The Official SBR-B Brawl Tier List v3.0

[Deleted member]

Im pretty sure im gonna **** reflex in this wifi tourny, and im going to win
(Kidding wifi stinks and ill lose anyways)
PT ***** tho no joke, just randomly calling a big southern tourny a "scrub" tourny doesnt make it true.

 

[DMG]

What Wi-fi tourney?

Is it for money, and how can I join?

I'm pretty good at Gay-fi lol.

 

[chimpact]

You promised me matches! ^^

And this wifi tourney is for low tiers only and i dont think there's money. Plank with squirtle DMG!

 

[Smash G 0 D]

Virg said that there MAY be money; he's discussing the prizes with JV.

 

[Steeler]

Reflex may be amazing as he is, but these facts still stand. See a PT main such as Toby (Tcranter), PokemonMasterIRL, Typh or Steeler and you'll see that its not just Reflex repping PT right.

whoa whoa whoa whoa whoa

don't bring me into this guys

also imagine wario's planking with a recharge move that holds the opponent in place or pushes them away depending on what they do

that's squirtle's planking

 

[Frank West]

I have a problem with PT because he's obviously in the wrong place.

You obviously have yet to face the wrath of a decent Squirtle. Once you do I have a feeling you'll reconsider quickly. Squirts solo is A-tier at least imo. I feel Fatigue is really the only thing that seriously holds PT back.

 

[Kinzer]

You obviously have yet to face the wrath of a decent Squirtle. Once you do I have a feeling you'll reconsider quickly. Squirts solo is A-tier at least imo. I feel Fatigue is really the only thing that seriously holds PT back.

Don't forget forced switching.

However I must disagree with fatigue being a drawback (to an extent), doesn't it make some other combos possible when fatigue comes into play?

I'm sorry, I can only guess since I don't play with pokeymangz anymore.

 

[Steeler]

sometimes PT doesn't care and will switch even if the opponent gets a free hit off. so you take 20% instead of losing another stock. big deal!

 

[o-Serin-o]

I got ***** by a Squirtle before >.>

Squirtle needs his own character selection w/o forced switching and he'd be ****ing A tier if it weren't for his semi-**** recovery.

 

[choknater]

lol yeah, i agree. i've always seen squirtle as a **** good character worthy of high tiers, it just sucks to be forced to use ivy during the match lol

 

[smashkng]

Squirtle can get infinite chain grabbed by ZSS. His jump break sucks.

 

[choknater]

are you trying to downplay squirtle's potential? who cares about zss lol he's still a good character, if he gets counter picked by zss just use a different pokemon lol, or a diff character

 

[Nidtendofreak]

@ The list of PT reps: how many of them win tournaments? What's this, none?

I have played a good Squirtle thank you very much. Espy is oddly good at using PT as a low tier main. At least the last time I played him he was using PT for low tiers. I've also played against two other PTs IRL. I don't see A tier. Top of B tier maybe. He's Wario....but worse in every possible way except air release (barely better then Wario here), ground speed and gimping while being about tied overall in range. Maybe a slight edge in KOing ability I'd have to look at Wario's KOing move again.

Saying Squirtle would be A tier if he was on his own, without fatigue and without forced switching is as useful as saying Bowser would be A tier if his attacks came out twice as fast: nice theory crafting, but completely and utterly unimportant as that has no possibility of happening or anything close to happening. You can't use PT without all three characters. Better theory crafting would be to say "Where would PT be if all three of his pokemon were Squirtle, but they still had forced switching and fatigue". That is 'closer' to happening then the other theory crafting, and I can tell you right now he would be lower then the stand alone Squirtle. Probably mid to low B tier. Charizard I see as low C tier or top of D tier, and Ivysaur somewhere down in F tier below Yoshi.

sometimes PT doesn't care and will switch even if the opponent gets a free hit off. so you take 20% instead of losing another stock. big deal!

Have fun getting away with that against Ike/Ganondorf/Bowser/Snake/Any other heavy hitter. >_> LOL Fsmash by any of them = GG unless it's the very beginning of a stock.

Yes PT has a higher learning curve, so what? Snake has a high one, look where he is. Marth has a somewhat high learning curve look where he is. Diddy has a high learning curve, look where he is. Link has a high learning curve, look where he is. Learning Curve doesn't suddenly make you a better character, you mean you should go up or down. It has a slight effect on tournament results, thats it.

 

[Steeler]

you only take the hit at the beginning of the stock, otherwise you just camp and whatever until you get an opening. or just don't switch to them until you die or are at very high percents anyway, as a sacrificial offering to the pokegods.

anyway the idea is that you just died as squirtle and have switched to ivysaur on death. you do not want ivysaur. so you immediately switch to charizard. it almost always works out better than using ivysaur in some matchups.

the solo pokemon argument is relevant because there has been talk of allowing the hacks in tournament play.

 

[MysticKenji]

Squirtle can get infinite chain grabbed by a decent portion of the cast. His jump break sucks.

Spoiler

good luck grabbing squirtle btw

 

[Red Arremer]

Virg said that there MAY be money; he's discussing the prizes with JV.

Isn't it awfully tiring to write like that?

 

[Alus]

Yeah, holy ****...

He must have a engine...

 

[zeldspazz]

So who wants to talk about Zelda!

*crickets* *tumbleweed*

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Well I tried

 

[Ninja Kirby Nick!]

So who wants to talk about Zelda!

*crickets* *tumbleweed*

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Well I tried

Awwkwaaard O.o...

I couldn't believe Zelda was low tiered! A reflector, projectile, good aireals and smashes, and that is a result of a bottom tier.

...Is it because she's light weighted >_>?

 

[zeldspazz]

Awwkwaaard O.o...

I couldn't believe Zelda was low tiered! A reflector, projectile, good aireals and smashes, and that is a result of a bottom tier.

...Is it because she's light weighted >_>?

Her reflector is easily punishable, her aerials need too much precision, and her projectile is outcamped by a lot of characters. She is lightweight and very tall, and, like PT, one of her moves that could be taken up by something useful is taken up by transforming to a different character. I <3 her anyway

 

[adumbrodeus]

Awwkwaaard O.o...

I couldn't believe Zelda was low tiered! A reflector, projectile, good aireals and smashes, and that is a result of a bottom tier.

...Is it because she's light weighted >_>?

Ummm, take away good aerials (they're useful, but too situational to qualify).


It's the grab that's slower then reaction time... she can't approach. That's why she's low tier.

 

[Ninja Kirby Nick!]

Ummm, take away good aerials (they're useful, but too situational to qualify).


It's the grab that's slower then reaction time... she can't approach. That's why she's low tier.

Okay, I get it now. Thanks for explaining it !

 

[Nitrix]

Don't forget her terrible recovery.

 

[-Mars-]

Her recovery isn't that bad. I think the main reasons are the slow grab speed, lack of a quick jab, and no approach options. Her projectile also has no use whatsoever and is one of the worst moves in the game.

That being said I think she's fine where she is on the tier list right now. Great OoS options, priority, range, and KO power. She also has guaranteed KO setups out of her dtilt.

 

[#HBC | Red Ryu]

Zelda has trouble approaching, her approaches are situational, Nair can shield poke, Fair can shield push, Fsmash can have some range with push.

But really, it doesn't help her as much as people think.

 

[zeldspazz]

Ill be happy if she stays in the mid 20s, in terms of the rankings 1-37. I think thats where she belongs. Ill be very upset if she moves down any more, and surprised if she moves up.

 

[Smash G 0 D]

Isn't it awfully tiring to write like that?

It's not that bad.... ;]

I have just epic ub3r pr0 sk1llz. bwaha

 

[Alus]

It's not that bad.... ;]

I have just epic ub3r pr0 sk1llz. bwaha

^^^

It probably took him 15 min to write this post...

 

[:mad:]

It's not that bad.... ;]

I have just epic ub3r pr0 sk1llz. bwaha

You type in your sentence and a site generates all the colors, mirite?

 

[Smash G 0 D]

No way, son. xD

 

[:mad:]

No way, son. xD

I've never been more sure of something in my entire life.

 

[choknater]

ahhhh diddy kong!!!!

i had doubts but now i know <3 adhd

 

[AmishTycoon]

Which character is relatively easy w/ a good recovery and good grabs?

 

[Steeler]

meta knight

 

[kingcobra9]

Which character is relatively easy w/ a good recovery and good grabs?

Olimar is perfect

 

[Nitrix]

Olimar is perfect

He said "A Good Recovery", which certainly does NOT apply to Olimar. However it does apply to King Dedede.

 

[choknater]

^lol, as u can see, kingcobra crossed out the good recovery part^

and yes, ddd fits that description

 

[Red Arremer]

Which character is relatively easy w/ a good recovery and good grabs?

That would be Link.

 

[Meru.]

He said "A Good Recovery", which certainly does NOT apply to Olimar. However it does apply to King Dedede.

But he's not relatively easy.

 

[choknater]

That would be Link.

Relatively easy to defeat.