The Official Ninja Spike Thread (Last Update: 11/12/09) Potential PS1 Tech Discoved.

[Asdioh]

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what % does a character need to be to actually die from a King of Red Loins Upthrow Spike? (KRLUS)

 

[A1lion835]

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what % does a character need to be to actually die from a King of Red Loins Upthrow Spike? (KRLUS)

I don't know. I'm still trying to figure out what happens with Ganonfork...

 

[fromundaman]

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what % does a character need to be to actually die from a King of Red Loins Upthrow Spike? (KRLUS)

And will it work on Ike? *Chuckles evilly*

 

[A1lion835]

I just finished alphabetizing the list and I'm off to do some testing. I expect to have a few more characters confirmed on Pirate Ship when I'm done.

 

[A1lion835]

Alright, ZSS on Pirate Ship. I've gotten better at doing the spike...just compare where the head is in relation to the right side of the boat. It appears not to work on Ganondorf, and I tried on fromundamam's behalf to do it on Ike, but alas.

 

[thrillagorilla]

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what % does a character need to be to actually die from a King of Red Loins Upthrow Spike? (KRLUS)

It starts killing somewhere between 110% and 130%, not sure where (it took really long to test even that much). The window to spike is small and there isn't much of a gap, so this is likely to be regulated to Lucario and ZSS only. I'll do some work with it later to make sure.

 

[A1lion835]

It starts killing somewhere between 110% and 130%, not sure where (it took really long to test even that much). The window to spike is small and there isn't much of a gap, so this is likely to be regulated to Lucario and ZSS only. I'll do some work with it later to make sure.

BUT

they have a set time of coming up, so you can time a cutter to come down on them as they resurface. Extremely low % gimps anyone?

 

[thrillagorilla]

FC can't water spike at any percentage, even 999%. I think I mentioned that on the stage discussion thread, but I'll mention it here too.

 

[A1lion835]

thrilla, I mean using fc above water while they're floating in it and landing with the blade on top of them. It's a pretty extreme spike...

 

[thrillagorilla]

I didn't realize you could water-spike any other way. My testing was done by hitting the opponent with the spike only while they were in the water. I never meant hitting them with the full move.

I believe the spike on FC is the same regardless of percentage. No matter how many times I tried it, I could never kill an opponent in the water using it. If you've tried it and it worked, I'll happily retract my statements. In this case especially I would rather be wrong than right.

 

[A1lion835]

I didn't realize you could water-spike any other way. My testing was done by hitting the opponent with the spike only while they were in the water. I never meant hitting them with the full move.

I believe the spike on FC is the same regardless of percentage. No matter how many times I tried it, I could never kill an opponent in the water using it. If you've tried it and it worked, I'll happily retract my statements. In this case especially I would rather be wrong than right.

Oh...I thought you meant doing the full move and landing in the water. I should've remembered that the spike has set knockback X_X

 

[Sino]

Does that spike really work with the FC, i always do stone when they're in the water.

There aren't any ninja spike vids of kirby are there?

 

[A1lion835]

Does that spike really work with the FC, i always do stone when they're in the water.

It doesn't. I retardedly forgot that it has set knockback. And are you fromundaman's alt or something? He always talks about dair->stone in water.

 

[A1lion835]

New info: Third part of Castle Siege: DEBUNKED. I tried, but I can't Ninja Spike anyone on the tilts...Sakurai!

 

[A1lion835]

Anyone who can do any testing would be greatly appreciated right now. I really need more testing for Spear Pillar, then Pirate Ship, then Frigate Orpheon.

 

[t!MmY]

I Ninja Spiked a ZSS player on his last stock in a MM last weekend. -^_^-d
Someone behind me was like "t1mmy? What was that?!" And I was like... "Ninja Spike'd!"
It was the Frigate Orpheon one, by the way.

 

[A1lion835]

I Ninja Spiked a ZSS player on his last stock in a MM last weekend. -^_^-d
Someone behind me was like "t1mmy? What was that?!" And I was like... "Ninja Spike'd!"
It was the Frigate Orpheon one, by the way.

Get ***** :D

but don't tell them what it is next time. No one most know...no one...

 

[thrillagorilla]

Bump, just because.

 

[A1lion835]

Bump, just because.

This thread is destined to die. No info in almost a month (the most recent update was...well, check the OP).

 

[thrillagorilla]

This thread is destined to die. No info in almost a month (the most recent update was...well, check the OP).

Fair enough. Just like my move-set discussion, I guess.
I was hoping we could figure out that DI/SDI thing before we closed up shop, though. I'd do it, but I don't have a testing partner. Also, I need to get someone to turn my replays into vids.

 

[Triple R]

I got a quick question about Lylat Cruise. So you can pretty much Ninja Spike anyone, but what way does it have to be tilted? Should it be tilted down or up?

 

[thrillagorilla]

It needs to be tilted down at first, then raise quickly. I think I posted the three main spots I've found you can do it it earlier in the thread, but I haven't had the time to find them all (there are a lot of possibilities...). I keep forgetting to send out my replays to SniperNightOwlFromYouTube. I'll do it soon, I've just been busy.

 

[Tomato Kirby]

Kirby Glitch on Frigate Orpheon?

...and here I thought it was all a chance coincidence. Wow, I missed a LOT while I was away. Who came up with the idea to start mass-testing ninja-spikes?

Anyway, maybe we can King Dedede to Frigate Orpheon?

 

[thrillagorilla]

Kirby Glitch on Frigate Orpheon?

...and here I thought it was all a chance coincidence. Wow, I missed a LOT while I was away. Who came up with the idea to start mass-testing ninja-spikes?

Anyway, maybe we can King Dedede to Frigate Orpheon?

As far as we have been able to tell, situations like that either require pixel perfect spacing or SDI on the opponent's part.

To answer your other question, A1lion came up with the idea of extensive testing after a thread popped up on AiB. t1mmy named it soon thereafter. Oh, and hi! Welcome back.

Edit: Since when have I had over 500 posts?!? O.o

 

[A1lion835]

Kirby Glitch on Frigate Orpheon?

...and here I thought it was all a chance coincidence. Wow, I missed a LOT while I was away. Who came up with the idea to start mass-testing ninja-spikes?

Anyway, maybe we can King Dedede to Frigate Orpheon?

You lost your video archive.

Hrm...D3...I guess I could check that, but idunno if it's just DI like thrilla said.

 

[Tomato Kirby]

You lost your video archive.

I was actually going to suggest a similar format, except Asdioh already had it up on my return.

Hrm...D3...I guess I could check that, but idunno if it's just DI like thrilla said.

Well, D3 ninja spike is ridiculously harder than the video provided at the beginning of the thread, since Kirby must be in the initial stage, facing towards the edge, on the last pixels on the stage (upper platform). Basically, the D3 player has to somehow get caught by Kirby under ridiculous circumstances. It's possible (and deserves a note), just really unlikely.

 

[A1lion835]

It's been forever since anyone worked on this. It's been forever since someone cared. But I just found something.

I was just playing some wifail with my friend. He eventually chose snake, and kept on using him. I got EXTREMELY super pissed, because I was tired of playing his snake, and we start playing a game on PS1. I feel like there's no way I can win it, so I just try to uthrow Kirbycide. I mess up on it, then regrab and uthrow again. This was around 7:00 on the timer, so I kept on playing. I ultimately suicided on my last stock at about 5:06 to get the replay, when he was also on his last stock. Here's what I'm thinking: Could his DI have changed my uthrow's trajectory? I landed under the lip-like thing on the second uthrow. I don't know how it happened.

 

[Tiersie]

So how exactly did you regrab him?

 

[A1lion835]

So how exactly did you regrab him?

I upthrowed him, he bounced off the windmill and we went back to the very edge, where I regrabbed him.

 

[fromundaman]

It's been forever since anyone worked on this. It's been forever since someone cared. But I just found something.

I was just playing some wifail with my friend. He eventually chose snake, and kept on using him. I got EXTREMELY super pissed, because I was tired of playing his snake, and we start playing a game on PS1. I feel like there's no way I can win it, so I just try to uthrow Kirbycide. I mess up on it, then regrab and uthrow again. This was around 7:00 on the timer, so I kept on playing. I ultimately suicided on my last stock at about 5:06 to get the replay, when he was also on his last stock. Here's what I'm thinking: Could his DI have changed my uthrow's trajectory? I landed under the lip-like thing on the second uthrow. I don't know how it happened.

Ummm... I mentioned this exact same scenario in February... Yes, it is his DI. Some characters can have that happen if they DI right.

 

[A1lion835]

Ummm... I mentioned this exact same scenario in February... Yes, it is his DI. Some characters can have that happen if they DI right.

But...I don't see how his DI can affect how far my uthrow goes behind me.

 

[Asdioh]

yeah, I was just playing Jenkins' Fox in friendlies, and I was Kirby on PS1. I tried to do a double suicide last stock for the lols, but instead I spiked him and he died. It made me lol really hard.

I have the replay if you want to see it.

I told him it could have been his DI. *shrug*

So many people still don't know about this though. I even killed him with the Stone Glitch on the tree first stock >_>
He was kinda inexperienced against Kirby

 

[A1lion835]

I still don't know why my first uthrow (the "normal" uthrow you do when you're on the edge of the stage...you land offstage and in midair right next to the stage, and it's hard to tell you were offstage) was different from my second uthrow (I "fell" below the second-edge-thing before ending the throw). DI doesn't seem like it would've affected that...

 

[Lord Viper]

☆ I somehow almost Ninja Spiked Kirby on Pokemon Stadium (Melee) on the windmill part, but it turns out that he can fly right back to the stage if his percent isn't high enough. I'll try to see if F-Throw on some stages and see if it works.... I wish Smashville had a Ninja Spike, but his U-Throw in mid air would just crash like the platform is there. )= ☆

 

[fromundaman]

Because if they DI down and towards the stage, they can go under the lip.

 

[A1lion835]

Mkay. I was testing this against a snake in training who was on control. No input from his end. I NS'd him on the water transformation. I think that I "landed" on the windmill...but it wasn't at a suitable angle to land on, so I sort of slid off of it and NS'd him.

 

[MJG]

Wow...good find...

*Kirby for god tier*

 

[Lovely]

This makes me want Sky World to be on the legal list again. Seriously, this stage is pretty much ban everywhere. );

 

[Kappy]

So, I know this hasn't been updated in forever, and this may already be known, but after reading through this a while ago I went NS crazy and began testing the PS1 Water Stage NS, and since it hasn't been posted here in detail and since I've finished, I may as well post it...

So far, there are three situations I've found.

Situation #1: DS, or Double Suicide. In this situation, Kirby and his opponent die. No questions asked. This works on every character if pulled off right. I'll write up a description how later - I haven't really gone back and did NS testing in a while, but there was a certain time to do it.

Situation#2: A NS. In this situation, Kirby lands in mid-air and the opponent is ninja-spiked. The timing is more precise, and if done correctly, it's pretty much guaranteed. Other times, the opponent will fly up, hit the lip, and go back down, giving some a chance to recover. Again, I'll write up how (and I'll provide a diagram) once I rediscover the timing.

((NOTE: The opponent can DI out of hitting the lip, but it's difficult to do. The opponent canNOT DI out if you pull it off correctly, but again, it's very difficult and so DI is usually applicable)).

Situation #3: Fail. In this situation, everything happens for situation #2, but instead of being under the lip, Kirby may land as if there was no windmill to alter his UThrow, or go too far to the left for the opponent to hit the lip (without DI) and fall onto the stage. This is, thankfully, the rarest of the three situations. I'll get a diagram of this one up when I put up all the other ones.

((NOTE: The opponent can DI this and NS him/herself, but that's really, really rare.))

I hope this helps shed some light on PS1's Water Stage NS. It makes PS1 my favorite stage, to be honest <3.

I'll also get some video footage for you guys! Hopefully soon!

...Oh! And one more thing.

Regarding Lucario, I found that he can't be NS'ed if Kirby is at the very edge of the stage. It perplexed me, so I did a little experimenting. What I did find is that if Kirby stands a tad away from the edge, the NS is guaranteed.

Maybe it was just me, but I'll get a video of that, too, if you guys want it. XD

 

[T1MMY]

Thanks for posting the info, gamemasterdevil. I've had it happen to me that Lucario was not Ninja Spiked when I thought he should have been, and it's due to the distancing as you mentioned.

Videos would be a great addition for the front page of this thread.