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The Old Counter Game

0RLY

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@ Sableye:

Shuckle @ Cutsap Berry
Gluttony/Impish
252hp/252atk/6def
-Power Trick
-Earthquake
-Stone Edge
-Substitute

My defenses are too good for you to pierce on your own. Power Trick to get godly atk that even Deoxys-f would be jealous of. Cutsap Berry ensures I get to attack first at least once. I'm feeling generous. Whoever counters this gets an amazing cookie, courtesy of 0RLy.
 

zrky

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@ Shuckle

Claydol@Leftovers
Levitate/Bold
252Hp/252SpAtk/6Spe
-Cosmic Power
-Recover
-Earth Power
-Ice Beam

With leftovers calced in you cant 2HKO meaning I can stall you out of Power Trick with Recover then hit you when it ends.
Porygon-Z@Scope Lens
Adaptability/Modest
220Hp/252SpAtk/!50Speed
-Dark Pulse
-Conversion2
-Blizzard
-Lock On

First Lock On, then Blizzard or Dark Pulse should do the trick, since Claydol is at a disadvantage to dark and Ice. If necessary Conversion2.
 

0RLY

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Its not temporary? Oh well then i OHKO you. Also, ive lost my internet for a while so i'll be unable to counter for a while :(
1hko? I have 496 sp.def!! Power Trick only swaps physical attack and physical defense. With Earth Power you're only doing 19%-23%. I do 38%-44% using Stone Edge, meaning a guaranteed 3hko.

EDIT: Uhh... nvm Stone Edge only has a paltry 8 PP. Recover has 20 PP, I think.

Here is your cookie... bigger is always better.
 

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Smash Ace
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@Porygon-Z(WHICH IS OU, WHICH IS SORT OF BANNED RIGHT NOW. Also, Porygon-Z doesn't get Trace)

Bastidon@Leftovers
Sassy/Sturdy
252Hp/252SpDef/6Def
-Iron Defense
-Toxic
-Rest
-Taunt

And there it is.
Nidoqueen@Leftovers
Modest/Poison Point
252SpAtk/252Hp/6Spd
Earth Power
Toxic
Ice Beam
Taunt

Laughs at your Toxic and hits with 4x STAB Earth Power. Taunts if necessary.
Lucario would have worked so well here.
 

ES Lite

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@ Nidoqueen:

Weezing @ Black Sludge
Levitate/Bold
252hp/252sp.atk/4def
-Will-O-Wisp
-Thunderbolt
-Flamethrower
-Pain Split
 

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Smash Ace
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@ Weezing:

Claydol @ Lum Berry
Levitate/Calm
252SpDef/168SpAtk/90Hp
Psychic
Ice Beam
Safeguard
Heal Block

Blocks Pain Split, and Safeguards against WoW. Psychics till you die.

EDIT: Smash Child!
 

0RLY

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@ Claydol:

Sharpedo @ Salac Berry
Rough Skin/Lonely
172 Atk/160 Sp.Atk/176 Spe
-Hydro Pump
-Ice Beam
-Earthquake
-Endure

Did nobody notice the cookie?
 

RedPeppers

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@ Claydol:

Sharpedo @ Salac Berry
Rough Skin/Lonely
172 Atk/160 Sp.Atk/176 Spe
-Hydro Pump
-Ice Beam
-Earthquake
-Endure

Did nobody notice the cookie?
@ Sharpedo

Surskit @ Life Orb
Nature: Adamant
Ability: Swift Swim
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Hp / 6 Def
Bug Bite
Quick Attack
Secret Power
Thief

Surskit has like no physical moves lol. Bug Bite is a 2HKO I steal the the Salac berrys speed boost with bug bite to get the 2nd hit in. I don't think Sharpedo can do anymore than 3HKO. Fun counter that one was.
 

0RLY

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@ Surskit: I can't believe I got countered by Surskit...

Ursaring @ Leftovers
Guts/Adamant
252atk/252spe/6hp
-Swords Dance
-Close Combat
-Shadow Claw
-Scary Face

Multi-purpose rapist. Pedobear wants you. 999th post...
 

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@Ursaring

Sableye @ Iron Ball
Brave / Stall
252 Attack/152 Defense/104 HP
-Punishment
-Fling
-Shadow Claw
-Brick Break
@Sableye:

Honchkrow w/Leftovers
Adamant / Insomnia
252 Attack/88 Speed/168 HP
-Drill Peck
-Sword Dance
-Will-O-Wisp
-Night Shade
Resists your STAB attacks and 2HKOs.
 

0RLY

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@Sableye:

Honchkrow w/Leftovers
Adamant / Insomnia
252 Attack/88 Speed/168 HP
-Drill Peck
-Sword Dance
-Will-O-Wisp
-Night Shade
Resists your STAB attacks and 2HKOs.
Incoming uncreative counter.

Glaceon @ Choice Specs
Snow Cloak/Modest
252sp.atk/252spe/6hp
-Ice Beam

I'm specs'd so I only have one move.
 

Pika25

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Incoming uncreative counter.

Glaceon @ Choice Specs
Snow Cloak/Modest
252sp.atk/252spe/6hp
-Ice Beam

I'm specs'd so I only have one move.
heatran @ Life orb
6 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe Modest
Trait: flash fire
-Earth power
-fire blast
-dragon pulse
-taunt (perhaps?)

Heatran quad-resist ice beam and OHKO back with Fire Blast.
 

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heatran @ Life orb
6 HP / 252 SpAtk / 252 Spe Modest
Trait: flash fire
-Earth power
-fire blast
-dragon pulse
-taunt (perhaps?)

Heatran quad-resist ice beam and OHKO back with Fire Blast.
Whiscash w/ Rindo berry
Oblivious/Adamant
116Hp/252Atk/140SpDef
-Earthquake
-Aqua Tail
-Rain Dance
-Tickle
Don't ask. Curse you, OU!
 

zrky

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Whiscash w/ Rindo berry
Oblivious/Adamant
252Hp/140SpDef
-Earthquake
-Aqua Tail
-Rain Dance
-Tickle
Don't ask. Curse you, OU!

Victreebell@Medow Plate
chlorophyll/Rash
120HP/252Sp.Atk/252Atk.
-Leaf Storm
-sleep Powder
-Sunny Day
-Solar Beam

fixed the attacks(wasn't paying attention) I don't see the extra 114 EV's
 

0RLY

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120hp+252atk+252sp.atk

I guess you should just remove that atk EVs since you aren't using any physical attacks.

Carnivine would've been a better counter since it levitates, so it takes no damage from eq instead of full damage. grs/poi ftl

counter:

Ariados @ Salac Berry
Insomnia/Adamant
252atk/244spe/12hp
-Sucker Punch
-Night Shade
-Poison Jab
-Natural Gift

4x resists grass and is immune to sleep. NG is 80/fight. Go.
 

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120hp+252atk+252sp.atk

I guess you should just remove that atk EVs since you aren't using any physical attacks.

Carnivine would've been a better counter since it levitates, so it takes no damage from eq instead of full damage. grs/poi ftl

counter:

Ariados @ Salac Berry
Insomnia/Adamant
252atk/244spe/12hp
-Sucker Punch
-Night Shade
-Poison Jab
-Natural Gift

4x resists grass and is immune to sleep. NG is 80/fight. Go.
Girafarig w/ Life Orb
Early Bird/Modest
4Hp/252Spe/252SpAtk
-Thunderbolt
-Reflect
-Zen Headbutt
-Power Swap
Outspeeds + is immune to Night Shade. Reflect + Power Swap weakens you and boosts me for the kill. It took me forever to come up w/ this.
 

0RLY

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I'm pretty sure Power Swap only trades stat boosts. Like +2 SD. I don't think it has anything to do with trading actual stat numbers. I can't bet on it since I never used the move.

Do you outspeed me after my salac boost?

Sucker Punch strikes first for super effective damage if you choose to attack me.
 

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On Serebii it said it swaps Atk & SpAtk with target. They might be wrong though...
By the time I attack you'll have been already been weakened lots from Power Swap & Reflect.
 

0RLY

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All calculations were rounded down.

Ariados:
-Sucker Punch: 75%-88%
-Poison Jab: 56%-66%
-Natural Gift: 37%-44%

Girafarig:
-Zen Headbutt (with Power Swap): ohko
-Zen Headbutt (w/o Power Swap): 67%-80%
-Thunderbolt: 47%-55%

You are guaranteed to not kill me on the turn after you switch in.

I am guaranteed to kill you if you attack on the turn after you switch in.

My weak-sauce spider liiives!!

Dare I say it?
Counter Denied!
 

Pika25

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Victreebell@Medow Plate
chlorophyll/Rash
120HP/252Sp.Atk/252Atk.
-Leaf Storm
-sleep Powder
-Sunny Day
-Solar Beam

fixed the attacks(wasn't paying attention) I don't see the extra 114 EV's
Then drop Atk and max HP if that's the case.
 

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All calculations were rounded down.

Ariados:
-Sucker Punch: 75%-88%
-Poison Jab: 56%-66%
-Natural Gift: 37%-44%

Girafarig:
-Zen Headbutt (with Power Swap): ohko
-Zen Headbutt (w/o Power Swap): 67%-80%
-Thunderbolt: 47%-55%

You are guaranteed to not kill me on the turn after you switch in.

I am guaranteed to kill you if you attack on the turn after you switch in.

My weak-sauce spider liiives!!

Dare I say it?
Counter Denied!
Yes, but my first move will be Power Swap, and I outspeed, so your next attack won't kill.
 

Pink Reaper

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120hp+252atk+252sp.atk

I guess you should just remove that atk EVs since you aren't using any physical attacks.

Carnivine would've been a better counter since it levitates, so it takes no damage from eq instead of full damage. grs/poi ftl

counter:

Ariados @ Salac Berry
Insomnia/Adamant
252atk/244spe/12hp
-Sucker Punch
-Night Shade
-Poison Jab
-Natural Gift

4x resists grass and is immune to sleep. NG is 80/fight. Go.
Macargo@Leftovers
Bold/Flame Body
252HP/252Def/4SpAtk
-Yawn
-Will-o-Wisp
-Lava Plume
-HP Grass

Soulja boy's up in this ho(thanks for the cookie btw ORLY)
 

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Macargo@Leftovers
Bold/Flame Body
252HP/252Def/4SpAtk
-Yawn
-Will-o-Wisp
-Lava Plume
-HP Grass

Soulja boy's up in this ho(thanks for the cookie btw ORLY)
Pelipper @ Leftovers
Modest/Keen Eye
252 Sp. Attack/252 Sp. Defense/4 Speed
- Surf
- Hidden Power Ground
- Roost
- Ice Beam

ROFLcopters at Lava Plume, LMAOplanes at HP Grass, Will-O-Wisp drops Attack, useless for Pelipper anyways, and he gets a LOLlipop when he goes to ROTFLMAOland all on Magcargo.
 

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Pelipper @ Leftovers
Modest/Keen Eye
252 Sp. Attack/252 Sp. Defense/4 Speed
- Surf
- Hidden Power Ground
- Roost
- Ice Beam

ROFLcopters at Lava Plume, LMAOplanes at HP Grass, Will-O-Wisp drops Attack, useless for Pelipper anyways, and he gets a LOLlipop when he goes to ROTFLMAOland all on Magcargo.
Does this count?

Shedinja @ Focus Sash
252 Atk / 252 Spe Adamant
Wonder Guard
X Scissor
Shadow Sneak
Sword Dance
Heal Block

Pelipper with that moveset cannot break Shedy's Wonder Guard. Heal Block is to prevent Pelipper from roosting.

Edit: Forgot about Rule 16. It mentions Shedinja.
 

0RLY

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Yes, but my first move will be Power Swap, and I outspeed, so your next attack won't kill.
You have to successfully switch in on any of my attacks.
Soulja boy's up in this ho(thanks for the cookie btw ORLY)
XD No problemo! Some other people didn't like it though...:dizzy:
Pelipper @ Leftovers
Modest/Keen Eye
252 Sp. Attack/252 Sp. Defense/4 Speed
- Surf
- Hidden Power Ground
- Roost
- Ice Beam

ROFLcopters at Lava Plume, LMAOplanes at HP Grass, Will-O-Wisp drops Attack, useless for Pelipper anyways, and he gets a LOLlipop when he goes to ROTFLMAOland all on Magcargo.
@ Peliper: Stop laughing.

Lanturn @ Leftovers
Calm/Volt Absorb
252sp.def/216sp.atk/40hp
-Ice Beam
-Thunderbolt
-Surf
-Toxic

Doesn't mind HP (Ground) that much. Faster than you with zero EVs, and deals 6x damage with tbolt. Your sp.def and def have a difference of only 3 points so it's better to use base 95 tbolt rather than a base 75 tpunch.
 
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