The Sauce Boss
Smash Ace
I don't think you know what a frame trap is.
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The Old Diddy Social/General/Q&A Thread
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Dekar173
Justice Man
Diddy does have frame traps in the air, like MK's uair > react accordingly to punish an airdodge.
Except his require bananas :D
Gnes
Smash Master
Wait for it......
Bam...hes right Sauce. But not like mk's up air...u can just throw that **** out anywhere and it fits.
Dekar173
Justice Man
Now the thing is, your opponent still has options depending on the spacing, they can instant throw the naner back at you, but you can then just catch it with an aerial (which WILL hit them, if spaced properly) and you win in that situation despite them being pretty bad ***.
Because Diddy isn't the only one that can actually use naners ;P
Because Diddy isn't the only one that can actually use naners ;P
ChocoNaner
Smash Journeyman
or you can just give them the naner volunterily then punish since most people that aren't diddy users don't know how to use em--effectively. :I
The person I knew that was working on Diddy hitboxes stopped talking about it sadly
As my first one I might pick up where he left off actually
Dekar173
Justice Man
That just means you're not a threat to them placing well.
@Bionic- That makes me very happy :D
Esca
Smash Champion
Dekar, are you goin' to HOBO? 
Gnes
Smash Master
Ill beWINTERFEST comin...imma show my single nanner lockin skills thar
CRASHiC
Smash Hero
you got the double off on me when I was just sitting there mashing grab cause of my first time butterflies
double nanner lock is a autopilot thing for every diddy bro its k o.o
AND CAPE CORAL MAN...i seriously drove 8hrs just for it.
im practicing this single nanner thing down tho lol...why hasnt anyone bothered using it. its soooo safe *sarcasm
AND CAPE CORAL MAN...i seriously drove 8hrs just for it.
im practicing this single nanner thing down tho lol...why hasnt anyone bothered using it. its soooo safe *sarcasm
iFudge
Banned via Warnings
Ight well i been maining diddy since like October of last year. but im still kinda of a stand still i quitted brawl for 5 months. and i just came back a month, and I see alot of diddy has change? Like instant throw and i see we're implanting z-throwing more.
Is there anywhere i Can So i can get updated and which is more important to master.or should I just be watching adhd and try figure what hes doing.
thanks in advance.
Is there anywhere i Can So i can get updated and which is more important to master.or should I just be watching adhd and try figure what hes doing.
thanks in advance.
Coyn3Masta
Smash Journeyman
Watch recent tourney videos that are up by Diddy players, and read the stickied threads.
DUB
Smash Lord
We haven't really done much with SNL ever since it came out. I'm not too sure it will even be used.
It's just that it doesn't enter our minds to use it yet. We always see Dash Attack - UTilt/USmash/Aerial or Grab as a better and more common combo. Combined with SNL's difficulty, and setup abilities, it's quite situational, like grabbing Sonic off of his spring.The wall infinite is still a VERY viable choice though. I highly doubt we won't use SNL for infiniting at least. It removes the DI from the technique. All you need is X/Y and CStick timing.
On another note, SNL can be started OoS, so if someone approaches your shield, you can shield the dash attack/jump over the whiffed grab, or any other situation that you can punish. If you could start SNL out of shielding a nanner, that would be sexy. :S
Something really weird just happened. I was screwing around with Diddy on BF against a CPU Wolf. I was above the platform started to use Up B and he hit me with blaster. I started going upwards while charging? I'll try and get a video up later.
Hobs
Smash Journeyman
He hit you first, then you dj-ed and rbb at the same time.
Older than my grandmother.
DUB
Smash Lord
You don't need shuttle loop when you have popgun.
Dekar173
Justice Man
Depends, is he crossing up? OoS usmash
Do you have a naner in hand? OoS naner
As for sideB, just keep blocking all of it, and if you DO get caught, DI away from Marth and you'll be setup to follow up against his dancing blade :D
lol theres no such things as cross ups in brawl o.o or is there!? i usually upsmash after powershielding the 2nd fair, and hmm will the 2nd option (out of shield naner) put him in the position to trip him or give him a combo start such as naner>fair etc etc and will there be a risk of him instant catching it such as him pressing A or Z?
and **** dancing blade...its so lol
ty tho this info shall be used to beat chaz >_<
and **** dancing blade...its so lol
ty tho this info shall be used to beat chaz >_<
chimpact
Smash Lord
Apparently you dont know what a cross up is ^
DUB
Smash Lord
Dodge, Duck, Dip, Dive, and Dodge.
Dekar173
Justice Man
http://www.geocities.jp/kuso_dwi_lovers/list.html
Those crazy Jappers have done it again!
Apparently, ONLY WHEN DYING VERTICALLY should Diddy use an aerial + FF to momentum cancel.
If you're dying horizontally, you should airdodge > DJ
Crazy!
Those crazy Jappers have done it again!
Apparently, ONLY WHEN DYING VERTICALLY should Diddy use an aerial + FF to momentum cancel.
If you're dying horizontally, you should airdodge > DJ
Crazy!
Player-1
Smash Legend
....I don't get it...
btw diddy's dair and momentum canceling abilities for anyone who still doesn't know
Dekar173
Justice Man
BUT you're able to airdodge 12 frames before you're able to aerial.
So basically, airdodge counts as a 27 frame aerial, for doing anything for momentum canceling (like DJ).
So basically, airdodge counts as a 27 frame aerial, for doing anything for momentum canceling (like DJ).
Cool story bro.
T.T in a NORMAL 2d fighting game a cross up is where the opponent is forced to change position of blocking to the opposite side because the opponent forces him to. brawl does not do that lol. u have a shield that covers ur whole body plus the game doesnt force u to look at ur opponent constantly
tl:dr version...meh?
btw airdodge...wtf
Dekar173
Justice Man
If someone crosses up you have to buffer the turn around in order to grab, that's the whole point of cross-ups in brawl :D
Like, if someone just lands in front of me, I shieldgrab and have my way with them.
If someone lands behind me though, I am forced to either oos usmash or oos throw naner, depending on the situation.
Ingulit
Ing-u-lit
What P1 said: I'm remembering the whole D-Air momentum canceling idea too. There was a post awhile back showing how you could survive horizontal knockback longer with D-Air rather than B-Air, even though it is slower. With that knowledge out there, even though it is even considerably slower than AD, could D-Air still be a better option?
&& Why does it momentum cancel at all in the first place?
EDIT: Wut we have mods now
**** that means far fewer peanuts being shot
&& Why does it momentum cancel at all in the first place?
EDIT: Wut we have mods now
**** that means far fewer peanuts being shot
Dekar173
Justice Man
I just spent about 30 minutes testing everything, and it would appear that-
Airdodge > doublejump > smash forward B
is the best way to momentum cancel if you're dying horizontally.
Vertically, it's still just bair or dair, as you're able to fastfall while performing your aerial.
Airdodge > doublejump > smash forward B
is the best way to momentum cancel if you're dying horizontally.
Vertically, it's still just bair or dair, as you're able to fastfall while performing your aerial.
Luigi player
Smash Master
Yeah that makes sense, but you should usually DI to the top corners of the blastzone, because it's the most far away point from your position... and in this case it's best to bair & fastfall & DJ (& sideB).
I don't get how dair would be better than bair+fastfall, because from my testing it isn't. It doesn't have any special properties, it just fastfalls automatically and the people that found out it "momentum cancels better" probably just never fastfalled the other aerials or something... <_<
But I noticed something... if you get hit into a top corner and bair +fastfall then double jump I died immediately after using the DJ, but when I waited a little bit before using the DJ I survived (without the double jump and only a dair or bair+fastfall I died). I also survived using fair(&fastfall) and then DJ, you just have a wait a little bit before double jumping... the thing with dair is, it has so much ending lag that if you DJ after it immediately you'll survive.
And you only die from bair+DJ, because you DJ too early.
I could also survive with airdodge+fastfall and dj, but I also had to wait a little bit before DJing or else I died. (this testing was done at 160 % (middle of FD, MK did dsmash on Diddy (training mode)); I ALWAYS held up on the controlstick while getting hit)
At a bit later % (165)... you can't survive with airdodge then fastfall and DJ. No matter what I did I always died.
I could survive with dair+dj and bair+fastfall+wait a bit + dj and with bair+fastfall+sideB.
At 170 % I couldn't survive with dair because it has too much ending lag. But I could survive with bair+fastfall+waitjustalittlebit+sideB (DJ KOd me). It was also possible to survive with fair+fastfall+DJ+sideB...
172 % I could also survive with bair+fastfall+waitjustalittlebit+sideB, fair had too much ending lag.
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