The Official SBR Brawl Tier List v1.0

[Steel]

i'm gonna take a random guess and say january 5th

 

[Snowstalker]

GOD:

Meta Knight

TOP:

Snake
Mr. Game & Watch
Falco
King Dedede
Marth
Diddy Kong

HIGH:

Wario
R.O.B
Olimar
Lucario
Ice Climbers
Pikachu
Kirby
Donkey Kong
Peach
Wolf

MIDDLE:

Toon Link
Pit
Zero Suit Samus
Zelda
Luigi
Fox
Sonic
Sheik
Bowser
Yoshi
Ness

LOW:

Ike
Mario
Pokemon Trainer
Samus
Lucas
Link
Captain Falcon
Jigglypuff
Ganondorf

 

[Ryusuta]

Alright, I've come up with the definitive tier list, 2.0!

GOD

Sheik
Wario
Donkey Kong
Zero Suit Samus

TOP

Marth
Lucario
Diddy Kong
R.O.B
Zelda
Lucas

HIGH

Luigi
Pokemon Trainer
King Dedede
Ganondorf

MIDDLE

Ness
Pit
Olimar
Bowser
Peach
Link
Jigglypuff
Ice Climbers
Meta Knight
Mario
Mr. Game & Watch
Falco

LOW

Pikachu
Sonic
Samus
Kirby

BOTTOM

Captain Falcon
Fox
Wolf
Toon Link
Yoshi
Ike
Snake

Results courtesy random.org

 

[andilex]

ness should be at least low middle, and pokemon trainer should be middle. but lucas should move down along with link, cpt falcon should be low tier in the top.
rob should go to high,

 

[da K.I.D.]

Snowstalkers list is perfect except for the fact that D3 should be #3 and sonic is a better character than fox.

other than that, its perfect.

 

[Face124]

ness should be at least low middle, and pokemon trainer should be middle. but lucas should move down along with link, cpt falcon should be low tier in the top.
rob should go to high,

It was quite obviously a joke.

But I'm liking Falcon not being bottom in some lists

 

[-Mars-]

sonic is a better character than fox.

Hahahahahahahahahahah................................no.

 

[da K.I.D.]

of course a fox main would say that, you all think you character is high tier and goes even with snake and MK....

rofl@peopleoverhypingtheircharacter...

and dont you dare say yall dont, cus ive seen it for myself

 

[ROOOOY!]

No KID.

I've actually seen some people there say they have the advantage over Snake lmao.

Fox might just be a better character then Sonic, but not by much.

 

[da K.I.D.]

fox has the slight advantage in the sonic/fox match, but sonic is overall a better character.

 

[gantrain05]

i really do think fox has the advantage over snake, im not a fox main, i play mostly peach/olimar, however i DO use fox when coming across a snake, he has all the tools he needs to deal with snake, and with not much difficulty

laser spam blows up the grenades in his face

Utilt lock works on him until 50%

shine stall baiting snakes Utilt is a free Dair > whatever you want combo.

fox does very well against snake, and for the record, i also believe he's a better character than sonic, although i do believe both of them are very underrated.

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

Doesn't Fox go about even with Snake?

Edit: Wow. I had this tab open for a WHILE before responding. I missed a bunch of convo. XD

 

[rehab]

Fox kind of outcamps Snake. In terms of actual fighting Snake wins. Fox ***** lack of match experience when the match pops up.

Snake does not get utilted until 50% if DI exists.

Shine stall baiting? Like shining offstage and waiting for the Snake to come over so you can dair him? That, uh, works? explain that

like the only thing keeping Fox out of low tier is a good kill move and outcamping a couple of people

 

[gantrain05]

Fox kind of outcamps Snake. In terms of actual fighting Snake wins. Fox ***** lack of match experience when the match pops up.

Snake does not get utilted until 50% if DI exists.

Shine stall baiting? Like shining offstage and waiting for the Snake to come over so you can dair him? That, uh, works? explain that

like the only thing keeping Fox out of low tier is a good kill move and outcamping a couple of people

as an approach, not offstage, how would that work at all? lol. you just full hop, shine stall, if he Utilts, you drop on his head with a Dair, if he doesn't you DJ away and space with a bair so he can't punish. snake wins in power and range, but fox is much faster and more agile, he has the tools to work around whatever snake dishes out.

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

Sonic was mentioned in comparison to another character and the topic isn't all about Sonic mains whining?

What have we become?
My sweetest friends?

 

[PKNintendo]

Foxy is overrated.

Your out of your game Fox!

as Falco would say. Listen to the man.

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

Isn't it you're off your game?

 

[infomon]

Terios: whatchu' talkin' 'bout? Sonics been camping this thread for a while.

every scrub I know goes away in the end.

 

[rehab]

Fox is out of his melee

as an approach, not offstage, how would that work at all? lol. you just full hop, shine stall, if he Utilts, you drop on his head with a Dair, if he doesn't you DJ away and space with a bair so he can't punish. snake wins in power and range, but fox is much faster and more agile, he has the tools to work around whatever snake dishes out.

Ok.

Honestly, I don't think a smart Snake would fall for that by utilting anyway, and Fox is laggy enough out of the shine that a quick anybody could follow you and shieldgrab. That thing sounds like more trouble than it's worth, and overall you'd be better running away or something when he approached. Dair is a punishable (shieldgrabbable) approach in general.

Snake kills earlier and jab -> ftilt/grab gets kills well enough for Snake, but I've never played a really, really dedicatedly campy Fox, so

uh

iunno

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

I'll camp ya next time we play. XD

 

[rehab]

oh**** D:

Wait you use Fox?

 

[Nidtendofreak]

I don't see Ness reaching Mid. Like, at all.

Any Ness players mind explaining what has changed since the last tier list that would allow this to happen?

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

Not really. Kinda. Who don't I play? XD

 

[rehab]

Meanie

I'm well aware my Snake is garbage T_T

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

Eh. Mine sucks too. I'm working on it. I need someone that's actually good. XD

 

[PKNintendo]

GOD:

Meta Knight

TOP:

Snake
Mr. Game & Watch
Falco
King Dedede
Marth
Diddy Kong

HIGH:

Wario
R.O.B
Olimar
Lucario
Ice Climbers
Pikachu
Kirby
Donkey Kong
Peach
Wolf

MIDDLE:

Toon Link
Pit
Zero Suit Samus
Zelda
Luigi
Fox
Sonic
Sheik
Bowser
Yoshi
Ness

LOW:

Ike
Mario
Pokemon Trainer
Samus
Lucas
Link
Captain Falcon
Jigglypuff
Ganondorf

Really nice list, you sure you didn't warp into the future and take it?

 

[Nestec]

@ Nintendfreak

At this point in time, Ness' tournament results aren't good enough for him to go up to Middle. But regardless, I think he deserves to be above wherever Mario/Lucas/Samus/PT are. ABOVE them, not between or below any of them. >_<

And like someone said earlier, Ness and Yoshi's positions are interchangeable. Yoshi might be a bit higher because of his better match-up with MK, which I hear is near neutral.

But as a character/potential-wise, I honestly would have to say that Ness is on level with Ike. Ness is really not a bad character. He just lacks anything "OMFG hax" like other characters have. Although quick-and-early kills with Bthrow are impressive.

 

[M.K]

At this point in time, Ness' tournament results aren't good enough for him to go up to Middle. But regardless, I think he deserves to be above wherever Mario/Lucas/Samus/PT are. ABOVE them, not between or below any of them. >_<

And like someone said earlier, Ness and Yoshi's positions are interchangeable. Yoshi might be a bit higher because of his better match-up with MK, which I hear is near neutral.

But as a character/potential-wise, I honestly would have to say that Ness is on level with Ike. Call me biased/inexperienced though, lol.

I agree. We have unpredictability on our side. Potential Wise, I think he is middle of Mid-Tier.
He is a solid character, I don't know HOW the hell Ike is above him, or Lucas for that matter.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

Yoshi might be a bit higher because of his better match-up with MK, which I hear is near neutral.

You've been listening to trolls, son if you heard about Yoshi going nearly neutral with MK.

 

[da K.I.D.]

You realise that the intrinsic properties of the spacies makes them all good choices against snake, since snake cant combo for crap, and he relies on singular hits to get his damage, it makes the fastfalling weakness of the spacies completely null.

personally i use wolf against snake, but thats besides the point.

fox is not advantaged to snake, and neither is wolf, and falco isnt either if the snake is smart enough to blow himself up to avoid the CG.

either way, fox is a really bad, really linear character, and sonic is better as an overall character.
its funny how it seems like all the mid tiers only have one thing keeping them out of low tier.

Fox-upsmash
Ike-Jabs
Luigi-Super fire punch.

 

[Cherry64]

is this thread actual the official tier list... there as so many versions and it seems rather oppinionated, well not for chain-grabbers but for everyone else it does.

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

The real tier list is on the front page. The rest are just guesses at the next tier list/personal opinions.

 

[~ Gheb ~]

You realise that the intrinsic properties of the spacies makes them all good choices against snake, since snake cant combo for crap, and he relies on singular hits to get his damage, it makes the fastfalling weakness of the spacies completely null.

This isn't true. None of the sacies is a particularily good choice vs Snake. The best of them would be Wolf who goes even with him.
Snake can exploit Fox and Falcos weaknesses well enough: Crouch under lasers, KO them very early, outrange them, outlive them ...

fox is not advantaged to snake, and neither is wolf, and falco isnt either if the snake is smart enough to blow himself up to avoid the CG.

Exactly. Fox loses to Snake and so does Falco but only slightly.
Atm Wolf goes 5/5 with Snake but I think that there's still a lot of potential in Snake, that's still untapped since he isn't as overplayed as he used to be and it's very possible that snake will turn out to have the advantage over Wolf as well.

...

Fox-upsmash
Ike-Jabs
Luigi-Super fire punch.

I agree on the Fox part but Ike and especially Luigi are justified (Luigi has high tier potential)...

Ike is heavy, has amazing range, KO power and 2 really good AC aerials which can be directly followed uo with Jabs for a fast, fluent game. He also deals good dmg. His SideB and UpB can both be used to chase opponents.

Luigi is awesome. He has amazing KO power, a really good recovery and awesome comboes.

 

[Ryusuta]

You've been listening to trolls, son if you heard about Yoshi going nearly neutral with MK.

Yoshi actually IS one of the best characters to use against Meta (for what it's worth). Sadly, you're right that he doesn't go neutral anymore. Both boards are pretty much agreed that at the absolute PEAK of competition Yoshi goes about 4:6 with him...

If the Meta doesn't know how to fight Yoshi, though, it's significantly easier for Yoshi. The Meta Knight has to know the match-up to be at a real advantage.

 

[da K.I.D.]

im not going to disagree with you on luigi cus i dont know much on him,
but ike:

1. his f-air doesnt autocancel. it just has low lag, i actually **** ikes that think f-air is unpunishable/ACs.
2. Any ike main will tell you, that if ike had sonics jab, he would be border line unplayable.
also, about spacies.
1.you say they arent good choices against snake but you say that they all are close to even with them.
2. i didnt say they won the match, i said they are good choices compared to some other characters.
3. i dont think wolf goes even with snake now, even though its very close...



@orion

you just described everymatch in the game...

 

[~ Gheb ~]

KID, I never mentioned Ike's fair. I actually was referring to Nair and bair

I also didn't say that all the spacies go even with Snake...Fox is at least 35/65 for Snake and Falco is about 4/6 for Snake.

 

[Gabz]

Ike should be one of the top in the mid tiers, shiek should be bottom one in the high tier, Sonic the bottom one in the mid tiers.

 

[Terios the Hedgehog]

I think you're overrating Sheik a bit. lol

What are your reasonings?

 

[Nidtendofreak]

A perfectly placed Fair by Ike IS unpunishable by anyone without a projectile unless you are Olimar or Sheik. this is a FACT. Olimar can only punish it 1/3 of the time (pikmin dependent), and Sheik can only do it with DACUS. Ike has enough time to shield or sidestep anything else. Some times it's almost frame perfect, but any other time he can avoid punishment.


EDIT: That sounded spazzy I know, but this is another point that I'm tired of going over in Ike's match-up discussions. -_-

EDIT2: Actually, it may be possible for Sonic......I don't know if we've tested spindash or not....

 

[PKNintendo]

I don't see Ness reaching Mid. Like, at all.

Any Ness players mind explaining what has changed since the last tier list that would allow this to happen?

Nothing really, however the same can be said for many characters. Many characters won't be moving up or done, they will be properly placed. Ness feels like mid tier character with good matchups, and (until now) he had the best E tier results. Its trend for him to be in the higher end of E or sometimes possibly D.