~The Olimar Matchup Thread~Review: R.O.B. or someone~

[DtJ Hilt]

...lucas boards came to a conclusion on the matchup. We discussed it in their boards. look through their pages for it.

It's 50:50.

 

[ElemMasterZeph92]

So what are we gonna do: discuss Lucas or Lucario?

Either one is fine but I want to know which one we should focus on

 

[DtJ Hilt]

...we're discussing lucario. as far as i know, an official matchup number hsant been decided on. lucas was brought up by jog (i have no idea why xD), but it was never decided he would be the next to discuss, neither is he being discussed now.

but lucario has been having discussion for the past few pages.

 

[asob4]

lucario is 60/40 us
lucas is probably 65/35 us

i've only played oats once, and i had match up knowledge johns
awex probably knows the match up best

 

[DtJ Hilt]

lucario is 60/40 us
lucas is probably 65/35 us

i've only played oats once, and i had match up knowledge johns
awex probably knows the match up best

65:35?
xD

too good.


lucario as 60:40 us makes sense. lucario boards agree with it too from what they've said.

 

[asob4]

yeah
i really think it's 65/35
if MK can't handle the camp, what makes you think lucas can?

 

[jog]

i just brought up lucas because i thought they never decided that match up and i figured we reached an end to lucario since both sides decided on 60-40 and also one of my friends mains lucas so we were both trying to think of a ratio to stick on it and we came up with 60-40 olimar but i think 63-35 is pretty good too. but there's no way its 50-50.

 

[asob4]

there's nothing he can do vs a camping olimar...
nair? pivot grab
PK fire? ours are faster and stop his
fair? more pivot grab

 

[|RK|]

Yeah, I'm down with 60:40 I suppose. Now, stop being lazy and change your thread's title! jkjk

 

[asob4]

nah, that's how we roll

 

[Cheeri-Oats]

65:35? Sounds about right.

Money match, Skank at SCSA or Quizno's? $2-3 dollars? Neutrals only, my Lucas vs your Olimar. And Awex/RichBrown/Mr. X must watch and cheer you on, so in the case that I do win, all you b****** can huddle and learn.

 

[DanGR]

Are we discussing Lucas next? The Lucas boards covered it pretty well, but I disagreed about how well Lucas can approach and the overall matchup ratio. I thought it was around 60-40 to 65-35 Olimar. :/

 

[jog]

i was just throwing lucas out as an idea for the next discussion, i don't really think we're discussing him... but i think we should after lucario is finalized

 

[Zori]

are we really 40-60 with shiek?

 

[asob4]

65:35? Sounds about right.

Money match, Skank at SCSA or Quizno's? $2-3 dollars? Neutrals only, my Lucas vs your Olimar. And Awex/RichBrown/Mr. X must watch and cheer you on, so in the case that I do win, all you b****** can huddle and learn.

i'm scared of your lucas >.< lmao

if i have money i guesss....
you're too gewd oats pro!

 

[DanGR]

are we really 40-60 with shiek?

I'm pretty sure that when both know the matchup well, it's an advantage for Sheik. We discussed it some a while back in our little meetings in an xat chat room. I was the only one really talking though. >_>

The main problem is that all of her aerials can be spaced on Olimar's shield well enough that she can jab directly afterwards to disrupt any shieldgrabs. And since she has an infinite jab, it's impossible to shieldgrab through both the aerial and jabs and get away with anything. After she's done jabbing, she can simply short hop another spaced nair (which will beat out Olimar's upsmash and unless I'm mistaken, will trade hits with uptilt) and do it all over again.

Pivotgrabbing works to an extent, but the Sheik player can simply land on the ground when he sees Olimar run backwards and she can just throw needles at Olimar. To make it even worse, this is a great setup for even more nair->jabs.

She's basically a faster Luigi without the kill power.

 

[Dyyne]

She's basically a faster Luigi without the kill power.

But better edgeguarding potential. Although I don't know too much about the matchup itself, but that should also be considered.

 

[DanGR]

But better edgeguarding potential. Although I don't know too much about the matchup itself, but that should also be considered.

Yeah, that's one of the bigger points as well. It's not too big of a deal if you can time whistles well, but you've got to take into account that she's quick enough in the air to bait whistles and then double jump->fair to punish it. yup.

 

[XienZo]

researching time :D


edit: tried it out and cant figure out how you got it to work XienZo O_o

any trick involved before the pikmin is thrown? Or a video?

When I tried it with the purple by itself, i'd whiff the smash. And when i tried it with other pikmin in my line at the same time, it would use those pikmin. I even tried whistling in a certain way, as well as throwing the pikmin and using chain while it was returning, to make the purple be the next in line to be used.

One pikmin, toss over Lucario, get Olimar to stand so close to the (max aura) aura sphere that its practically touching his nose, spam up smash as it runs into the sphere. Eventually, I'd get the pikmin to up-smash in the weird high, parabolic path and kill Lucario.

Its totally useful if you happen to be playing as the Lucario as well as the Olimar.

 

[Bestiarius]

Olimar vs. Kirby-Oli has a counter" move

OK, so I was looking at our matchup against Kirby and I noticed something missing. I know this probably shouldn't be a new thread, but the Kirby discussion is buried waaaaaay back in week 7 and I think this should somehow get known. Olimar's grab counters Kirby's fsmash and probably anything else low enough to be grabbed. My best friend mains Kirby and I couldn't ever beat him with Olimar. Then I discovered this. After about 4 fights, on his last life, I had knocked him off the stage. I was at 2 stocks left, and he didn't even try to recover. he just gave up. He spams fsmash, and now had no resources. Overswarm calls this soul-crushing. That's the practical and psychological effect of our grab on Kirby. Soooooooo, I think the matchup is a lot better for us than previously believed. Comments?

 

[Olimarman]

I really don't think kirby is too hard in the first place. >.< But yes pivot grabbing is pretty effective.

 

[Bestiarius]

Not even pivot grabbing. It just grabs him out of his smashes. The Kirby boards say they're 60-40 vs. us and I think our matchup thread is something like that, just with difficulty and strategies, not numbers. I think this completely turns those numbers on their heads.

 

[DanGR]

Just... grab? Am I missing something?

Btw, the discussion on Lucario in the matchup thread has basically come to an halt/end. There's nothing wrong with posting this sort of thing in there.

 

[Bestiarius]

No, if he comes at you with a fsmash, just grab him. It never failed on me. I don't think I'm missing anything, but it's like a perfect counter move. It probably works against his bair too if he's close enough to the ground, since the Kirby boards suggest spamming that against us.

 

[Bestiarius]

DanGR told me to post this here, since the discussion is pretty much dead about Lucario.

Olimar's grab goes through Kirby's fsmash and grabs him. It's like a perfect counter move. It also probably goes through his bair, since the Kirby boards suggest spamming that against us.

 

[DanGR]

Well, if you can see or predict an fsmash and you have time to grab to beat it out, shielding comes out more quickly- 9 frames faster I believe.

 

[Bestiarius]

Yeah, but Kirby's fsmash is not an extremely fast move, and I think landing a free attack is worth more than shielding, especially one that comboes as well as Olimar's grabs.

 

[DanGR]

Shielding his fsmash->shieldgrabbing. It takes 9 less frames to shield the attack rather than to grab first, and then you can grab all you want. >_>

 

[gantrain05]

Not even pivot grabbing. It just grabs him out of his smashes. The Kirby boards say they're 60-40 vs. us and I think our matchup thread is something like that, just with difficulty and strategies, not numbers. I think this completely turns those numbers on their heads.

um...kirby is definately disadvantaged vs olimar, i don't see where they get advantage, but they don't have a single safe approach, and kirby is not that hard to kill.

 

[Bestiarius]

Well, the hitbox for Kirby's fsmash stays out insanely long, so it's tricky to shieldgrab. He can practically fsmash right after the hitbox disappears. it's almost as broken as Olimar's. I just find it easier to grab than to shieldgrab.

 

[gantrain05]

Well, the hitbox for Kirby's fsmash stays out insanely long, so it's tricky to shieldgrab. He can practically fsmash right after the hitbox disappears. it's almost as broken as Olimar's. I just find it easier to grab than to shieldgrab.

i just pivotgrab anything kirby does on the ground, if he's in the air, our Utilt or Uair will beat him out.

 

[Bestiarius]

They get their advantage from believing that his bair is so broken taht it beats anything we do. Go figure.

 

[gantrain05]

They get their advantage from believing that his bair is so broken taht it beats anything we do. Go figure.

lol, bair is too predictable, honestly its only really good vs olimar once he's offstage, and kirby is gonna have one hell of a time getting him there.

 

[Bestiarius]

I know, but that's their panacea approach.

 

[asob4]

pyronic star beating chu dats should be reason enough to call it our favor
if only 55/45

 

[Bestiarius]

Plus, Kirby doesn't strike me as especially ligthning-quick in the air either, so he seems pretty easy to "combo," even if not truly. It still is easy to rack some serious damage on him.

 

[ItoxBlade]

dude u can nair the foward B <.< put that on MK guide to win

 

[Bestiarius]

You mean Kirby's forward b?

 

[asob4]

the ONLY thing MK can do is nado spam

i have gotten this from top MK players on the WC (DSF, Tyrant) and that is the only way they can beat me and rich
but rich beat tyrant recently, i didn't see D:

 

[Bestiarius]

I'll believe it when I hear M2K agree .
But, really, nobody likes the Caped Crusader. They just play him because he's easy to use.