "play to win" mindsets in the game itself. Your opponent is going to know that you're holding nothing back when you infinite chain grab them, knock them off stage and then gimp them at 50%, but you then can turn to your opponent and comment them on a job well done. You can tell them what's wrong with their playing style of course, but "You suck! You should stop playing this game" won't help their game at all. Most players are already trying their hardest to become good at the game and your fighting and ruthless words are not helping.
The community needs to transfer this general ideology and apply it to their thread making as well. Not every post needs to contain a personal attack, even if what you say is true, the truth can STILL hurt. Harsh critiquing shouldn't hurt a player, but telling a person that they need to work on spacing doesn't require the word scrub used in the sentence.
Do any of you ever get a headache from reading these arguments all the time or is just me?
YES. A THOUWSAND TIMES yes.There is a difference between being completely unhelpful(ie a jerk) and giving out negative criticism. Many on these boards do not know the difference, mostly because they think they're good and they're really not.
quoted for truthThe problem with Brawl is not the community: the problem with Brawl is Brawl.
This made me chuckle.Sakurai thinks all of you are winners. ;D
Sorry. For whatever reason, my brain was equating chain grab with infinite...bleh.I'm sorry, what? Infinites never end. Infinites that can be used to stall out the entire match are banned past 999% because of stalling (though I think it should be lowered to 300% because you're guaranteed to die there, anyway).
The same logic can be applied here. It's OK to grab release infinite Lucas and Ness 'til they reach a given % (300 or 999), just like it's OK to wobble people 'til they reach 999%. Most people will stop wobbling (and any other infinite) you once you reach KO-percentage because they don't want to risk screwing up and instead go for the guaranteed KO.
This infinite is not new. There are plenty other infinites that are either true infinites requiring no setup or wall-infinites in existence already. We just regulate at which point they have to end.
I was told to read the Sirlin teachings that you all adhere to, and I did, and that's what he said, so deal with it. Everyone starts as a scrub, even you.Should I care? The guy's an idiot.
Scrub =/= Newbie
Not all players started out as Scrubs. At my first tournament (a very friendly one with very few participants, a token prize and Single Elimination), I lost to a Captain Falcon who chaingrabbed my Peach into Fair repeatedly. What did I do? Try to come up with counter-strategies and trained to become better.
I had only been playing Smash for 3 days. And my spontaneous reacting was "I'll try to get better at this game and be able to beat that strategy one day!".
please don't start.The problem with Brawl is that it sucks and it's boring.
No he didn't. He never said "everyone starts out as a scrub"... and I'm a living example of someone who was never a scrub.I was told to read the Sirlin teachings that you all adhere to, and I did, and that's what he said, so deal with it. Everyone starts as a scrub, even you.
1) Not being nice =/= Being rudeYuna, I have been reading up a bit and I must say that a large majority of your posts are quite rude, or somehow sexually oriented. It has become quite apparent that you aswell as many others think very highly of themselves, and quite the opposite of others. In honesty I don't appreciate your calling me an idiot, nor the people who respond in my topic cows or other rude, derogatory names. Stop using your "sex" as a tool to win over sexually deprived nerds, and grow up.
Sirlin is not perfect, he's only human. He eventually goes on to contradict himself in that same paragraph when he describes what a scrub actually is... and not all people start out a scrub."In the world of Street Fighter competition, we have a word for players who aren't good: "scrub." Now, everyone begins as a scrub---it takes time to learn the game to get to a point where you know what you're doing."--Sirlin
Either way this topic should about wilt away and fade into oblivion since I've seen some advancements with the whole Ness/Lucas thing, and I believe a topic already exists regarding all chain grabs/ infinites..soo, yeah.