The Old Counter Game

[Mr.Postman]

Yea I edited the post... I had thought about it and its really kinda cheap xD

 

[0RLY]

Both of them are OU...

...and how does Wormadam-G counter? Toxicroak is immune to Poison.

 

[RedPeppers]

EQ hits Toxicroak for SE.

Edit: I didn't run calcs or anything, so Idk.

 

[0RLY]

It KOs with almost no EVs? Wow...

@ Vaporeon:

Lanturn @ Leftovers
Calm/Volt Absorb
40 HP/136 SpA/252 SpD/80 Spe
-Surf
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam
-Toxic

Wall'd

 

[Platypus]

Against Lanturn:

Raticate w/ Leftovers
Modest/Guts
255 HP/ 255 Sp. Def.
+ Super Fang
+ Swagger
+ Rest
+ Reversal
No ghosts, please. Or does this work against Lanturn, even?

 

[M.K]

Against Lanturn:

Raticate w/ Leftovers
Modest/Guts
255 HP/ 255 Sp. Def.
+ Super Fang
+ Swagger
+ Rest
+ Reversal
No ghosts, please. Or does this work against Lanturn, even?

@Raticate....

Aggron @ Lum Berry
Adamant/ Rock Head
252 Attack/ 252 Defense/4 Sp. Defense

~ Giga Impact
~ Iron Head
~ Metal Burst
~ Rock Slide

Resists moves...Swagger doesn't confuse...dead before you can hit me I THINK (didn't run numbers or anything)

 

[Pink Reaper]

@Aggron

Ampharos@Life Orb
Modest/Static
248Hp/252SpAtk/8Spe
-Thunder
-HP Fighting
-Substitute
-Power Gem

HP Fighting rips you apart. Thunder for STAB, other moves are rather......random.

 

[0RLY]

@ Ampharos:

Nidoking @ Life Orb
Rash/Poison Point
200 Atk/252 SpA/56 Spe
-Earthquake
-Hidden Power Grass
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam

Resists and strikes back.

 

[Mr.Postman]

@ Ampharos:

Nidoking @ Life Orb
Rash/Poison Point
200 Atk/252 SpA/56 Spe
-Earthquake
-Hidden Power Grass
-Thunderbolt
-Ice Beam

Resists and strikes back.

Cresselia @ Leftovers
Timid
96 HP/ 252 Spatk/ 160 speed
-Psychic
-Ice Beam
-Calm Mind
-Charge Beam

Immune to its only stab, Earthquake. Can take hits like nothing from Nidoking and hit back with a Psychic or just set up with CM

 

[Pink Reaper]

Ok, since you apparently don't know this Postman, I'll point it out to you. A while back(probably like 20+ pages or so but it keeps coming up) we, the collective Counter Game players put a ban on OU pokemon to try and keep things interesting. I will counter your cresselia with something BL or lower and then from then on, no OU's Ok?

Edit: Before I can counter it, why does it have Ice Beam twice?

@Cresselia

Houndoom@Life Orb
Flash Fire/Timid
252SpAtk/252Spe/4Hp
-Nasty Plot
-Fire Blast
-HP Figting
-Dark Pulse

Pretty standard fare really.

 

[Mr.Postman]

Oh ok sorry I just started yesterday If you like I will change it.
I am very sorry that I messed up the game a little



@Houndoom

Hariyama @ Choice Band
Thick Fat/Impish
252 def/ 76 HP/ 180 ATK
Cross Chop
Ice Punch
Payback
Thunder Punch


Resist Both stab moves.
And can hit back with a Cross Chop

 

[RedPeppers]

Well You're banded and hitting with Cross Chop, so I can post any ghost really. LO works better in the counter for future reference. Always nice to see new faces(usernames).

@ Hariyama

Rotom @ Life Orb
Nature: Modest
Ability: Levitate
EVs: 252 Satk / 252 Spd / 6 Hp
Shadow Ball
Thunder
Dark Pulse
HP Fire

Unresisted Coverage.

 

[0RLY]

@ Rotom:

Shiftry @ Occa Berry
Timid/Early Bird
6 HP/252 SpA/252 Spe
-Nasty Plot
-Energy Ball
-Dark Pulse
-HP (Ice)

Is durable enough to take at least one hit. Outspeeds and blah blah blah... you know the rest.

 

[RedPeppers]

@ Shiftry

Blaziken @ Life Orb
Nature: Hasty
Ability: Blaze
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spd
Sky Uppercut
Fire Blast
Shadow Claw
HP Electric

Resists all of your moves, and hits back with Stabbed SE Sky Uppercut.

 

[0RLY]

@ Blaziken:

Rhyperior @ Leftovers
Impish/Solid Rock
252hp/12atk/244def
-Earthquake
-Thunder Punch
-Avalanche
-Hammer Arm

Ridiculous defenses not even you can penetrate. Emerald Move Tutor gets me T-Punch for those of you wondering. 350 atk stat with little EVs, eat your heart out.

 

[RedPeppers]

Lulz 4 counters in an hour. To quote "I may counter later".

 

[Pink Reaper]

@ Blaziken:

Rhyperior @ Leftovers
Impish/Solid Rock
252hp/12atk/244def
-Earthquake
-Thunder Punch
-Avalanche
-Hammer Arm

Ridiculous defenses not even you can penetrate. Emerald Move Tutor gets me T-Punch for those of you wondering. 350 atk stat with little EVs, eat your heart out.

@Ryperior

Slowbro@Leftovers
Modest/Own Tempo
252Hp/252SpAtk/4Def
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-HP Electric
-Slack Off

350 Atk doesn't really matter to this guy as even T-Punch fails to 2HKO and Surf rips you to shreds.

 

[Cease Tick]

@Ryperior

Slowbro@Leftovers
Modest/Own Tempo
252Hp/252SpAtk/4Def
-Surf
-Ice Beam
-HP Electric
-Slack Off

350 Atk doesn't really matter to this guy as even T-Punch fails to 2HKO and Surf rips you to shreds.

Umbreon w/ Leftovers
Bold/Synchronize
252Hp/52Def/204SpDef
Wish
Protect
Confuse Ray
Toxic

Stalled to death.

 

[Pink Reaper]

Umbreon w/ Leftovers
Bold/Synchronize
252Hp/52Def/204SpDef
Wish
Protect
Confuse Ray
Toxic

Stalled to death.

@Umbreon

Floatzel@Lum Berry
Jolly/Swift Swim
40Hp/252Def/216Spe
-Taunt
-Bulk Up
-Waterfall
-Brick Break

I really couldn't pass this chance up. Taunt then Bulk Up till you kill yourself :D

 

[RedPeppers]

That was the perfect time to use Luvdisc Reaper!!!!! WHY?????

 

[Pink Reaper]

Luvdisc doesn't learn taunt >.>

And I <3 Floatzel

 

[0RLY]

@ Floatzel: ...because of Taunt, I can't use any creative counters. Darn you.

Electrode @ Choice Specs
Modest/Soundproof
252 SpA/252 Spe/4 Def
-Thunderbolt

Generic counter. **** me with Trapinch plzkthxbai.

EDIT: Good reason not to use Luvdisc.... BEHOLD! His base stats! 43/30/55/40/65/97

(insert some crappy movesets here)

...

Other Options
Charm turns Luvdisc into a very sturdy physical wall that can survive two Caterpie Tackles and force it to switch out.

EVs
So many options here. Always max out an attacking stat for Luvdisc: you have the choice between a Modest 196 Special Attack or an Adamant 174 Attack. His Speed rarely needs help if you use Agility or Rain Dance, which means you get to fully exploit that 290 max HP more often than not.

Opinion
We'll take a generic Water-type, give it crummy stats EVERYWHERE except for Speed, give him a trait that doubles his Speed in the rain and the option to use Agility and call it a day. Luvdisc is great if you're playing with Battle Timeout, because its mere presence should cause your opponent to laugh at it for so long that you win the match.

Counters
Instead of listing Luvdisc's counters, I'll list here what doesn't counter Luvdisc:

Spoiler

Caterpie, Ditto, Magikarp (PS: I added those Pokes. Smogon just left it blank.)

 

[Cease Tick]

@ Floatzel: ...because of Taunt, I can't use any creative counters. Darn you.

Electrode @ Choice Specs
Modest/Soundproof
252 SpA/252 Spe/4 Def
-Thunderbolt

Generic counter. **** me with Trapinch plzkthxbai.

Flygon (AKA Crappy Garchomp) w/Yache Berry
Levitate/Lonely
252Atk/220Spe/36SpAtk
-Dragon Claw
-EQ
-Sleep Talk
-Draco Meteor

Cease Tick sent out Trapinch!
Trapinch is evolving!
Trapinch evolved into Vibrava!
Vibrava is evolving!
Vibrava evolved into Flygon!

 

[0RLY]

@ Flygon:

Xatu @ Leftovers
Bold/Synchronize
252HP/124Def/132SpD
-Me First
-Shadow Ball
-Psychic
-HP (Fight)

Easily survives with >50% HP. Kills you with Me First. Oh, and I have enough PP to outstall your other attacks if you choose to use them.

 

[Pink Reaper]

@ Flygon:

Xatu @ Leftovers
Bold/Synchronize
252HP/124Def/132SpD
-Me First
-Shadow Ball
-Psychic
-HP (Fight)

Easily survives with >50% HP. Kills you with Me First. Oh, and I have enough PP to outstall your other attacks if you choose to use them.

Luxray@Life Orb
Adamant/Intimidate
252Atk/252Spe/4Hp
-Howl
-Spark
-Ice Fang
-Fire Fang

Me first all you want, you have no attack EV's and intimidate further decreases any damage you hope to do with it. Otherwise I can just out speed you.

 

[Ilucamy]

Luxray@Life Orb
Adamant/Intimidate
252Atk/252Spe/4Hp
-Howl
-Spark
-Ice Fang
-Fire Fang

Me first all you want, you have no attack EV's and intimidate further decreases any damage you hope to do with it. Otherwise I can just out speed you.

Swampert@Chesto Berry
Adamant
Torrent
252Atk / 252 Def / 4Hp
-Earthquake
-Waterfall
-Curse
-Rest

Kinda obvious. Resist STAB'd spark and Fire Fang, have enough Defense to counter Ice Fang. Take you out with Earthquake and throw in a few curses if I need to.

I'm kinda new to the whole competitive battling thing, so tell me if this set works or not, I'm pretty sure it does, but I'm not quite certain that it reaches its full potential.

 

[Mr.Postman]

Reminds me of Snorlax a little >_<
It works but theres a better set.
Thats not the best EV spread.


Cradily @ Leftovers
Relaxed
252 HP/ 164 Defense/ 92 SPD
Stock Pie
Rock Slide
Recover
Grass Knot


Swampert cant really do anything unless it gets a crit and which is still not enough to 2 hit ko, which lets me recover it off. Can set up with Stock Pile to get +3 in both defense.
I can also Finish it off with Grass Knot because of its low hp and x4 weakness

 

[Pink Reaper]

Swampert@Chesto Berry
Adamant
Torrent
252Atk / 252 Def / 4Hp
-Earthquake
-Waterfall
-Curse
-Rest

Kinda obvious. Resist STAB'd spark and Fire Fang, have enough Defense to counter Ice Fang. Take you out with Earthquake and throw in a few curses if I need to.

I'm kinda new to the whole competitive battling thing, so tell me if this set works or not, I'm pretty sure it does, but I'm not quite certain that it reaches its full potential.

Welcome to the SWF counter game. The first rule of the SWF Counter Game is No Ubers, No OU. There's also some other rules on the first page, you should read them.

 

[0RLY]

Reminds me of Snorlax a little >_<
It works but theres a better set.
Thats not the best EV spread.


Cradily @ Leftovers
Relaxed
252 HP/ 164 Defense/ 92 SPD
Stock Pie
Rock Slide
Recover
Grass Knot


Swampert cant really do anything unless it gets a crit and which is still not enough to 2 hit ko, which lets me recover it off. Can set up with Stock Pile to get +3 in both defense.
I can also Finish it off with Grass Knot because of its low hp and x4 weakness

@ Cradily: No ability, huh?

Mawile @ Cutsap Berry
Adamant/Hyper Cutter
252SpD/252Atk/4Spe
-Tickle
-Sucker Punch
-Iron Head
-Brick Break

Tickles your defense boosts away while you barely scratch my defenses. Sucker Punches when you're forced to attack. Cutsap Berry ensures I get to move first if it activates.

 

[Pink Reaper]

@Mawile

Jumpluff@Leftovers
Timid/Leaf Guard
252SpAtk/252Spe/4Hp
-Energy Ball
-Substitute
-Leech Seed
-HP Fire

Subs, Seeds, HP's, Dead.

 

[Mr.Postman]

@ Cradily: No ability, huh?

Mawile @ Cutsap Berry
Adamant/Hyper Cutter
252SpD/252Atk/4Spe
-Tickle
-Sucker Punch
-Iron Head
-Brick Break

Tickles your defense boosts away while you barely scratch my defenses. Sucker Punches when you're forced to attack. Cutsap Berry ensures I get to move first if it activates.

It only has one ability so I think its pretty pointless to post it.



@Jumpluff
Persian @ Silk Scarf
Jolly/Technician
252 Attack/ 252 Speed/ 6 HP
Fake out
U-Turn
Hypnosis
Bite

Fake out, U-Turn = Dead

 

[M.K]

It only has one ability so I think its pretty pointless to post it.



@Jumpluff
Persian @ Silk Scarf
Jolly/Technician
252 Attack/ 252 Speed/ 6 HP
Fake out
U-Turn
Hypnosis
Bite

Fake out, U-Turn = Dead

@Persian

Crobat @ Muscle Band
Adamant/ Inner Focus
252 Attack/ 252 Defense / 6 HP

-Zen Headbutt
-Cross Poison
-Sleep Talk
-Aerial Ace

Resists U-Turn, Inner Focus Prevents Flinch, Sleep Talk if I fall asleep, and Bite doesn't do that much damage before I can kill you with boosted physical attacks from Muscle Band...

 

[Ilucamy]

@Persian

Crobat @ Muscle Band
Adamant/ Inner Focus
252 Attack/ 252 Defense / 6 HP

-Zen Headbutt
-Cross Poison
-Sleep Talk
-Aerial Ace

Resists U-Turn, Inner Focus Prevents Flinch, Sleep Talk if I fall asleep, and Bite doesn't do that much damage before I can kill you with boosted physical attacks from Muscle Band...

Steelix @ Leftovers
Adamant
Rock Head
252 Attack / 252 Defense / 6 HP

-Earthquake
-Taunt
-Gyro Ball
-Ice Fang

Yay for Taunt. I resist both your stab moves and can kill you with Ice Fang.

Uh, I read the rules, but I don't know what Pokemon are OU or UU (I know which ones are Ubers) and I don't intend to take the time to figure it out.

Edit: Before anyone says I'm stupid, I just like Taunt, so I put it on whenever I can.

 

[Hanai]

Steelix @ Leftovers
Adamant
Rock Head
252 Attack / 252 Defense / 6 HP

-Earthquake
-Taunt
-Gyro Ball
-Ice Fang

Yay for Taunt. I resist both your stab moves and can kill you with Ice Fang.

Uh, I read the rules, but I don't know what Pokemon are OU or UU (I know which ones are Ubers) and I don't intend to take the time to figure it out.

Edit: Before anyone says I'm stupid, I just like Taunt, so I put it on whenever I can.

Azmarill@choice band
Adamant/huge power
252At/252Spe/4hp

Waterfall
Aquajet
Ice punch
Return

 

[Ilucamy]

Azmarill@choice band
Adamant/huge power
252At/252Spe/4hp

Waterfall
Aquajet
Ice punch
Return

Vaporeon@Leftovers
Modest
Water Absorb
252 Def / 252HP / 4 Sp. Def

-Water Pulse
-Toxic
-Wish
-Acid Armor

Assuming you were using either Ice or Water attacks to defeat Steelix, you're pretty much screwed when Water Absorbing Vaporeon Comes out. Vaporeon's high HP allows it to take a few hits, allowing it to get off a few Acid Armors while restoring its HP with Wish. Toxic will be the main killer.

 

[Pink Reaper]

Im gonna list some things wrong with the last few counters:

Persian wouldn't work if it came in on Substitute or Leech Seed.

U-Turn is not allowed in the counter game.

Even if U-Turn was allowed, U-Turn and Fake Out Combined wouldn't be enough to KO me.

Azumarill is spelled wrong.

When posting a counter with a choice move you have to state which move your using, so Hanai's counter is incomplete.

Ilucamy, you don't seem to fully understand how the counter game works. The idea is that you would be coming in on ANY attack from your opponent, however since Hanai didn't bother to say which move he was using, I guess it doesn't really matter.

In stead of being an ******* and just forcing the game back, I'll just let the last few counters slide since they(mostly) work, and do this:

@Vaporeon

Jumpluff@Lum Berry
Timid/Leaf Guard
252SpAtk/252Spe/6Hp
-Leech Seed
-Substitute
-HP Fire
-Energy Ball

Tada!

 

[RedPeppers]

I thought I was gonna have to post that^^

Ilucamy this is a link to the standard tier list (although no NFE pokemon are listed). Everything is organized alphabetically, so it's really easy to find what tier your counter would be in. http://www.smogon.com/dp/pokemon/

 

[Ilucamy]

Im gonna list some things wrong with the last few counters:

Persian wouldn't work if it came in on Substitute or Leech Seed.

U-Turn is not allowed in the counter game.

Even if U-Turn was allowed, U-Turn and Fake Out Combined wouldn't be enough to KO me.

Azumarill is spelled wrong.

When posting a counter with a choice move you have to state which move your using, so Hanai's counter is incomplete.

Ilucamy, you don't seem to fully understand how the counter game works. The idea is that you would be coming in on ANY attack from your opponent, however since Hanai didn't bother to say which move he was using, I guess it doesn't really matter.

In stead of being an ******* and just forcing the game back, I'll just let the last few counters slide since they(mostly) work, and do this:

@Vaporeon

Jumpluff@Lum Berry
Timid/Leaf Guard
252SpAtk/252Spe/6Hp
-Leech Seed
-Substitute
-HP Fire
-Energy Ball

Tada!

I assumed he would be using a Water or Ice move due to Steelix's resistance to normal type moves. Since he was holding a choice band, he can't switch moves, meaning that the damage would be either 0 or halved to Vaporeon.

@Jumpluff

Torkoal@Leftovers
Relaxed
White Smoke
252 Sp. Def / 252 Sp. Atk / 4 HP
-Rapid Spin
-Heat Wave
-Amnesia
-Gyro Ball

Simple enough to counter, but it beats out Jumpluff (I think). Rapid Spin to counter Leech Seed, Amnesia to increase defense, Heat Wave to take it out. Gyro ball just cause Torkoal is sickly slow.

 

[0RLY]

@ Pink Reaper: Thanks, you saved me a lot of typing, and Azumarill doesn't have enough strength to beat Steelix's God-esque defenses.

@ Torkoal: *The urge to use Flareon is too much >.<*

Camerupt @ Leftovers
Quiet/Solid Rock
228HP/184Atk/96SpA
-Earthquake
-Toxic
-Overheat
-HP (Ice)

Takes very little damage from your attacks. Earthquake instead of Earth Power in case you use Amnesia.

 

[Pink Reaper]

>.< Come on ORLY, Camerupt is way too easy to counter, give us a challenge


@Camerupt

Clamperl@DeepSeaTooth
Modest/Shell Armor
188Hp/252SpAtk/68spe
-Hydro Pump
-Blizzard
-HP Electric
-Substitute

(Barely) Survives Overheat or easily survives Earthquake and outspeeds you by one point. Hydro Pump for the 542 SpAtk NFE Win.