The Old Counter Game

[sonofthesky]

@ Lanturn

Raikou@Choice specs
252 sp atk 252 speed 4 hp
~Hp Ground
~Shadow ball
~extrasensory
~ Thunder bolt
Pressure

Seeing how I suck at pokemon, This might not work.

 

[0RLY]

When you use Choice specs, you have to tell us which move you're going to use.

 

[sonofthesky]

When you use Choice specs, you have to tell us which move you're going to use.

Hidden power ground.

 

[Cease Tick]

You have to successfully switch in on any of my attacks.

I could. I switch into ANY attack, go next, and use Power Swap. Power Swap, while giving me your attack, will ALSO give you my mediocre 148 attack. your next attack can't kill because of your severly weakened attack. But w/e, it's fine

EDIT:

Raikou@Choice specs
252 sp atk 252 speed 4 hp
~Hp Ground
~Shadow ball
~extrasensory
~ Thunder bolt
Pressure

Meganium w/ Leftovers
252Hp/4SpAtk/252SpDef
Overgrow/Calm
-Light Screen
-Synthesis
-Toxic
-HP Ground
With 328 SpDef & Light Screen, your attacks do little damage. Toxic will eventually kill you. HP Ground is SE, but it's mostly for Poisons and Steels. There is an easy counter for this.

Also, ORLY, where do you find those calculators? I'd love it if you posted links

 

[0RLY]

I could. I switch into ANY attack, go next, and use Power Swap. Power Swap, while giving me your attack, will ALSO give you my mediocre 148 attack. your next attack can't kill because of your severly weakened attack. But w/e, it's fine

I forgot to calculate that... I feel extremely stupid now. Power Swap for competitive battling!

EDIT:

Meganium w/ Leftovers
252Hp/4SpAtk/252SpDef
Overgrow/Calm
-Light Screen
-Synthesis
-Toxic
-HP Ground
With 328 SpDef & Light Screen, your attacks do little damage. Toxic will eventually kill you. HP Ground is SE, but it's mostly for Poisons and Steels. There is an easy counter for this.

Also, ORLY, where do you find those calculators? I'd love it if you posted links

Crobat @ Life Orb
Modest/Inner Focus
252sp.atk/252spe/6hp
-Nasty Plot
-Hypnosis
-Shadow Ball
-HP (Ice)

Weird set, but it's meant to counter my counters. Sleeps you and sets-up. Then sweeps with horrible coverage.

The calculator I use... http://ownpurpose.com/damage_calculator_test.php
- It's easy to use, unlike other calculators
- It has a Pokemon stat calculator included
- It looks prettier than the other calculators on the first page of Google
- The link isn't 5 paragraphs long

 

[Cease Tick]

Crobat @ Life Orb
Modest/Inner Focus
252sp.atk/252spe/6hp
-Nasty Plot
-Hypnosis
-Shadow Ball
-HP (Ice)

Lol @ (AT, not and) your set being SE against eveyone w/Insomnia.
Jolteon w/ Choice Specs
Timid/Volt Absorb
252SpAtk/252Spe/6Hp
-Thunder Bolt
-Hp Ice
-Shadow Ball
-Hyper Beam
Wow, his movepool sucks. Outspeeds and OHKOs. Too tired for anything better.

Sorry for the "@" thing. ATTACK OF THE GRAMMAR NAZIS!!! Anyway, awesome calculator, I love it. And for Girafarig, I Omitted the fact that I couldn't attack because you'd kill w/ Sucker Punch

 

[Pika25]

Jolteon w/ Choice Specs
Timid/Volt Absorb
252SpAtk/252Spe/6Hp
-Thunder Bolt
-Hp Ice
-Shadow Ball
-Hyper Beam
Wow, his movepool sucks. Outspeeds and OHKOs. Too tired for anything better.

Resisted by this guy,

Magnezone w/leftovers
32 Attack, 252 Sp At, 224 Speed Naive
Trait : Magnet pull
Thunderbolt
HP grass
Magnet Rise
Explosion

Resists your Jolteon's moveset (all four moves) and takes it down with HP. I am no magnezone expert though.

 

[Cease Tick]

@ Magnezone:

Gardevoir w/ Leftovers
Trace/Calm
152Spd/160SpAtk/198SpDef
Hypnosis
Will-O-Wisp
Psychic
Focus Blast

I outspeed by one point, and Focus Blast is a 1HKO. Even if I miss, you only have an 11% chance of 2HKOing me.

 

[MysticKenji]

@ Magnezone:

Gardevoir w/ Leftovers
Trace/Calm
152Spd/160SpAtk/198SpDef
Hypnosis
Will-O-Wisp
Psychic
Focus Blast

I outspeed by one point, and Focus Blast is a 1HKO. Even if I miss, you only have an 11% chance of 2HKOing me.

Cresselia @ Leftovers
Levitate/(+Sp. Def -Attack)
4 HP/252 Sp. Defense/252 Sp. Attack
-Shadow Ball
-HP [Fight]
-Moonlight
-Sleep Talk

lol stall war

 

[RedPeppers]

@ Cressy

Roserade @ Leftovers
Nature: Modest
Abilityoison Point
EVs: 252 Sdef / 252 Satk
Toxic
HP Fight
Synthesis
Shadowball

OU lately guys? Poisons, and hits with SE Shadowball. Synthesis to heal off my own damage.

 

[0RLY]

A lotta OU Pokemon here...

Jolteon should've held a Lum Berry in case it switches into Hypnosis.

I may counter later...

 

[RedPeppers]

My apologies ORLy. I thought Roserade was BL, but smogon was down, so I couldn't check.

 

[TehBo49]

@ Roserade

Muk @ Leftovers
Brave
Sticky Hold
252 HP/68 Atk/188 Sdef
Poison Jab
Ice Punch
Brick Break
Shadow Punch

Muk is immune to Toxic, resists HP Fighting, & can take several hits from Shadow Ball. Ice Punch takes off a good chunk of Roserade's HP & Shadow Punch on the next turn prevents healing with Synthesis.

 

[0RLY]

@ Muk:

Hitmontop @ Leftovers
Impish/Intimidate
252 HP/192 sp.def/64 atk
-Earthquake
-Counter
-Hi Jump Kick
-Stone Edge

Intimidate weakens your atk. Counter or EQ to KO.

 

[M.K]

@ Muk:

Hitmontop @ Leftovers
Impish/Intimidate
252 HP/192 sp.def/64 atk
-Earthquake
-Counter
-Hi Jump Kick
-Stone Edge

Intimidate weakens your atk. Counter or EQ to KO.

@ Hitmontop

Mismagius @ Leftovers
Modest / Levitate
252 S. Attack/ 252 Speed/4 Defense
-Psychic
-Toxic
-Destiny Bond
-Shadow Ball

Earthquake is useless. Counter is useless. Hi Jump Kick is useless. Stone Edge can't kill me before I can kill you.

 

[TehBo49]

@ Mismagius

Weavile @ Expert Belt
Adamant
Pressure
60 HP/252 Atk/196 Spe
Night Slash
Aerial Ace
Brick Break
Ice Punch

Shadow Ball is resisted, Psychic does nothing, & Night Slash OHKOs.

 

[RedPeppers]

@ Roserade

Muk @ Leftovers
Brave
Sticky Hold
252 HP/68 Atk/188 Sdef
Poison Jab
Ice Punch
Brick Break
Shadow Punch

Muk is immune to Toxic, resists HP Fighting, & can take several hits from Shadow Ball. Ice Punch takes off a good chunk of Roserade's HP & Shadow Punch on the next turn prevents healing with Synthesis.

How does Shadow Punch stop me from healing?

 

[0RLY]

@ Red Peppers: It doesn't. He probably meant Shadow Sneak, so he could hit you before you recover.

@ Mismagius: Destiny Bond is useless in the counter game

Umbreon @ Leftovers
Sassy/Synchronize
252 HP/200 Atk/56 Sp.Def
-Curse
-Payback
-Moonlight
-Taunt

Poison me if you dare. Curse boosts my power and drops my speed, which is ideal for a STAB Payback.

CMON GUYS! NO MORE OU!

 

[RedPeppers]

@ Umbreon
Poliwrath @ Leichi Berry
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Water Absorb
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe 6 Hp
Belly Drum
Hynosis
Waterfall
Brick Break

Should work, I'm not running calcs or anything.

 

[0RLY]

@ Poliwrath:

Drifblim @ Lum Berry
Modest/Unburden
252hp/176spe/80sp.atk
-Shadow Ball
-Thunderbolt
-HP (Fight)
-Hypnosis

One of my favorite Pokes! Liechi+Belly Drum is useless. Outspeeds by one point, Hypnosis activates unburden to outspeed just about everything. If you belly drum, you fall into Tbolt's ohko range. Hypnosis returns the sleep and sweeps from there.

 

[Pika25]

@ Poliwrath:

Drifblim @ Lum Berry
Modest/Unburden
252hp/176spe/80sp.atk
-Shadow Ball
-Thunderbolt
-HP (Fight)
-Hypnosis

One of my favorite Pokes! Liechi+Belly Drum is useless. Outspeeds by one point, Hypnosis activates unburden to outspeed just about everything. If you belly drum, you fall into Tbolt's ohko range. Hypnosis returns the sleep and sweeps from there.

is this the time for pika?

Pikachu timid
@Light ball
252 spe / 252 sp at
static
Grass Knot
Hidden Power (Ice)
Sub
Tbolt

Pika out pace , Sub to avoid hypnosis , Tbolt OHKO

How else would drifblim win ?

Edit , is this a real counter ?

 

[zrky]

is this the time for pika?

Pikachu timid
@Light ball
252 spe / 252 sp at
static
Grass Knot
Hidden Power (Ice)
Sub
Tbolt

Pika out pace , Sub to avoid hypnosis , Tbolt OHKO

How else would drifblim win ?

Edit , is this a real counter ?

I see it as a good counter, grass not wouldn't work well since drifblim isn't very heavy. but the other attacks look good.

 

[0RLY]

is this the time for pika?

Pikachu timid
@Light ball
252 spe / 252 sp at
static
Grass Knot
Hidden Power (Ice)
Sub
Tbolt

Pika out pace , Sub to avoid hypnosis , Tbolt OHKO

How else would drifblim win ?

Edit , is this a real counter ?

Remember, you have to switch in successfully. If you switch into Hypnosis, well you have a 30% chance of attacking back. Counters need to guarantee the win. If you had a Lum Berry, it may work. But then, you wouldn't have enough power.

 

[Pika25]

Remember, you have to switch in successfully. If you switch into Hypnosis, well you have a 30% chance of attacking back. Counters need to guarantee the win. If you had a Lum Berry, it may work. But then, you wouldn't have enough power.

You're right. That's the true definition of a counter after all. Even if you Baton Pass a Substitute, would that not count? I think it would not. If that's the case, you'll need to post a true Drifblim counter (one that will switch in successfully, not a poke with horrible defenses and whatnot like Pikachu). Remember, there is still an übers counter game as well; however I don't know the last posted über.

 

[Platypus]

If you take the odds of Hypnosis working into account, there isn't sufficient chance of the lightning mouse surviving. So, against Drifblim:

Clefable w/Toxic Orb
(Opposite of Adamant)/Magic Guard
255 Sp. Atk./ 255 Sp. Def.
+ Charge Beam
+ Fling
+ Amnesia
+ Moonlight
Unfortunately for Drifblim (misleading name, BTW) there is no Hypnosis on a poisoned monster. Amnesia cancels Clefable's Fighting weakness, and, since I don't need the Orb, I can throw it. BLOUOUORP...

Ben Tucks says Steelix or Nests are next!

 

[0RLY]

If you take the odds of Hypnosis working into account, there isn't sufficient chance of the lightning mouse surviving. So, against Drifblim:

Clefable w/Toxic Orb
(Opposite of Adamant)/Magic Guard
255 Sp. Atk./ 255 Sp. Def.
+ Charge Beam
+ Fling
+ Amnesia
+ Moonlight
Unfortunately for Drifblim (misleading name, BTW) there is no Hypnosis on a poisoned monster. Amnesia cancels Clefable's Fighting weakness, and, since I don't need the Orb, I can throw it. BLOUOUORP...

Ben Tucks says Steelix or Nests are next!

I'm sorry, but did you seriously say 'Monster'? You've been playing too much Yugioh my friend. Opposite of Adamant is Modest. Toxic Orb activates at the end of your turn. Meaning, you could switch in, take the Hypnosis, and Toxic Orb would fail to activate. However, it takes me 4 hits to KO you and sleep only lasts 2-5 turns. The odds are in your favor for this one. I would probably get outstalled. BTW Flinging a Toxic Orb has only 30 base power. Ugh... I put too much thought into this.

@ Clefable:

Hitmonchan @ Salac Berry
Adamant/Iron Fist
48 HP/252 Atk/208 Spe
-Substitute
-Focus Punch
-Earthquake
-Ice Punch

Your attacks fail to break my substitutes. Ready, set, ****.

 

[Pink Reaper]

@Hitmonchan

Uxie@Leftovers
Modest/Levitate
252Hp/252SpAtk/4Def
-Substitute
-Calm Mind
-Psychic
-HP Ground

YOUR attacks fail to break MY substitutes. Ready, set, consensual sex.

 

[0RLY]

@ Uxie: And I thought Iron Fist STAB Focus Punch was unbeatable...

Honchkrow @ Life Orb
Lonely/Insomnia
252sp.atk/252atk/4spe
-Sucker Punch
-Drill Peck
-HP (Fight)
-Icy Wind

Immune to your attacks.

 

[M.K]

@ Uxie: And I thought Iron Fist STAB Focus Punch was unbeatable...

Honchkrow @ Life Orb
Lonely/Insomnia
252sp.atk/252atk/4spe
-Sucker Punch
-Drill Peck
-HP (Fight)
-Icy Wind

Immune to your attacks.

@Honchy

Probopass @ Leftovers
Relaxed/Magnet Pull
252 Sp. Attack/252 Sp. Defense/ 4 Defense.
-Earth Power
-Thunderbolt
-Sandstorm
-Rock Slide

:D Hopefully it works....I tried a Sp Attack and Attack Probopass!

 

[Pink Reaper]

@Honchy

Probopass @ Leftovers
Relaxed/Magnet Pull
252 Sp. Attack/252 Sp. Defense/ 4 Defense.
-Earth Power
-Thunderbolt
-Sandstorm
-Rock Slide

:D Hopefully it works....I tried a Sp Attack and Attack Probopass!

Nope. HP Fighting rips through you easily.

Edit: @Honchkrow

Politoed@Leftovers
252SpDef/252SpAtk/4Hp
-Surf
-Hypnosis
-Ice Beam
-HP Bug

I missed this game :D

 

[RedPeppers]

Yay Reaps is back!!

Just realized like every poke has been running hypnosis lately.....

 

[Pink Reaper]

Well, its the nature of the counter game. Due to the fact that your playing a game that forces your opponent to essentially be hit by any of your moves, having something like Toxic, Will-o-Wisp or Hypnosis on your pokemon basically shuts down alot of counters, and forces you to either choose a new pokemon or use a lum berry. You'll also notice an increase in the use of Substitute due to the fact that you can guarantee yourself the ability to use it.

It seems the basic idea when making a counter at this point is to chose something that can easily counter the current pokemon with one move, then give them moves that they wouldn't normally be able to use, like rock polish or swords dance, then another move for type coverage then a final move that will either guarantee perfect type neutrality or, if you cant manage that, either Substitute, Hypnosis, or one of the other useful status moves they learn.

 

[0RLY]

Nope. HP Fighting rips through you easily.

Edit: @Honchkrow

Politoed@Leftovers
252SpDef/252SpAtk/4Hp
-Surf
-Hypnosis
-Ice Beam
-HP Bug

I missed this game :D

Yeah, HP has a guaranteed 2hko.

@ Politoed:

Empoleon @ Petaya Berry
Modest/Torrent
28 HP/12 Def/252 SpAtk/216 Spe
-Agility
-Surf
-Substitute
-Grass Knot

Your strongest attack does around 10% hp. I can easily outstall your Hypnosis, throw up a sub, and blast away.

 

[Platypus]

To whom it may concern, I write "monster" because Pocket Monster is abbreviated as...you know. So they're monsters. I don't want to write "Pokemon" because I can never remember how to type the accent.

Against...Wait, Politoed didn't even have an ability!
...Against Empoleon:

Parasect w/Focus Sash
Adamant/Dry Skin
255 Atk./ 55 Sp. Def./ 200 Speed
+ Spore
+ Bullet Seed
+ Dig
+ Aerial Ace
I don't think I even need EVs. Eventually, Bullet Seed will kill you, I assume. The Focus Sash is just for the next counter.

 

[Pink Reaper]

Yeah I keep forgetting to put abilities on my counter ^^;

Anyways

@Parasect(Which would actually counter with Dig btw)

Hypno@Life Orb
Modest/Insomnia
252Hp/252SpAtk/4Spe
-Nasty Plot
-Hypnosis
-Psychic
-HP Electric

Immune to sleep, and you lack any Bug STAB moves to hit me with.

 

[0RLY]

It sucks how Dark types aren't immune to Hypnosis despite it being a Psychic attack.

Cacturne @ Lum Berry
Adamant/Sand Veil
252atk/104spe/152hp
-Substitute
-Focus Punch
-Sucker Punch
-Leech Seed

Resists your moves. Outspeeds by one point. Lum Berry cures sleep, sub prevents future sleep, Sucker Punch to take you out if you attack me.

 

[Mr.Postman]

Toxicroak @ Life Orb
Dry Skin
Jolly
4 Def / 252 Atk / 252 Spd
- Sword Dance
- Cross Chop
- Stone Edge
- X - Scissor

Resists all moves.
Out Speeds and one hits with X - Scissor.

 

[Pink Reaper]

@Toxicroak

Wormadam-G@Leftovers
252Hp/252Def/4Atk
Bold/Anticipation
-Earthquake
-Rock Blast
-Rest
-Toxic

Wow this things a piece of ****. Oh well, it stalls you....thats about it.

 

[Mr.Postman]

Garchomp @ Yache Berry
252 Atk/252 Spd/4 HP
Jolly/Sand Viel
-Outrage
-Fire Blast
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge

Garchomp "lols" at Wormadam (Most pokemon do)


Well this is kinda cheap.
Since there really isnt a "counter"
but if you want I will change it to...

Vapporeon @ Left Overs
252 Def/188 HP/68 SpAtk
Bold/Water Absorb
-Wish
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-HP Electric

 

[Pink Reaper]

Garchomp @ Yache Berry
252 Atk/252 Spd/4 HP
Jolly/Sand Viel
-Outrage
-Fire Blast
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge

Garchomp "lols" at Wormadam (Most pokemon do)

Everyone ignore this^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^