The Phantom Mafia - So This Is How Liberty Dies

[Fire Emblemier]

Oh, right, thanks for clearing Nabe

Vote: Z25

also

You guys need to read my posts

Shish if z25 was mafia (could disable lightsabers and thus clearing nabe) why wouldn't he target people he disabled?

 

[Z25]

Oh, right, thanks for clearing Nabe

Vote: Z25

also

You guys need to read my posts

So your aware of my bulletproof and your honestly going to still say I’m scum?

Your reaching just as much as nabes last post.

My actions are already confirmed.

Also we have established the night before we lynched third they likely did the kill since moy was disabled.

And because I was redirected from moy last night that leaves moy very capable of attempting to kill fire.

After all getting rid of a redirector would be very helpful.

But moy was uninformed of last night actions which is why they failed. Nabe knew the plan, I knew the plan, and fire did.

So knowing that why the hell would I waste a kill on a bulletproof I gave someone if I knew about it?

The most likely suspect here is moy

 

[Z25]

A thought just hit me.

So shish your a gambler eh?

You know what they do right? The multiply the numbers games?

So you gonna admit to swaying the vote yesterday for some reason?

 

[Moydow]

A thought just hit me.

So shish your a gambler eh?

You know what they do right? The multiply the numbers games?

So you gonna admit to swaying the vote yesterday for some reason?

I think what he's trying to say is that his bomb claim was a bluff, and bluffing is a necessary skill in gambling. So basically he's trying too hard to emulate his husbando Joshua. :p

I don't believe it implies anything about him having tampered with the vote.

 

[Deleted member]

Nabe is definitely clear because either Z25 is the last scum or Z25 cleared him.
Moydow saw Nabe's Gray action correctly.
FE is a redirector and we know that to be fact.

Z25 is the only one that makes sense, there's literally no reason for a Mafioso to tie up two Town players lynches instead of saving the ability for themselves.

Shish if z25 was mafia (could disable lightsabers and thus clearing nabe) why wouldn't he target people he disabled?

Because it's likely a bull**** fakeclaim

So your aware of my bulletproof and your honestly going to still say I’m scum?

Your reaching just as much as nabes last post.

My actions are already confirmed.

Also we have established the night before we lynched third they likely did the kill since moy was disabled.

And because I was redirected from moy last night that leaves moy very capable of attempting to kill fire.

After all getting rid of a redirector would be very helpful.

But moy was uninformed of last night actions which is why they failed. Nabe knew the plan, I knew the plan, and fire did.

So knowing that why the hell would I waste a kill on a bulletproof I gave someone if I knew about it?

The most likely suspect here is moy

You attempted to give the BP to me, did you not? Then FE's redirect screwed up your plan of killing whoever else

A thought just hit me.

So shish your a gambler eh?

You know what they do right? The multiply the numbers games?

So you gonna admit to swaying the vote yesterday for some reason?

Reading comprehension much?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

2) why hide the fact the bulletproof was damaged nabe? Mafia likely wouldn’t target the same person twice in a role.

Wagers are double-blind. The mafia could have thought that Fire successfully defended the wager, leaving the bulletproof intact. If they thought it was still in place, they wouldn't bother. It's when it comes out that the BP has been cracked that returning to Fire becomes a valid play.

Give me one good reason why the hell a mafia would have a givable bullet proof?

Kon was a mafia traitor with the ability to duel anyone he wanted. One of four scum having a BP makes it slightly less likely that Kon would cripple the mafia by misfiring. And it doubles as a seemingly pro-town ability that can build cred with others. But we've had three or four town protective roles flip already.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Vote: Z25

 

[Deleted member]

Also, fyi, we CAN survive another mislynch.
If we do mislynch toDay, we go into 3v1 for the Night and unless Mafia has a secret double kill ability, it's basically game over at that point

 

[Z25]

Wagers are double-blind. The mafia could have thought that Fire successfully defended the wager, leaving the bulletproof intact. If they thought it was still in place, they wouldn't bother. It's when it comes out that the BP has been cracked that returning to Fire becomes a valid play.


Kon was a mafia traitor with the ability to duel anyone he wanted. One of four scum having a BP makes it slightly less likely that Kon would cripple the mafia by misfiring. And it doubles as a seemingly pro-town ability that can build cred with others. But we've had three or four town protective roles flip already.

My role is basically the town version of kons.

I already told you this. I had the option to fight for someone, disarm lightsabers or keep my bp or give it away for protection.

 

[Deleted member]

. I had the option to fight for someone,

You mean a Town ability we've already seen flip?

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

I had the option to fight for someone

I forgot that you claimed this.

Is it similar to the ability that Maven flipped?

 

[Z25]

Nabe is definitely clear because either Z25 is the last scum or Z25 cleared him.
Moydow saw Nabe's Gray action correctly.
FE is a redirector and we know that to be fact.

Z25 is the only one that makes sense, there's literally no reason for a Mafioso to tie up two Town players lynches instead of saving the ability for themselves.

Because it's likely a bull**** fakeclaim

You attempted to give the BP to me, did you not? Then FE's redirect screwed up your plan of killing whoever else

Reading comprehension much?

Why would I add lightsaber disarm to my fake claim if I could prove myself with a bp? That makes no sense.

And if I was mafia it would have been pretty clear that nabe would be my first pick.

No offense nabe.

And when I flip town I hope you enjoy being lynched. Because you and moy will not be proven claims. And with your desire to bus and kill me it won’t look pretty for you.

 

[Z25]

I forgot that you claimed this.

Is it similar to the ability that Maven flipped?

i have to review mavens again so give me a few. I have to shower real quick.

 

[Z25]

You mean a Town ability we've already seen flip?

-yeah like that one time there were four ****ing doctors. That’s not a valid excuse shish

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

And if I was mafia it would have been pretty clear that nabe would be my first pick.

First pick for what?

 

[Moydow]

So if it can't be me, it can't be FE, it can't be Nabe, and it can't be Shish, then that leaves only one option.

Once you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth.

Vote: Z25

 

[Fire Emblemier]

If it is z25, then I would be so annoyed at myself over the mislynch yesterday

 

[Z25]

First pick for what?

If I had a kill. That mean but i don't mean any offense by it.

Also another thing we should question.

According to Moy, she can detect the alignment of players but also their color alignment.

And me, shishoe, and nabe all have the same alignment. Now if we are all claiming town, the likely answer at this point is that we are town.

Actually there's something I want to ask about the alignment check.

Moydow where does the color grey come from with these checks?

 

[Moydow]

[QUOTE="Z25, post: 22529272, member: 233216]According to Moy, she can detect the alignment of players but also their color alignment.

And me, shishoe, and nabe all have the same alignment. Now if we are all claiming town, the likely answer at this point is that we are town.

Actually there's something I want to ask about the alignment check.

Moydow where does the color grey come from with these checks?[/QUOTE]
The Grey result I got on Nabe comes from the alignment of the ability he used. Not his own alignment.

 

[Moydow]

Fixing broken post:

According to Moy, she can detect the alignment of players but also their color alignment.

And me, shishoe, and nabe all have the same alignment. Now if we are all claiming town, the likely answer at this point is that we are town.

Actually there's something I want to ask about the alignment check.

Moydow where does the color grey come from with these checks?

The Grey result I got on Nabe comes from the alignment of the ability he used. Not his own alignment.

 

[Z25]

[QUOTE="Z25, post: 22529272, member: 233216]According to Moy, she can detect the alignment of players but also their color alignment.

And me, shishoe, and nabe all have the same alignment. Now if we are all claiming town, the likely answer at this point is that we are town.

Actually there's something I want to ask about the alignment check.

Moydow where does the color grey come from with these checks?

The Grey result I got on Nabe comes from the alignment of the ability he used. Not his own alignment.[/QUOTE]
Hm interesting. My alignment is light and my two skills come up with light alignments when used.

This would mean Nabe overall has a gray alignment.

 

[Moydow]

Hm interesting. My alignment is light and my two skills come up with light alignments when used.

This would mean Nabe overall has a gray alignment.

Except ability alignment doesn't in of itself suggest the player's alignment. We've had Opossum flip with a Light alignment despite having a Dark ability (his duel).

Plus if Nabe himself had a Grey alignment, I'd have gotten a "not same alignment" result when I checked you against him.

 

[Fire Emblemier]

My redirect is considered grey despite myself being of the light alignment.

 

[Z25]

Except ability alignment doesn't in of itself suggest the player's alignment. We've had Opossum flip with a Light alignment despite having a Dark ability (his duel).

Plus if Nabe himself had a Grey alignment, I'd have gotten a "not same alignment" result when I checked you against him.

This is true, but what if we've looked at this the wrong way.

What if Nabe's a 3rd party hidden amongst the town?

After all even when he "trusted" me last night he wouldn't claim whatever he did to fire and you(?)


Grey is a color meant for inbetween. So it fits a third party perfectly. Also nabe's actions as stated by @Shishœ would actually make sense if Nabe is 3rd party. His abilities are likely to interfere.

All he's been claiming publicly is the ability to meditate for points. Now don't you find that a little strange? After all I'm viewed as scum, yet I haven't been interfering with lynches by making someone beg to left alive in exchange for their ability use.

Nabe has also been behind the plans to pin you as a potential mafia.

Now what would all that meditating need to be done for?

I think the answer is obvious, to use on skills that are solely meant to **** with the town.

Knowing vaan and his love of star wars.

IF there's a third party its jar jar based on original plan to make him a sith, the fact that he's hated but always there, and how he someone ****s things up while also somehow "helping" the jedi.

Meanwhile I claimed my full abilities for quite some time and hid nothing from people outside of my bp which we know all know is true.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

All he's been claiming publicly is the ability to meditate for points. Now don't you find that a little strange?

Fire and Moydow both know my claim, though.

 

[Moydow]

Grey is a color meant for inbetween. So it fits a third party perfectly.

My abilities are classed as Grey too, though my own alignment is Light. Again, ability alignment doesn't say anything about the player's own alignment or affiliation. At most a result of Dark would strongly suggest whoever I targeted used a malicious action such as a duel, but even town players have those so it's not conclusive.

 

[Z25]

Fire and Moydow both know my claim, though.

Yes but there should be no reason to hide a claim at this point. Everyone else knows each other's full claims publicly. We've established time and time again that that's a scum move. @Shishœ definitely knows this, and Moy should too at this point,

Also since I finally found Maven's death page:

There is a cold silence in the Jedi Temple.
Master YODA has felt a great disturbance in
the Force, and fears what may be the cause . . . .


​

Master Yoda enters the Temple, and discover the body of a fallen Jedi. He pulls back the Jedi's hood to discover @Maven89.

Spoiler: Maven

KI-ADI MUNDI

The third highest ranked member of the Jedi Council, Ki-Adi Mundi is a wise and respected strategist known for his prowess at
commanding an army into battle.

Your Allegiance is to the JEDI
Alignment Checks come up as LIGHT
Your Lightsaber is YELLOW
_________________________________________________________________

"But what about the Droid attack on the Wookies?"
NIGHT ACTION - LIGHT
Once per night, you can choose a player you suspect is in danger, and join up with them if they are
challenged to a duel. You will each submit Force Point wagers anonymously that will be added together
to be measured against the challenger. If together you lose the wager, you will die instead of the
player you protect.

POWERED UP: For 2 Force Points, you can meditate all night. You will be informed which Jedi specifically,
if any, is challenged to a duel, and have the opportunity to run to their side and join them in the duel.

"I sense a plot to destroy the Jedi."
NIGHT ACTION - LIGHT
Once per night, you may block one player from performing their night action.

You have 12 FORCE POINTS at your disposal.

WIN CONDITION: All threats to the Jedi Order have been eliminated.

"A terrible loss for the Jedi Order, this is."

Yoda hangs his head in mourning, but before long, he is approached by a temple guard. "Master Yoda... There is another."

The temple guard escorts Yoda down a long hallway, where a second body lies. Yoda pulls back the Jedi's hood to reveal @Opossum.

Spoiler: Opossum

ANAKIN SKYWALKER

The youngest member of the Jedi Council, Anakin has much yet to learn about the ways of the Jedi. He's arrogant, headstrong
and argumentative, but at heart he's a good man.

Your Allegiance is to the JEDI
Alignment Checks come up as LIGHT
Your Lightsaber is BLUE
_________________________________________________________________

"I'll try spinning, that's a good trick!"
NIGHT ACTION - LIGHT
Once per game, if you are challenged to a duel, you can activate this power to avoid it completely.
This counts as your action for the night, so if you have used another action during the phase, you
cannot use this.

"They underestimate my power!"
NIGHT ACTION - DARK
Once per game, you can initiate a duel with another player.

"I see through the lies of the Jedi!"
NIGHT ACTION - LIGHT
Once per night, you can check one statement you've received from another player to see if it
is the truth. Only one detail can be proven correct or incorrect per statement, and if a statement
include more than one, you must specify which is which.

For example. "I am Anakin Skywalker, Lie Detector."

This statement has two details: the character claim, and the role claim. Only one can be checked,
and you must specify which.

This check does not find objective truth, but truth from the perspective of the person you're
checking.

For example. Player A tells Player B he is a roleblocker, but in truth, he is a cop. Player B
says to you, "Player A is a roleblocker." If you check this statement, it would result as "True,"
because it is true to the best of Player B's knowledge, even though it is factually false.

POWERED UP: For 3 Force Points, you can use this ability to check the validity of a single post
made during the previous day phase.


You have 7 FORCE POINTS at your disposal.

WIN CONDITION: All threats to the Jedi Order have been eliminated.

THE PHANTOM MAFIA
EPISODE III: ANI, ARE YOU OKAY?​

Day 3 lasts 48 hours and ends on 10/4 at 6pm PST.​

Unlike Maven's ability I don't have to wager any points. As head guard I can fill in and the attacker won't die by neither will me or who I'm protecting.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Knowing vaan and his love of star wars.

IF there's a third party its jar jar based on original plan to make him a sith, the fact that he's hated but always there, and how he someone ****s things up while also somehow "helping" the jedi.

Not relevant, but funny:

....**** it.
Vaan. Make me Jar Jar.
Meesa gonna have some funsa with that!

Well wasn’t JarJar gonna turn out to be Sith before they dumped his *** cause fans hated him?

Yes, yes he was.

His goofy fighting style was meant to be a reference to the Drunken Fist (because yes, every clumsy maneuver was originally very intentional) and he used the Force in really subtle ways too.

No, no he wasn't, lol. That dumb theory gives Lucas far too much credit.

 

[Moydow]

Unlike Maven's ability I don't have to wager any points. As head guard I can fill in and the attacker won't die by neither will me or who I'm protecting.

So basically a doc? Why would that be worded as you fighting for somebody, instead of something like coming to their defence, or shielding them?

 

[Z25]

So basically a doc? Why would that be worded as you fighting for somebody, instead of something like coming to their defence, or shielding them?

I wouldn't really say it's a doctor. I was given only one sentence for my guard ability and asked for more clarification.

Although bodyguard is a sort of doctor. Its meant to go hand in hand with the bullet proof I had.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

After all even when he "trusted" me last night he wouldn't claim whatever he did to fire and you(?)

Sorry, but I didn't trust you last Night, and telling you invalidates its only purpose. Telling Moydow was a mistake, too, but at the time I didn't have any reason to think otherwise, and I told her in order to keep Fire accountable to that Night's plan.

I'm viewed as scum, yet I haven't been interfering with lynches by making someone beg to left alive in exchange for their ability use.

That was mostly in jest, which is clear from the sentence I wrote immediately afterwards, where I said I literally couldn't back up the silly offers I was making.

Nabe has also been behind the plans to pin you as a potential mafia.

You make process of elimination sound really nefarious here, dude.

 

[Moydow]

I wouldn't really say it's a doctor. I was given only one sentence for my guard ability and asked for more clarification.

Although bodyguard is a sort of doctor. Its meant to go hand in hand with the bullet proof I had.

If your ability
- prevents someone from dying
- doesn't kill you in the process
- doesn't kill the attacker

Then it's more like a doc than a bodyguard. If it was a bodyguard, then you'd take the hit and die instead, but you'd probably also be allowed to wager points in your defence. Which is what Maven's ability was.

The wording you're claiming here just doesn't add up to me.

 

[Z25]

Sorry, but I didn't trust you last Night, and telling you invalidates its only purpose. Telling Moydow was a mistake, too, but at the time I didn't have any reason to think otherwise, and I told her in order to keep Fire accountable to that Night's plan.

If you cared that much about your "claim" you would have thought more about it. Your basically a pro at this and played quite a few games. You wouldn't make a mistake like that with your experience.

And it still doesn't change that it makes you think less of helping the town.

With me flipping town, that means the only one who doesn't know your claim is shishoe.

Now are you going to sit here and tell me he's scum? I don't think you are.

So that means your claim is now in the hands of the remaining mafia.

Which if your not the last one, then your ****ed.

And I find it hard to believe you'd be so protective of something like this.

Not to mention I found it odd you had to ask if my ability could be blocked last night.

If you trusted everyone else then you wouldn't have any reason to think they can stop my disarm. Unless you've got something that you wanted to see if it would stop me just in case.

Fire Emblemier Moydow @Shishœ if you all have town intent, then I suggest you take my words into consideration.

and especially think about the claim Nabe gave you.

No one would claim like that without something to hide. You've made one mislynch in the final stretch already, are you really going to allow it again?

I haven't tried to hide, and made my views and actions quite clear, do you really think that's something a scum would do?

Not to mention we have to consider, where did that magical silencer come from day one?

Why was Nabe not warned for talking when he couldn't have. Do you really buy he spent 10 force points to talk? That's a high as hell number and when most users haven't had past the teens in terms of force point numbers, this should be considered quite a lot.

We've had most of the roles flip and there was no sign of a silencer ever again. Its clearly an act meant to add to Nabe's town ****ery more and try and make him look town.

Ignore me if you wish, but I know what's true and when I flip town maybe his charade will finally end.

Vote:Nabe

 

[Z25]

If your ability
- prevents someone from dying
- doesn't kill you in the process
- doesn't kill the attacker

Then it's more like a doc than a bodyguard. If it was a bodyguard, then you'd take the hit and die instead, but you'd probably also be allowed to wager points in your defence. Which is what Maven's ability was.

The wording you're claiming here just doesn't add up to me.

Well like I

If your ability
- prevents someone from dying
- doesn't kill you in the process
- doesn't kill the attacker

Then it's more like a doc than a bodyguard. If it was a bodyguard, then you'd take the hit and die instead, but you'd probably also be allowed to wager points in your defence. Which is what Maven's ability was.

The wording you're claiming here just doesn't add up to me.

I suppose that's true. All my skill said was this:


Cease Hostility,

one per night I'm able to fight in a player's stead if they are challenged to a duel.

I have no way to tell if someone is but it doesn't say I suffer any reprcautions should I fail. When I asked vaan about it, he said that for a single use my BP would protect me from dying in a fight but the attacker would live and the original target.

The original statement doesn't really confirm what would happen to me outside of this. So I figured I wouldn't die.

 

[Z25]

Ignore the first quote, my post was cut off originally so I had to reload to fix.

 

[#HBC | Nabe]

Why was Nabe not warned for talking when he couldn't have. Do you really buy he spent 10 force points to talk? That's a high as hell number and when most users haven't had past the teens in terms of force point numbers, this should be considered quite a lot.

It's 1 Force point for every 10 words, rounded up per post.

I'll think about claiming. To say more about it than that is inviting unnecessary WIFOM into the Night phase if you were to flip town.

 

[Z25]

It's 1 Force point for every 10 words, rounded up per post.

I'll think about claiming. To say more about it than that is inviting unnecessary WIFOM into the Night phase if you were to flip town.

It's 1 Force point for every 10 words, rounded up per post.

I'll think about claiming. To say more about it than that is inviting unnecessary WIFOM into the Night phase if you were to flip town.

IF that's the case, what set you free?

Because no way do you have the force points to keep talking. You had to have done something to change that.

 

[Z25]

Also this is probably going to be my last post till the end of the phase because I don’t feel like dealing with obvious scum moves that control the rest of the town.

But I’ll say this,

Fire Emblemier Moydow @Shishœ do you all really trust nabe?

A man who blatantly used a vote increase on me so that he could use my skill at night, and frame me as mafia again today?

He led a campaign in the last 15 minutes to save me, the “last” “scum”

Now why the hell would a “townie” save someone he’s convinced is mafia?

They wouldn’t. That is unless it’s scum looking to use what’s basically a meat shield so they can buy themselves another day.

Not to mention he got rid of Alpha the one role he couldn’t contain. All it would take is Alpha to track him and it would all be over. He couldn’t make up some bs statements like “oh it doesn’t give a message when someone is disarmed! It must be a lie!”( when that’s literally the dumbest claim I could as mafia if I couldn’t prove it. On top of the fact that’s exactly how a ****ing roleblock works).

You all have let him manipulate in some simplely pathetic ways that no scum should have gotten away with.

It’s easy to piece together how this has come together and why Nabe is scum. But apparently no one wants to listen until I’m dead. Even though there has literally been no valid reason to kill me.

But whatever. Once again this vote shouldn’t matter but I’m putting it down anyway:

Vote: Nabe

And if anyone thinks I would genuinely up my votes as scum and draw attention to it by saying they only way things will change is with a tie,

Then I honestly have no words. I’d think I’d be viewed as a better player then that. No way is an actual scum going to make something that obvious.

It’s pretty clear that triple vote bs was used just to make me guilty and setup me to be Nabe’s shield today.

I really need to trust gut more. This is the third game where I could have anhilated scum with my ability but been talked out of choosing said scum.

That won’t happen again

 

[Deleted member]

Vote: Z25

 

[Moydow]

do you all really trust nabe?

I don't think it's about trusting him; rather that the evidence suggests this is the strongest lead we have right now.

In any case, unless the remaining mafioso somehow is able to kill two of us in the night, we can afford one more mislynch and still be able to win. So if you do flip town, then by the following day it should be clear who our target should be.

And if anyone thinks I would genuinely up my votes as scum and draw attention to it by saying they only way things will change is with a tie,

Then I honestly have no words.

If your votes weren't boosted, then you would have been lynched. If you are the last mafioso, then obviously you'd use whatever tool was available to you to increase your chances of survival.

How come you didn't fight against your lynch yesterday like this? Maybe because you knew you had a way out of it?